Escalating: no means no?

[sanoj]

Lately i've been having so much success with attracting women. I didnt know I had it in me. With a playful mindset, a smile, a confident face and body-language, I have women approaching me now. All thanks to this forum.

On more than one occation I've been finding myself in the position that I have met a girl for the first time,isolating us, been kissing her and feeling that she is really attracted to me, but not getting to have sex with her.

Knowing that she is attracted to me, I can only think of two reasons she wont have sex with me.

1. She don't want to give it all away, since we just met the same day
2. She got the period

The question is.. that how much/how many times should I try to escalate to sex, even though I get these signals that she really should'nt?


When I got alcohol in me and partying I often get in this caveman mode. I "don't give a ****" and I "do and touch whatever I want". I like this mode and I can sense that women are attracted to this.

So when I'm making out with a girl I listen only to myself and my hand is naturally grabbing and feeling her breasts. She would then "say no" in the way of gently removing my hand.

So lets say that I've been grabbing her breast 5 times and gently trying to take of her top off 1 time..

Is that too much and will kill a little bit of the attraction between me and her, or does she find it sexy with a man that follows his own nature and his sexuality?

You're not supposed to stop escalating at the first sign of "no" when you know she is really attracted to you, right?

 

[xdreamz]

just make it seem like u were jk if she said no u dont want to make it awkward ... work on putting her in that mood when making out with her..sensualize it...take it slow.

 

[Kal0051]

he's not saying that she said no, she just moved his hand. But I agree that the caveman approach is powerful, girls might say they hate it but as long as they are attracted to you a bit they will actually love it.

 

[CaptainJ]

Lately i've been having so much success with attracting women. I didnt know I had it in me. With a playful mindset, a smile, a confident face and body-language, I have women approaching me now. All thanks to this forum.

On more than one occation I've been finding myself in the position that I have met a girl for the first time,isolating us, been kissing her and feeling that she is really attracted to me, but not getting to have sex with her.

Knowing that she is attracted to me, I can only think of two reasons she wont have sex with me.

1. She don't want to give it all away, since we just met the same day
2. She got the period

The question is.. that how much/how many times should I try to escalate to sex, even though I get these signals that she really should'nt?


When I got alcohol in me and partying I often get in this caveman mode. I "don't give a ****" and I "do and touch whatever I want". I like this mode and I can sense that women are attracted to this.

So when I'm making out with a girl I listen only to myself and my hand is naturally grabbing and feeling her breasts. She would then "say no" in the way of gently removing my hand.

So lets say that I've been grabbing her breast 5 times and gently trying to take of her top off 1 time..

Is that too much and will kill a little bit of the attraction between me and her, or does she find it sexy with a man that follows his own nature and his sexuality?

You're not supposed to stop escalating at the first sign of "no" when you know she is really attracted to you, right?

Mystery has a very good technique to deal with this exact problem. Next time you are escalating, and she says no, what you do is lean back and in a reasonable tone say "I understand" and get up and turn on the light and move to another room to watch T.V. You've got to do this in a non bitter mood, just simply an "understanding" tone. She will be confused, dislike the loss of the good feeling she was having from the make out.

She'll then ask you why you went away, and you just go "Don't worry, I understand. If you don't want to have sex, we won't have sex" and continue watching T.V. If she asks you to come back, then you go back with her, turn off the light and start escalating again. If she says "No" again, then get up, turn on the light, go next door "I understand, it's ok", rinse and repeat.

She will be divided between losing the great feeling of making out and having sex, in which eventually she will submit and let you escalate.

 

[horaholic]

Yeah, look up Mystery's, 'freeze outs.' You have to do it nonchalant. Act like you really dont care if you have sex or not, and you're just happy to be with her. BUT... you start doing your own thing, like checking your email, or doing your dishes, or whatever, essentially, making her feel uncomfortable, and miss your immediate presence. Wait about five minutes, then start getting on her again. If you get more resistance, do it again, except for longer, like ten minutes. The key is indifference. You have to act like its totally OK. Tyr to mind MM's video or something. It explains it better.

 

[horaholic]

double post, stupid computer!

 

[Kevin Feng]

As you've indicated in your post, I find that cavemanning is probably the most effective escalation technique, it conveys your dominance, sexuality, and alpha-ness.

In regards to "no meaning no", I think the most important thing to gather from here, is that you can't just rape a girl. Honestly, after being in pick up, rape is a pretty grey area in general. women have rape fantasies and want their man to be in control and it's a huge turn on for women to have a man cave-man her. If you've read sex god method, this is actually very powerful.

Anyway, good rule of thumb, if she vehemently says no and she's getting visibly upset, that's when I'd probably throw in the towel, if she just gives you a nonchanalant no, keep pushing. push until it's inappropriate, I find that to be the best balance.

-Kevin

 

[EvilAgenda]

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