Even the socially proofed guys down town are orbiters.

[RichardTheFrog]

I went down town yesterday. There were 2 guys with large muscles that the bartenders were all talking to. I had seen them in there before and remember one of them saying he was ex-military (*yawn). So I assumed they were the girls boyfriends and I was getting angry because I thought I was better than them.

But as it turns out, after eavesdropping and watching the girls leave, they were just friends and orbiters.

For a brief moment, I thought they were the elusive alpha male that is so often talked about but rarely seen. I am beginning to realize that THESE ALPHA MALES DON'T EXIST!!!!!

The girls always have the power in today's dating world.

It sucks and it's unfair, but it's true.

This is another reason why I want as much money as possible so I can at least attempt to have some power.

Even millionaires get used and cucked. Even celebrities get used for their resources.

I am beginning to think there is no real way to win.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

'Friends' could also mean friends with benefits by the way. I've had some dudes tell me how he and his ex are just friends now, but then later on he tells me that they're still fvcking even though they aren't even together lol. This really doesn't matter. So who gives a ****? Don't care so much about it. And don't be deluded either, those guys had more value than you did so don't think that you're better than them like you said. That's really ignorant. They were at least talking to the girls.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

'Friends' could also mean friends with benefits by the way. I've had some dudes tell me how he and his ex are just friends now, but then later on he tells me that they're still fvcking even though they aren't even together lol. It really doesn't matter.

I didn't get that impression, but I suppose there's really no way I could know.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I went down town yesterday. There were 2 guys with large muscles that the bartenders were all talking to. I had seen them in there before and remember one of them saying he was ex-military (*yawn). So I assumed they were the girls boyfriends and I was getting angry because I thought I was better than them.

But as it turns out, after eavesdropping and watching the girls leave, they were just friends and orbiters.

For a brief moment, I thought they were the elusive alpha male that is so often talked about but rarely seen. I am beginning to realize that THESE ALPHA MALES DON'T EXIST!!!!!

The girls always have the power in today's dating world.

It sucks and it's unfair, but it's true.

This is another reason why I want as much money as possible so I can at least attempt to have some power.

Even millionaires get used and cucked. Even celebrities get used for their resources.

I am beginning to think there is no real way to win.

You can still have rules and a way you do things that keep you from getting caught up. And only deal with females who are really interested in you (IE: they will chase, and reciprocate interest)

 

[zekko]

The girls always have the power in today's dating world.

Not always. If a girl gets hung up on a guy, she gets stuck in the chasing role. That doesn't happen as often as the reverse, but it happens.

I went down town yesterday. There were 2 guys with large muscles that the bartenders were all talking to. I had seen them in there before and remember one of them saying he was ex-military (*yawn). So I assumed they were the girls boyfriends and I was getting angry because I thought I was better than them.

It's interesting that you thought you were better than these two muscular ex-military guys, when you've sought validation here about your looks, and talked about your personality being crap. I wonder on what basis you think you you were better than them? I think that men are just programmed to think they are the best guy in the room, whether it's true or not.

I remember when I was a young lad, when I had no confidence, and before I had built my value. Still, there was a part of me that was always thinking I was better than the guys around me. Of course, the girls didn't always see it that way lol.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Not always. If a girl gets hung up on a guy, she gets stuck in the chasing role. That doesn't happen as often as the reverse, but it happens.


It's interesting that you thought you were better than these two muscular ex-military guys, when you've sought validation here about your looks, and talked about your personality being crap. I wonder on what basis you think you you were better than them? I think that men are just programmed to think they are the best guy in the room, whether it's true or not.

I remember when I was a young lad, when I had no confidence, and before I had built my value. Still, there was a part of me that was always thinking I was better than the guys around me. Of course, the girls didn't always see it that way lol.

Because I've broken my neck, broken my back, recovered from a spinal cord injury. I've lived for months homeless on the streets. I've survived 4 years in prison with no fear.

Military guys don't even see danger 99% of the time. They sit on a base.

It is VERY frustrating that after everything I've persevered through, I get no credit from females. My SMV should be a 1,000,000. I'm also smart as **** and hopefully soon to be rich.

Girls are so STUPID and inexperienced in the world that they don't know what anything is and aren't competent judges in the first place.

Girls should worship the ground I walk on, but they don't. They treat me like nothing.

So my point in posting asking about my looks is to try to figure out this stupid ****ing game that these idiotic females are forcing me to play.

In truth, I should be able to go out dressed in sweatpants and a mustard stained shirt and girls should fight each other and pay me for me to even give them the time of day.

Girls are WORTH NOTHING and this whole dating game bull**** society we live in is bull****.

Just for example, tell a girl you were in the military. She will be impressed.

Tell a girl you had a spinal cord injury and spent almost a year relearning how to do every basic function of life. She won't give a **** because she's ****ing stupid.

These girls aren't even worth my breath, yet they all put themselves on a pedestal and force me to "impress" them.

 

[Tenacity]

I went down town yesterday. There were 2 guys with large muscles that the bartenders were all talking to. I had seen them in there before and remember one of them saying he was ex-military (*yawn). So I assumed they were the girls boyfriends and I was getting angry because I thought I was better than them.

But as it turns out, after eavesdropping and watching the girls leave, they were just friends and orbiters.

For a brief moment, I thought they were the elusive alpha male that is so often talked about but rarely seen. I am beginning to realize that THESE ALPHA MALES DON'T EXIST!!!!!

The girls always have the power in today's dating world.

It sucks and it's unfair, but it's true.

This is another reason why I want as much money as possible so I can at least attempt to have some power.

Even millionaires get used and cucked. Even celebrities get used for their resources.

I am beginning to think there is no real way to win.

Well, you can either listen to my "theories" on the market, based on the actual evidence, pics, and other proof I've posted of myself........or you can listen to the "theories" of guys on this board that have never posted any pics.

My theory is still the same....it's:

- That there's no such thing as an Alpha Male, Beta Male, or any of the sort. All you have is an informed Male (red pill) and an uninformed Male (blue pill), based on the amount of information they have on today's dating market along with the Family Court situations. You can very well have an attractive blue pill guy and an unattractive red pill guy, I would even venture to say that MAJORITY of attractive guys are blue pill.

- That the market has changed and that 99% of women are NOT LTR material. Now, you can still do an LTR, but expect to have to learn how to "handle" a lot of bullshyt from the woman.

- However, even though the LTR market is destroyed, the one night stand/dating/short term relations market is BOOMING right now if you are guy that's attractive (with good looks, personality, and finances).

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Because I've broken my neck, broken my back, recovered from a spinal cord injury. I've lived for months homeless on the streets. I've survived 4 years in prison with no fear.

Military guys don't even see danger 99% of the time. They sit on a base.

It is VERY frustrating that after everything I've persevered through, I get no credit from females. My SMV should be a 1,000,000. I'm also smart as **** and hopefully soon to be rich.

Girls are so STUPID and inexperienced in the world that they don't know what anything is and aren't competent judges in the first place.

Girls should worship the ground I walk on, but they don't. They treat me like nothing.

So my point in posting asking about my looks is to try to figure out this stupid ****ing game that these idiotic females are forcing me to play.

In truth, I should be able to go out dressed in sweatpants and a mustard stained shirt and girls should fight each other and pay me for me to even give them the time of day.

Girls are WORTH NOTHING and this whole dating game bull**** society we live in is bull****.

Just for example, tell a girl you were in the military. She will be impressed.

Tell a girl you had a spinal cord injury and spent almost a year relearning how to do every basic function of life. She won't give a **** because she's ****ing stupid.

These girls aren't even worth my breath, yet they all put themselves on a pedestal and force me to "impress" them.

But hey guess what? THEY aren't the ones that fvcked up. THEY aren't the ones that went to prison. THEY aren't the ones that messed up their neck and neck. No one is gonna give you a standing ovation so just deal with it. The reason why you think the way that you do is because you actually AREN'T ****. Once you actually gain value and become a high value man, then you start having respect for people because oh realize how far you've come. It doesn't matter how hard you've had to work or how bad it you had it before. What matters is how high up you are. Let's face it, the only reason you learned how to walk again and function normally was because you HAD to. If you didn't feel that you really had to, then you wouldn't. That's why it's not special. Getting injured sucks and so does going to prison. But you are the one who placed yourself in a crappy situation. No one wants to be worshipping the feet of ex-con acidhead, that sounds ridiculous. You don't even hear yourself. And you think you deserve celebrity level women? Well here's some reality for you.

 

[SuckItUp]

I'm going to let you in on a little secret. You can't just be alpha. Either you are born with alpha traits or you aren't. People hate to hear things like this because it crushes the idea that "one can overcome" anything with effort hard work etc.

I'm not saying this to depress you or deflate you. I'm saying this because in order to change your lot, you need to first remove the idea that a woman's interest corollates to how good or bad of man the guy is.

You also need to remove judgment of other men's value in relation to women or attraction.

Instead of judging a guy and why he might or might not deserve a particular woman, use that energy to see what is he doing with his interactions and how does she react.

Being successful with women has little to do with effort. In fact the more effort you put in the more you tend to fail.

I know its silly but think about Luke Skywalker in Empire Strikes Back. He's a whiny pissant who looks like he's about to have aneurysm trying to use the force. Contrast that with Luke Skywalker in Return of the Jedi. He's in control of his emotions, he's a man with a plan, and his ability with the force comes naturally.

The key is figuring out how to go from Empire Strikes Back version of Luke to the Return of the Jedi Luke.

And no you can't turn into Han unless you were Han to begin with as Han Solo is an Alpha male from start to finish.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I'm going to let you in on a little secret. You can't just be alpha. Either you are born with alpha traits or you aren't. People hate to hear things like this because it crushes the idea that "one can overcome" anything with effort hard work etc.

I'm not saying this to depress you or deflate you. I'm saying this because in order to change your lot, you need to first remove the idea that a woman's interest corollates to how good or bad of man the guy is.

You also need to remove judgment of other men's value in relation to women or attraction.

Instead of judging a guy and why he might or might not deserve a particular woman, use that energy to see what is he doing with his interactions and how does she react.

Being successful with women has little to do with effort. In fact the more effort you put in the more you tend to fail.

I know its silly but think about Luke Skywalker in Empire Strikes Back. He's a whiny pissant who looks like he's about to have aneurysm trying to use the force. Contrast that with Luke Skywalker in Return of the Jedi. He's in control of his emotions, he's a man with a plan, and his ability with the force comes naturally.

The key is figuring out how to go from Empire Strikes Back version of Luke to the Return of the Jedi Luke.

And no you can't turn into Han unless you were Han to begin with as Han Solo is an Alpha male from start to finish.

Luke is 1000x more impressive than Han Solo. I believe they had to rescue Han's stupid ass from carbonite.

The thing with me is... I get basically NO attention most of the times when I go out, and often outright disrespected. But the truth is that I've had so much ***** that I find it boring. Most of them I paid for, but I've also had gf's and having sex got boring pretty quickly. You can only do the same thing so many times before the novelty wears off. This is why I don't understand guys like Neil who still seem to be a slave to vagina at the age of 46.

But how can you say it can't be learned and then say that Luke learned it? Aren't you contradicting yourself?

 

[SuckItUp]

Luke is 1000x more impressive than Han Solo. I believe they had to rescue Han's stupid ass from carbonite.

The thing with me is... I get basically NO attention most of the times when I go out, and often outright disrespected. But the truth is that I've had so much ***** that I find it boring. Most of them I paid for, but I've also had gf's and having sex got boring pretty quickly. You can only do the same thing so many times before the novelty wears off. This is why I don't understand guys like Neil who still seem to be a slave to vagina at the age of 46.

But how can you say it can't be learned and then say that Luke learned it? Aren't you contradicting yourself?

No, Han is always the Alpha. Luke is the guy who went from a whiny ***** to being a man.

Most here would call Han a natural. Luke rectified his beta tendencies but he's not a natural and can never be. He's simply taken what he is given and maximized it.

An reformed beta will almost always struggle in the presence of a true Alpha.