thunder_god
Master Don Juan
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So after been spending the last couple months on this forum and reading countless articles, talking to several members here and asking for advice, I have decided to start a journal on my journey to become much much better with women with the long term goal of getting a girlfriend and hopefully having a LTR with them and also improving myself as a whole.
A little background on my history with women and the turning point for me to decide enough is enough.
Highschool years: In my senior year of highschool, I met a cute korean girl in my accounting and calculas class. I was absolutely terrible with women back then, not that I'm that much better nowadays with women either. I was absolutely nervous around her and I didn't have the guts to talk to her until like 2 months later into the semester. Boy was that a relieve I thought. At that time, I though becoming friends with women was the best strategy. I thought oh maybe if I be nice to her and all and help her with everything, she would eventually like me and stuff. I remember one day I went up to her and asked her for her email address (facepalm) and when she gave it to me I was super happy. I eventually got the courage to ask her out to lunch or something and guess what, she just laughed in my face, but me being naive and all I still remained friends with her. I remember she wrote something in my yearbook that went along the lines of "your so nice and always there for me, thanks for much" or some crap like that. Well I guess you all know how that turned out. I eventually found out she had a bf. That stung me for the last few months of school I had left. I ended up having to repeat my senior year because my grades slipped up and I forgot to accept one of my university offers on time leading to them withdrawing there offer. I got over her during the summer but it completely turned me off of asian girls for some reason. What I probably should have done was hit on the other asian girl in my class who was showing me interest. She was also quite cute but I was so focused on this one particular girl that I missed out on that other girl. Instead of trying to learn from my failures with women, I chose to ignore it and instead turned all my anger and frustration to working out. Fast forward to university.
Undergrad: I studied computers and stuff so there weren't many females in my class. I started working out seriously around this time. I would hit the gym 2-3x a week lifting weeks and doing cardio. I began experimenting with different types of foods that I read about in fitness magazines. By my junior year I had gained a significant amount of muscle and people noticed and complemented me. In my junior year, I met a native american HB7 community college transfer student in my class. She was abit better looking then the previous korean girl I met and also a lot taller too. At first I wasn't nervous around her and we had a few quick 10-15 chit chats here and there, but then I noticed how cute she was and then I started to get nervous around her. Again, it took me like 2-3 months to get the courage to ask her name and really start talking to her. I remember, I used to try and come up with plans on how to sit close to her or beside her. Ya I know pathetic. Anyways I eventually got her msn and number. I used to hit her up on msn and chat to her all the time about random stuff. I wasn't being funny, flirty, or teasing at all. It was all generic crap like, how was classes today, how did you find the homework, etc, essentially all boring crap. I eventually got the nerves to ask her out the week before vday. I got rejected. After that, I noticed she started to turn distance and cold on me. At that time, I didn't know what to do and instead of backing off, I chased. I chased so much that she told me I didn't need to come with her whereever she was going, and I also had a gut feeling I was doing the wrong thing, but I didn't listen. Eventually she went totally cold and silence on me, and took me off of msn and facebook. I just started to research dating and seduction at the time and asking my beta friends for advice. I learnt all about teasing and being playful, but at that point it was too late. From her I learnt to never chase and appear needy and clingy and also to be playful and teasing. I eventually found the website sosuave from a friend of mine, but I gave up too early because I thought it was a waste of time and if I only focused on school and career, chicks would eventually come to me, instead of realizing the problem is not with girls but with me. Fast forward to community college.
Community College: I quit my job doing something in my major at college and instead tried to pursuing fitness because I really loved working out. I thought the program would be littered with hot girls since it was a fitness program afterall. Boy was I wrong, there were a few fat chicks in my class, some average looking girls, maybe 1-2 HB8's and that was it. The only plus side was I had a few really good looking instructors. Instead of chasing girls I decided to really focus on my studies. I befriended a few girls in my class. Previously I had no friends that were girls. There was one girl in my class who I got along particular well with, although I found her meh maybe a 5.5 in a good day and she had a bf so I knew nothing would happen between us. Me and her became good friends. Lets call her Girl A. To this day, me and girl A are still friends and I plan on visiting her soon. At this point in time, I stopped kissing up to women and instead was abit of an arrogant ass. I was called an ******* by her a few times, but it felt good in a strange way. I was alittle more playful this time around. In my second semester one russian girl HB6 who had a nice body but smoked, partied, and drank, and had a tattoo in my class started to notice me, due to my confidence and focus in school. She was getting all this attention from all the horny guys in my class, except me. It drove her wild. She was flirting with me like crazy, touching my shoulders, my arms, telling me I was her hero, etc. One time, she saw my arm exposed and I was like "your jacked, nice
". I had absolutely no interest in her due to heavy accent, her reputation of sleeping around, and her lifestyle. She eventually got the hint and dated someone else 1 yr later. I didn't really care because I wasn't interested in her at all. I kind of regret now at least for not casually dating her and stuff for practice because who would have known I would have desperately needed that practice a few years later down the line when I went to graduate school. Fast forward to university again.
Graduate school: So I figured the fitness field was not for me due to it being a lot of sales if your doing pt training and not being a stable career. I did a degree in exercise science and then returned back to complete my masters degree. This occurred in the fall of last year. There was quite a number of girls in my class. The ratio is something like 4:1 for girls to guys. Of course this being graduate school, a lot of the people were already in relationships or married. There were only a handful of girls in my class who were single and even then even far fewer that were attractive enough to date. By this point in time, I had developed confidence, learned how to tease and be playful, had a bit of an ******* vibe, didn't let girls looks affect me, and was somewhat comfortable asking girls out. I'm just going to give you the coles notes of what transpired these last couple of months. If you want to read it in detail, go read my previous early threads. I met a girl in the beginning of the program. I didn't think much about her and had my eyes set on another girl. Me and the girl got close, girl started showing signs she was interested. I didn't do enough right things to progress things forward. Eventually my inexperience and me developing oneitis for her caught up to me, girl lost interest and I ****ed up. I managed to get a little interest back after I backed away and started to act myself again and she started to act herself again, contacting me again and flirting with me, but then I got impatient and blew it with her again. Unlike the previous girls, the pain from this stung like a *****. It was the most intense pain I have ever felt before in my life. Anyways while I was so busy focused on this girl and getting mind ****ed, my grades suffered big time. I am on the verge of getting kicked outta my program right now, and they are holding a meeting to decide my fate this upcoming week. I managed to snap out of it during the last 2 weeks of school and really hammer at studying but who knows if its too late.
This experience these last few months really showed me that I lack serious game and neglected this part of my life big time. The first girl made me focus on my fitness and health. The second girl made me focus on my education and career aspirations. Finally the recent girl, made me focus on dating and relationships but also everything in my life as a whole from education, social network, health, and being a man. After this painful experience I just said enough is enough. As my buddies have showed me, I can't rely on anyone but myself to help myself.
I have since started to ask several girls in my class for there numbers and picked up 3-4 numbers. I went out to lunch with one of these girls although I suspect she has a bf, we had a good time, and she thanked me afterwards. I asked another girl out but kind of got rejected. I'll try again in a few weeks with her. I have been reading the forum posts, dating and seduction books religiously for the last few months everything ranging from corey wayne's how to be the 3% man, harry wilmington's no girls for you, robert greene's art of seduction, etc. I'm also trying to find ways of meeting new girls outside of school and going to as many social events as possible.
A little background on my history with women and the turning point for me to decide enough is enough.
Highschool years: In my senior year of highschool, I met a cute korean girl in my accounting and calculas class. I was absolutely terrible with women back then, not that I'm that much better nowadays with women either. I was absolutely nervous around her and I didn't have the guts to talk to her until like 2 months later into the semester. Boy was that a relieve I thought. At that time, I though becoming friends with women was the best strategy. I thought oh maybe if I be nice to her and all and help her with everything, she would eventually like me and stuff. I remember one day I went up to her and asked her for her email address (facepalm) and when she gave it to me I was super happy. I eventually got the courage to ask her out to lunch or something and guess what, she just laughed in my face, but me being naive and all I still remained friends with her. I remember she wrote something in my yearbook that went along the lines of "your so nice and always there for me, thanks for much" or some crap like that. Well I guess you all know how that turned out. I eventually found out she had a bf. That stung me for the last few months of school I had left. I ended up having to repeat my senior year because my grades slipped up and I forgot to accept one of my university offers on time leading to them withdrawing there offer. I got over her during the summer but it completely turned me off of asian girls for some reason. What I probably should have done was hit on the other asian girl in my class who was showing me interest. She was also quite cute but I was so focused on this one particular girl that I missed out on that other girl. Instead of trying to learn from my failures with women, I chose to ignore it and instead turned all my anger and frustration to working out. Fast forward to university.
Undergrad: I studied computers and stuff so there weren't many females in my class. I started working out seriously around this time. I would hit the gym 2-3x a week lifting weeks and doing cardio. I began experimenting with different types of foods that I read about in fitness magazines. By my junior year I had gained a significant amount of muscle and people noticed and complemented me. In my junior year, I met a native american HB7 community college transfer student in my class. She was abit better looking then the previous korean girl I met and also a lot taller too. At first I wasn't nervous around her and we had a few quick 10-15 chit chats here and there, but then I noticed how cute she was and then I started to get nervous around her. Again, it took me like 2-3 months to get the courage to ask her name and really start talking to her. I remember, I used to try and come up with plans on how to sit close to her or beside her. Ya I know pathetic. Anyways I eventually got her msn and number. I used to hit her up on msn and chat to her all the time about random stuff. I wasn't being funny, flirty, or teasing at all. It was all generic crap like, how was classes today, how did you find the homework, etc, essentially all boring crap. I eventually got the nerves to ask her out the week before vday. I got rejected. After that, I noticed she started to turn distance and cold on me. At that time, I didn't know what to do and instead of backing off, I chased. I chased so much that she told me I didn't need to come with her whereever she was going, and I also had a gut feeling I was doing the wrong thing, but I didn't listen. Eventually she went totally cold and silence on me, and took me off of msn and facebook. I just started to research dating and seduction at the time and asking my beta friends for advice. I learnt all about teasing and being playful, but at that point it was too late. From her I learnt to never chase and appear needy and clingy and also to be playful and teasing. I eventually found the website sosuave from a friend of mine, but I gave up too early because I thought it was a waste of time and if I only focused on school and career, chicks would eventually come to me, instead of realizing the problem is not with girls but with me. Fast forward to community college.
Community College: I quit my job doing something in my major at college and instead tried to pursuing fitness because I really loved working out. I thought the program would be littered with hot girls since it was a fitness program afterall. Boy was I wrong, there were a few fat chicks in my class, some average looking girls, maybe 1-2 HB8's and that was it. The only plus side was I had a few really good looking instructors. Instead of chasing girls I decided to really focus on my studies. I befriended a few girls in my class. Previously I had no friends that were girls. There was one girl in my class who I got along particular well with, although I found her meh maybe a 5.5 in a good day and she had a bf so I knew nothing would happen between us. Me and her became good friends. Lets call her Girl A. To this day, me and girl A are still friends and I plan on visiting her soon. At this point in time, I stopped kissing up to women and instead was abit of an arrogant ass. I was called an ******* by her a few times, but it felt good in a strange way. I was alittle more playful this time around. In my second semester one russian girl HB6 who had a nice body but smoked, partied, and drank, and had a tattoo in my class started to notice me, due to my confidence and focus in school. She was getting all this attention from all the horny guys in my class, except me. It drove her wild. She was flirting with me like crazy, touching my shoulders, my arms, telling me I was her hero, etc. One time, she saw my arm exposed and I was like "your jacked, nice
". I had absolutely no interest in her due to heavy accent, her reputation of sleeping around, and her lifestyle. She eventually got the hint and dated someone else 1 yr later. I didn't really care because I wasn't interested in her at all. I kind of regret now at least for not casually dating her and stuff for practice because who would have known I would have desperately needed that practice a few years later down the line when I went to graduate school. Fast forward to university again. Graduate school: So I figured the fitness field was not for me due to it being a lot of sales if your doing pt training and not being a stable career. I did a degree in exercise science and then returned back to complete my masters degree. This occurred in the fall of last year. There was quite a number of girls in my class. The ratio is something like 4:1 for girls to guys. Of course this being graduate school, a lot of the people were already in relationships or married. There were only a handful of girls in my class who were single and even then even far fewer that were attractive enough to date. By this point in time, I had developed confidence, learned how to tease and be playful, had a bit of an ******* vibe, didn't let girls looks affect me, and was somewhat comfortable asking girls out. I'm just going to give you the coles notes of what transpired these last couple of months. If you want to read it in detail, go read my previous early threads. I met a girl in the beginning of the program. I didn't think much about her and had my eyes set on another girl. Me and the girl got close, girl started showing signs she was interested. I didn't do enough right things to progress things forward. Eventually my inexperience and me developing oneitis for her caught up to me, girl lost interest and I ****ed up. I managed to get a little interest back after I backed away and started to act myself again and she started to act herself again, contacting me again and flirting with me, but then I got impatient and blew it with her again. Unlike the previous girls, the pain from this stung like a *****. It was the most intense pain I have ever felt before in my life. Anyways while I was so busy focused on this girl and getting mind ****ed, my grades suffered big time. I am on the verge of getting kicked outta my program right now, and they are holding a meeting to decide my fate this upcoming week. I managed to snap out of it during the last 2 weeks of school and really hammer at studying but who knows if its too late.
This experience these last few months really showed me that I lack serious game and neglected this part of my life big time. The first girl made me focus on my fitness and health. The second girl made me focus on my education and career aspirations. Finally the recent girl, made me focus on dating and relationships but also everything in my life as a whole from education, social network, health, and being a man. After this painful experience I just said enough is enough. As my buddies have showed me, I can't rely on anyone but myself to help myself.
I have since started to ask several girls in my class for there numbers and picked up 3-4 numbers. I went out to lunch with one of these girls although I suspect she has a bf, we had a good time, and she thanked me afterwards. I asked another girl out but kind of got rejected. I'll try again in a few weeks with her. I have been reading the forum posts, dating and seduction books religiously for the last few months everything ranging from corey wayne's how to be the 3% man, harry wilmington's no girls for you, robert greene's art of seduction, etc. I'm also trying to find ways of meeting new girls outside of school and going to as many social events as possible.
