ESP numbers test

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Originally posted by Derek Flint


And if you read Sytle's book, you'll know that running game and routines didn't get him what he wanted.

Ask yourself - do you want to become a PUA, or a DJ?

Uhhh, ya it did. Maybe you should go back and read the book. He never would have met his wife if it wasn't for the "tricks" and "crutches" he learned from picking up women and learning from Mystery and co.


(PUA + DJ) > DJ

Figure out what that formula means, and maybe you'll stop being so anti-"PUA".
 

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if running routines will get me laid then that's what I’ll do.
 

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Originally posted by Derek Flint
False argument.

Regardless, the point is that depending on routines will keep you from progressing.

Yes, Mystery and TD use routines.

But reading Style's book, neither are guys I want to emulate.

Mystery has trouble keeping relationships, and TD is not only a weasel, but apparantly not much of a PUA either.

And if you read Sytle's book, you'll know that running game and routines didn't get him what he wanted.

Ask yourself - do you want to become a PUA, or a DJ?

Anyone can learn and run routines.
That is a false arguement aswell.

You aren't emulating Tyler Durden and Mystery's life style, just their game. The fact that Mystery has trouble keeping relationships, and TD is a weasel is not CAUSED because of using routines or their game in general.

Using routines does not mean those things will happen to you, and thinking by emulating their game style you become like them in every aspect isn't logical.

I'm pretty sure Style did get what he wanted by running game.
 

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Routines, readings, handwriting analysis, the cube...all that crap is a crutch and is no substitute for doing what it takes to develop oneself into becoming the type of person that women will naturally gravitate towards.

Real game vs. flash game.

Being a man vs. being an entertainment monkey.

You make the call.
 

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Using routines doesn't fit into my style, but they are excellent crutches, I seek crutches for many occasions, but I know that there is no crutch for every occasion... that is why I seek techniques

I am surprised at some of the guys who flcok to mystery for his techniues only, his teachings are great, but it is the subtelties that truly make a man.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Ok loosers, a real one:

I want you to think of a number from 1 to 10.

I want you to multiply it by 9

Then, I want you to add the 2 digits in the number you got, ok? Lets say you got 11.. you add one plus one.

I want you to think of a animal, living, real one, that has the number of the letter of that number you have:

Example.. you got 3... that means it is a-1 b-2 c-3... You think of an animal that starts with C.. a living one, real... Let's say.. ummm... Cangaroo? I know it's with a C.. I don't give a ****.

Then, I want you to subtract to that number you got, 5. The number you have minus 5. And think of a country that starts with the letter of the number of the number you have. Let's say again.. C its a1 b2 c3.. You have 3 so it's C. China.





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You chose Denmark and Iguana. ****er.
 

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Originally posted by Derek Flint
Routines, readings, handwriting analysis, the cube...all that crap is a crutch and is no substitute for doing what it takes to develop oneself into becoming the type of person that women will naturally gravitate towards.

Real game vs. flash game.

Being a man vs. being an entertainment monkey.

You make the call.
You must not know or use any of them. These are props that when used the right way, allow you to make a connection with someone faster, but when not used right, just like any line people use here, will just be asking for trouble.

The hard thing is not approaching someone, anyone can do that, doesn't take long. The challenge is opening up, then creating a connection, where you are displaying value, and where you walking away will make her feel like she's loosing out on something. And it is not because she needs the performing monkey, it is because she wants to connect with the guy who really is displaying multiple attractive qualities. That is the right way to use these skills. Not everyone can learn these skills very well, and incorporate game very well, where they are actually displaying other alpha traits along the way, and therefore creating attraction.

Believe me, if learned well, and incorporated with your strong personality and solid game, these props will be very powerful. Most in here are lookin' for the quick technique, and/or line, so these props will do what you described, but not for the man who knows what he's doing. So, just like anything else, they just supplement what you already got going, not replace.

And btw, what is being a man? There's a lot that goes into that. Being a man is not "not using props/routines." Your statement sounds like similar ones we've heard,

"I just want to be natural/myself", translation "I don't want to have to do anything new yet still expect to get different results."

"Money isn't everything. Being rich is not important", usually comes from people who don't have money and never will.
 

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Great discussion guys!

Just wanted to add a point about following routines and using props to your advantage.

"Monkey see, Monkey do"
"Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. "Teach a man to fish, and he will never starve"
What your doing in giving people random techniques, one liners, and props... is making them dance. Telling them these are examples, they begin to catch on that there is more. I wish somebody would teach me how to create new routines at the drop of a hat, new jokes, new props, I guess I've got to sarge the idea a few times before I can even fathom it... or my brain will explode.

Using a routine, to its fullest is key, don't supplicate to somebody by giving it to them on a silver platter, you must tease them with your technique, it's not the whole game, its just part of the package of course. You pull off the ESP test while making a new friend and looking for a lover, it's pretty damned simple. You get to hold her hand, stare deeply into her eyes, you make yourself appear fun, but it is only an experiment if you don't have what mystery calls congruency. It is not part of you, when you use it as a gimmick, it will only come off to the girl as a ruse to get in her pants, if she notices that it is all you have, she will back off since she doesn't want to appear easy. If you do have the whole package, you can use a routine any time, pick up a new routine, you could spin it back to the next person who crosses your path. Also if you have the whole package, and she blows off your technique, than you were overcompensating something, your body language probably got less astounding, your eyes closed, you start to blush, stuttering, freezing, all that bad stuff.

So in all, a technique is not a "crutch" it is just something you do for fun, like laughing, petting your dog, or juggling darts while tight rope walking over a volcano. It is a show of your mind, to show you are healthy, to prove you are unique.

If you don't put something of your own, into everything you do and learn you will gain nothing! So When I visualized(way is cool) doing the ESP test after the first time I heard it, I pretended to be the girls mind, I was saying the test to myself, and I didn't enjoy the way the words formed in my head, so I said repeat the word "over and over and over again in your mind" than I would think of a deep glare and pause and snap back to attention! "I didn't say stop, I can't see the number yet, if she is playful and open(of course I opened her so I know I can talk to her) I tap on her head "is this thing working?" than I blink my eyes "ahhhh yes, there it is, oh not quite" I played the recording over in my head a few times before I tried it out. Yeah I know, slow and boring, I hate it too, I need new thinking techniques to be on my feet in public, I have a slow wit, but I'm working on it(haha lying to myself am I?). So I'd imagine having to gauge her interest level before I reveal the number, and I remembered the reading her breathing speed, chicking her eyes for that glazed look, and listening for any negative voice inflections. Than I'd spring it on her. I really didn't think I'd get anything from the method, but I did, and I was happy, and carried on being myself again.

Always ups and downs, I knew this wasn't for me... so I threw in making her wait, and making her repeat the number faster and faster in her mind... it got me pretty hot for me, so I showed that when I talked tot he girls... I did my best, and succeeded, still the thought of ESP was the lie, and without sufficient proof to be able to tell her I'm lying through my teeth, I never used the technique again.
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Just a quick note to self as well for you to ponder.

Some people like to be corrected to learn their problems, some people like people to hold their hand, others enjoy group discussion, some enjoy the diary perspective and learning from their own thoughts, some just never learn. Give up on the guys who just won't learn guys, learn to see key words, or train them to stop being dumbasses and to talk to you respectfully.... IE Don't give the troll food, especially if he's not going to eat it.

So Gangsta, accept that he doesn't like "routnies, readins, handwriting analysis, the cube...all that crap"and than ream him for it, get his blood boiling, rrught until he gives up and says OKAY, I'll TRY!!! Your job is than done, you were compassionate, and he learned something while you were having fun...

Nice calm discussion though. Tr and convince me to use them next time though... I want encouragement, in one way or another... you were just making statements similar to what every body else is saying ad verbatim. Make me want to create routines I enjoy on my own, something that will be real game, not flash game. Prove me wrong, to make me right, I don't want to be boring and bland anymore.
 

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Guys, it isn't about who has already read The Game. You could pull the Numbers game and then they could read about it later and know where you got it. That wouldn't be good in an LTR.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Does inner game cover everything? I have successfully programmed new techniques in my mind, I can esp, numbers, palm read, massage, all this fancy stuff and have fun doing it... I just can't create new techniques... I'm sure method's lounge offers new techniques that the guys have learned to create at the drop of a hat. There ya go, drop your hat, and do a mexican la '****roach' dance around it for kicks... just a little something...

Why are people bashing techniques, if they can't teach people to have fun?

I saw the ESP techniques thing about 4 years before "The game" came out... it was on EBaums world. There are other mind tricks that you can learn and play all of the time... magicians are popping out of the woodworks every day now...

I am amazed people on sosuave of all places are discrediting possible enhancements to the style. Or I can't believe they are being so audacious to lie in front of everybody with a totally straight face and expect positive feedback... One or the other are both awful awful things to do.
 
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