Engagement Rings - BULLSHYT

[jonwon]

We also need to remember women love diamonds.

A women would love a diamond ring, it's just how it is, we can blame marketing e.t.c. or look for the route of the problem, or we can simply accept women love diamonds and they love a diamond ring.

With that in mind, would I buy my girl a diamond ring?

Yes I would.

Why?

Because she is a great girl - If I had the money i'd buy her it, not to keep her happy, because simply I know she would love the gift and in that I know she will wear it with pride. Much like her going out to buy me an expensive watch.

I have no problems, buying the right girl things, it's the wrong girls I have a problem with.

When you find a decent chick, a girl who is a giver, a girl who worships the ground you walk on, trivial things like the value of a diamond ring is none existant, because she wouldn't bankrupt you in the first place for one, she would like one, but she isn't going to judge you less if you don't buy her one - thats the difference to actually being motivated to buy the ring for a girl, than not.

But it wouldn't be an engagment ring, it would simply be a diamond ring - I wont be getting married so if she wants to tell her friends it's an engagment ring, so be it, she will be telling them that line till the very end - And I have zero problems telling her that, but still they love the diamond rings - it's rare to meet one who doesn't. - This is not a barganing chip, like most guys use it for.

 

[Teflon_Mcgee]

We also need to remember women love diamonds.

A women would love a diamond ring, it's just how it is, we can blame marketing e.t.c. or look for the route of the problem, or we can simply accept women love diamonds and they love a diamond ring.

With that in mind, would I buy my girl a diamond ring?

Yes I would.

Why?

Because she is a great girl - If I had the money i'd buy her it, not to keep her happy, because simply I know she would love the gift and in that I know she will wear it with pride. Much like her going out to buy me an expensive watch.

I have no problems, buying the right girl things, it's the wrong girls I have a problem with.

When you find a decent chick, a girl who is a giver, a girl who worships the ground you walk on, trivial things like the value of a diamond ring is none existant, because she wouldn't bankrupt you in the first place for one, she would like one, but she isn't going to judge you less if you don't buy her one - thats the difference to actually being motivated to buy the ring for a girl, than not.

But it wouldn't be an engagment ring, it would simply be a diamond ring - I wont be getting married so if she wants to tell her friends it's an engagment ring, so be it, she will be telling them that line till the very end - And I have zero problems telling her that, but still they love the diamond rings - it's rare to meet one who doesn't. - This is not a barganing chip, like most guys use it for.

Repped 1+.

I'm not going to get into this thread other than saying if you don't want to buy your girl a ring then don't.

But if you do want to buy your girl a ring then there's nothing wrong with it as long as you are doing it for the right reasons with right frame.

 

[Trader]

We also need to remember women love diamonds.

A women would love a diamond ring, it's just how it is, we can blame marketing e.t.c. or look for the route of the problem, or we can simply accept women love diamonds and they love a diamond ring.

With that in mind, would I buy my girl a diamond ring?

Yes I would.

Why?

Because she is a great girl - If I had the money i'd buy her it, not to keep her happy, because simply I know she would love the gift and in that I know she will wear it with pride. Much like her going out to buy me an expensive watch.

I have no problems, buying the right girl things, it's the wrong girls I have a problem with.

When you find a decent chick, a girl who is a giver, a girl who worships the ground you walk on, trivial things like the value of a diamond ring is none existant, because she wouldn't bankrupt you in the first place for one, she would like one, but she isn't going to judge you less if you don't buy her one - thats the difference to actually being motivated to buy the ring for a girl, than not.

But it wouldn't be an engagment ring, it would simply be a diamond ring - I wont be getting married so if she wants to tell her friends it's an engagment ring, so be it, she will be telling them that line till the very end - And I have zero problems telling her that, but still they love the diamond rings - it's rare to meet one who doesn't. - This is not a barganing chip, like most guys use it for.

Yes - the key is to give because YOU want to, not because De Beers, or Hallmark says you should.

Give only when the girl deserves it.

Always stay true to yourself. I honestly am sick of De Beers and their diamond cartel so I will be staying away from diamonds. But that's just me.

 

[Colossus]

Lol, fair enough. Preference for the provisionally-apt will never change, I suppose.

I guess my point was some women would be happy with something simple and inexpensive as a symbol of your commitment. I HAVE met (and dated) girls who care nothing about rings, much less marriage---and I believe as long as they were being provided with a good home and lifestyle they wouldn't care too much about having big sparkling diamonds.

The diamond thing is largely a western norm, and frankly if a girl expects that she can pack her bags and hop on the NEXT Express. There are plenty of chumps who will waste months of salary to give her a useless rock.

 

[Trader]

Colossus--I love your posts...but, respectfully, finding a woman who isn't into material stuff is like trying to clap with one hand.

Very vague statement, well yes all girls are into material things. But to what degree my friend.

The most attractive women love men who make money--lots of money. It's in her biology (my opinion): from the caveman days...women were most attracted to the men carrying the biggest slab of meat over their shoulder...and why wouldn't she be attracted to the caveman with the most skills? He ensured her basic survival: food and shelter. And in return, she fulfilled his need for sex--lots of sex.

Your analogy is not that relevant. Back in the caveman days, survival was the MOST important thing, cause, well you might not live. So women screened very heavily on a man's ability to provide.

But these days everyone survives, so a man's ability to provide, while very important is NOT the only factor at play in attraction. Yes, women want a nice material lifestyle but they want OTHER things too, they don't just want to survive, they want to have fun, and feel good. A guy who is creative, humorous, and dominant provides that.

The caveman who left his clan and returned with the most animal-kills could have his pick of any woman...likewise, the man who goes out brings back money (lots of money) can have his pick of any girl...doesn't matter if he's short, bald, and fat. He will attract the most gorgeous women.

Usually. But a rich man with no game will get used and abused by the girl.

Any woman will tell you money doesn't matter...but it's simply not true!

Money does matter, but it is not everything when it comes to attraction. Yes, every girl requires that a man make a decent living to finance a house, etc, but he does not *necessarily* have to be super-rich IF he has other advantages (i.e. fun, dominant presence, humorous)

Don't kid yourself...women want men who know how to make a rich and abundant living. We may live in a technical society in which women no longer have to depend on men for survival...but thousands of years of biology dictates.

I agree that every girl wants a guy with money, the more money the better. Just like how every guy would prefer his girl be even more physically beautiful. Not sure why you are re-hashing the trivial.


The bottom line is, yes it is natural for every girl to want a rich guy. But if your girl dumps you because you won't buy her an expensive ring, that is just UNNATURAL. She probably was in with you ONLY for the money.

 

[guru1000]

The engagement ring you purchase represents who you are as an earner, just as your car or house. It's never about the woman as much as it is about you and your standards.

If your girl demands a big ring, she is not the problem, you are in choosing her.

 

[MarkFillipos]

Engagement Rings BULLSHYT

Just out of curiosity.

DH rarely wears his wedding ring. I make him put it on when we go out if I remember.

I always wear my wedding ring, but probably only wear my engagement ring once or twice a week. I cant wear it for taekwondo and always forget to put it back on.

Do you always wear yours?

 

[zekko]

I got married without buying a ring. She b!tched about that for years. Then I finally bought her a ring...and we got divorced. I should have never bought that stupid ring...

Hmm, I guess it's true what they say: Once that ring goes on her finger, she changes. I always thought it was the marriage that did it, but I guess it's the ring.

By the way, I don't think the failure of marriage today is an indictment of marriage. It's an indictment of today's society. It's totally based in greed, immorality, and selfishness.

 

[Nutz]

Great link Squirrels, greatly appreciated it.

Seconded.


If someone is truly interested in buying a ring then go the synthetic route. The only way to tell the difference is with lab equipment and they're a fraction of the cost. Want your girl to be able to wow her friends? Then spend half the money you would on the real thing and get much much MUCH larger diamond at the same time.

For example, I just looked at a .12 carat diamond solitaire that was just over $4K. The synthetic diamond version was $650 and it was the same cut, clarity, etc. Oh, and the synthetic was 1.46 carat!! That's an 85% savings for a diamond that's 12x the size.

At this point only a fool would buy a real diamond vs the synthetic..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond#Gemstones

Gem-quality diamonds grown in a lab can be chemically, physically and optically identical to naturally occurring ones, although they can be distinguished by spectroscopy in infrared, ultraviolet, or X-ray wavelengths.

 

[jophil28]

At this point only a fool would buy a real diamond vs the synthetic..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond#Gemstones

DNA testing of engagement rings ?

 

[MatureDJ]

If someone is truly interested in buying a ring then go the synthetic route. The only way to tell the difference is with lab equipment and they're a fraction of the cost. Want your girl to be able to wow her friends? Then spend half the money you would on the real thing and get much much MUCH larger diamond at the same time.

For example, I just looked at a .12 carat diamond solitaire that was just over $4K. The synthetic diamond version was $650 and it was the same cut, clarity, etc. Oh, and the synthetic was 1.46 carat!! That's an 85% savings for a diamond that's 12x the size.

At this point only a fool would buy a real diamond vs the synthetic..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond#Gemstones

Are these the diamonds that folks on the radio were advertising as coming out of Russia?

I've got no problem putting on a synthetic diamond from Russia on a non-synthetic Russian woman.

 

[MatureDJ]

I love it. Here's a great article:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html

The Diamond Cartel's plea to the AFC:

... says Jef Van Royen ... "If people really love each other, then they give each other the real stone," he says, during an interview at council headquarters on the Hoveniersstraat in Antwerp. "It is not a symbol of eternal love if it is something that was created last week."

GMAFB! :crackup:

 

[Bluntmaster]

Seconded.


If someone is truly interested in buying a ring then go the synthetic route. The only way to tell the difference is with lab equipment and they're a fraction of the cost. Want your girl to be able to wow her friends? Then spend half the money you would on the real thing and get much much MUCH larger diamond at the same time.

For example, I just looked at a .12 carat diamond solitaire that was just over $4K. The synthetic diamond version was $650 and it was the same cut, clarity, etc. Oh, and the synthetic was 1.46 carat!! That's an 85% savings for a diamond that's 12x the size.

At this point only a fool would buy a real diamond vs the synthetic..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond#Gemstones

This is awesome thanks for sharing. If I ever buy a ring for a girl, it will be synthetic.

I wouldn't even tell her. I'd lie and say it's the real this. What's she going to do go take it to a scientist?

And why does the article insist on telling her it's synthetic. Screw that noise, I'm going to lie and say it's the real deal.

 

[Miles28]

Rescue Mission,

I totally agree with you and it's something I often thought about myself, not without a pervading feeling of more than mild disgust. I have often been subjected to some woman coming into my office to show off her rock. I've always wanted to do the Johnny Depp thing out of Donnie Brasco and tell them 'It's a fugesi!!!'. They wouldn't be even faintly amused though.

Women are like crows I guess, they like big shiny things. They also feel the need to compete with their friends and probably feel like it's socially embarrassing if they don't get a decent carat diamond. My friend has been married a few times and separately engaged several more times but he has somehow managed to recycle the ring. Lol, i joke that it's like the one ring of power.

You should read a book called "The Lie'. It's by the same guy who wrote 'The Average American Male'. The engagement ring plays a significant part in the book.

I'm just so glad other guys think the way I do, i.e the guys that cave in to women's ridiculous demands and think they are being romantic by doing so are basically just pussies. I also can't believe that, what is supposed to be a symbol of love and commitment has become so corrupted by out and out materialism. So now a ring should be three months' salary??!!!! That's great, I have to slave for three months to buy a piece of jewellery for some girl who is supposed to love me. If the girl loved me that much she'd rather I kept the money so I could take that three months off my working life!!!

 

[Rescue Mission]

Rescue Mission,

I totally agree with you and it's something I often thought about myself, not without a pervading feeling of more than mild disgust. I have often been subjected to some woman coming into my office to show off her rock. I've always wanted to do the Johnny Depp thing out of Donnie Brasco and tell them 'It's a fugesi!!!'. They wouldn't be even faintly amused though.

Women are like crows I guess, they like big shiny things. They also feel the need to compete with their friends and probably feel like it's socially embarrassing if they don't get a decent carat diamond. My friend has been married a few times and separately engaged several more times but he has somehow managed to recycle the ring. Lol, i joke that it's like the one ring of power.

You should read a book called "The Lie'. It's by the same guy who wrote 'The Average American Male'. The engagement ring plays a significant part in the book.

I'm just so glad other guys think the way I do, i.e the guys that cave in to women's ridiculous demands and think they are being romantic by doing so are basically just pussies. I also can't believe that, what is supposed to be a symbol of love and commitment has become so corrupted by out and out materialism. So now a ring should be three months' salary??!!!! That's great, I have to slave for three months to buy a piece of jewellery for some girl who is supposed to love me. If the girl loved me that much she'd rather I kept the money so I could take that three months off my working life!!!

Why not just take a few hours, and make a ring from scratch, to show how much you love a woman......it would be like making a piece of art for her in a way, and surely it will be cheap, but from the heart.

It really is a LESSON to every guy out there who may or may not be a chump - if you are with a woman who wants a ROCK, then you are better off just fvcking her one more time, and then dumping her!!! We as men should only commit to a woman who is after LOVE, and ONLY LOVE!

 

[Greasy Pig]

I use this test on girls at work with wildly differing answers:
If a man climbed to the top of a dangerous peak and dug out the root of a rare tree that only grew on that mountain, then took that piece of dirty wood to a master woodworker who carved it into a wedding ring and etched a poem on the inside, would that be acceptable as an engagement ring?
So far it's about 50-50 with the chicks I've asked. It's amazing how many gold diggers are out there who want the big rock to show off.
My argument is, the ring is a SYMBOL of a man's commitment to a woman, nothing more. So in reality, it could be made of stone, it still doesn't detract from the meaning behind it.
Great post by Jophil too.