EMERGENCY ADVICE before I start the No Contact Challenge

Kevin Matthew

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As most people might imagine by reading the title of this thread, I am going through a very tough break up, and like most people in our generation, I sought the internet for advice. I truly believe this girl is the one for me, and I really don't know what to do...but like most situations, I didn't realize what I had until it was gone. I hope that everyone who reads this thread will read it in its entirety, and respond with the best advice you can. The real question I am seeking an answer for is whether or not the No Contact challenge is appropriate for my situation. Please try and respond ASAP, because I want to start moving forward tonight. I am going in to a lot of detail. This spans over the course of the past month and a half, so I will do my best to use dates to keep you in the story. Thank you.

Before we started dating(last April) we hooked up off and on for a couple months beginning in October 2011. I had always liked her more than she liked me, and it showed. I was basically obsessed with her. I even told her I loved her before we were even dating. The truth is, at this time she was my perfect woman, and I was living at home post college miserably. I often reached out to her, and she wouldn't contact me unless she wanted to have sex. Then the tides turned. I forgot about her. Focused on moving into NYC and found a new/hotter girl to focus my attention. While I was trying to hook up with this prettier girl, she finagled her way back in to my life(because i basically told her i hated her, and she missed me), and had the luxury of 2 very pretty girls. The prettier one ended up deading me, but I was happy to still have Chelsea.

The truth is, we kind of rushed into the relationship when we started dating. I had just moved in to my NYC apartment and loved being single in NYC. One day we were both drunk at a concert and she asked why I kept introducing her as my friend...I felt forced to ask her out, and for a while, I didn't really appreciate what we had because I wasn't sure if I really wanted to be in the relationship. After a while I began reminding myself of how I felt when i was living at home, when she had the upper hand. I tried to mentally motivate myself to want to be in the relationship, and it worked...for a little.

So probably around Halloween we could both tell things were on the rocks. We began fighting, and I started to think that I didn't want to be in the relationship anymore. I thought that I wanted to be young, single and ready to mingle living in NYC. Because of this my actions began reflecting how I felt, and I began making less of an effort. The truth is, at this point I wanted to be single because I felt like my years sleeping around were limited(I'm 24 years old), but on the other hand, I also knew that I could see myself spending the rest of my life with her, and it scared me. I thought I was too young for something like that. I was immature and thought that I needed to go out and sleep with more women. I was thinking like a typical guy. I was also too scared to break up with her on my own because I didn't want to hurt her, and because we share some friends, so I thought I could manipulate her, and push her to break up with me, because I thought it was what I wanted.

Eventually it all climaxed one night in February when she was sleeping at her cousin's apartment in the city. She lost her wallet, and I didn't even go help when she called me looking to be "rescued". Looking back on it I can't believe I did that, but I knew what I was doing at the time, and I knew that we would probably break up after that. I was such an *******. The next day she emailed me saying she wanted a break. At this point I still thought it was what I wanted so I didn't even respond. We ended up going to see Swedish House Mafia at MSG together as friends on March 1st. We danced, and made out, but we were friends. The next day we went out to breakfast, talked and broke up.

About 10 days later I woke up on a Monday morning(March 11) and realized how stupid of a mistake I made. I was a mess. I called her that night and begged for her to come back. She said no and basically broke up with me again. I embarrassed myself. A week later I thought it would be better to show her how much I cared so I wrote her a long note, put a scrap book together, sang her a song on video, and gave her 4 roses(3 real and 1 silk and left a note saying "i will love you until the last one dies"). She freaked, and told me that I was a creep. I know it was aggressive, but I also forgot to leave the note with the rest of the package, so it probably just looked like me begging for her back again. The note I wrote was very well thought out, and explained how I felt. How I thought I wanted to be single, and I started acting a certain way because of it. Here is the note...

Chelsea,

I am not writing you this to beg for you back; I think I embarrassed myself enough when I called you that Monday night. I am writing you this, because writing has always been a way for me to alleviate myself of emotional pain, while at the same time helping to organize my thoughts in a clear and concise way. I think that my feelings, and opinions on this matter deserve to be heard in full, and writing them down is the best way for me to express myself to you. Please keep an open mind, this is this most sincere and self-reflective I've been in my entire life. I am going to do my best to explain what my thought process was, which caused me to act the way I did.

I know that our relationship wasn't perfect towards the end. We didn't spend as much time with each other as we once had, and we were both kind of irritated with the way things were going. A big part of that is I was questioning if I wanted "us". I wasn't positive that I wanted to be in a relationship at this age, which is why I wasn't acting like myself--The Kevin you fell in love with. I thought that time away from each other is what I wanted. I know that we say we took a "break" before this, but it was nearly non existent. I don't think it can really be considered as such, because we really didn't take any time apart. But after not seeing you for what has been the longest time away from each other since we started dating, I now know what I want. I have taken a step back, and evaluated myself as person. I have thought about what I have too much of in my life, and what I don't have enough of. I have learned a lot about being a man, and being a good person. I have spent countless hours opening up about a very sensitive situation in my life to the people I care about, but don't usually open up to. I have shed many tears in front of these people, behind closed doors, before I fall sleep and even when I wake up...but like I said this letter isn't meant to guilt you, or beg for you back. If I did that, and we did get back together, the result would be us going through the motions again, just to end up in the same situation a couple months later. But that is not what this is. This is me showing you that I have learned from my mistakes. That my eyes have been opened, and I have matured as a person. I won't make the same decisions, or lack of decisions, because I thought it they would make happy, when the opposite is in fact the truth. The truth is, I couldn't make myself happy. I could sit here and list off the cliche things that I should have done better, like take you out to dinner more, or take you to the roof of my building, but I know that's not what you want to hear. The truth is, dinner, or taking you to the roof are only 2 examples on a very long list of things I could've done. I didn't appreciate these types of things at first, but having been pushed to the brink, my views have changed. I know you may think that it's too late, but sometimes situations like this need to take place for people to fully understand.

Chelsea, you are the perfect girl for me, and my eyes are open wide enough to see that now. I know I have said that to you before, but actions speak louder than words, and I truly want to show you. I thought I wanted time apart, but I was wrong...very wrong. You are beautiful. You are smart. You are funny. You are sexy. You are corky. The list goes on, and the best part is, all of these characteristics are just like me. You know what I am thinking before I even open my mouth, and you are capable of finishing my sentences. You fit perfectly in my arms like a puzzle piece. When we hold hands, nothing can break the bond between us. When I'm in your presence all that is bad in my life would be forgotten. In two days I am supposed to go on vacation for what could possibly be a once in a lifetime trip, but you're all I can think about. You are the only ecstasy I need, at this show called "life"...that's truly how you make me feel. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I have learned a lot, and not even necessarily about relationships. This whole experience has taught me how to mature as a person, in my facets of life. Let me show you.

I love you,

Kevin
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We talked again the night I gave her the "keep sakes"(at this point it was like March 20th). She was very careful with her words to make sure I know we are just friends. During this convo I realized that I didn't give her the note. She told me to go on vacation(I was going to Miami that weekend which was ruined because all I did was dwell on her), and if i wanted to give her the note when I come back I should. When we got off the phone I texted her saying I was going to give it to her as a way to help give me closure, but I actually decided to wait. I still haven't given it to her.

When she broke up with me the second time(when I begged for her back) she told me things like "she didn't feel the same about me anymore", "she started getting mad at me for things she shouldn't get mad at me for" "she was never in love with me, she just loved me" every cliche in the book. But the truth is, I changed. I manipulated her emotions, and yes its ****ed up but I have learned from my mistakes. After I gave her the scrap book and stuff she started texting me again too for a bit. I've been somewhat responsive, but when I didn't respond at all she kind of freaked out and got worried that I wasn't talking to her. She texted me again later that night, and ended it by saying "i don't know why i keep teixting you to check in. hope all is well." I didn't even know what to think of that.

We hadn't talked for a couple days when she "checked in" on me. I went to take my lunch break at work last Monday(April 1), and came back to my desk with this gchat message:
Chelsea: I think its safe to assume that you don’t really want to talk to me/be friendly with me. which is fine – but I had thought that you wanted to send me a letter you wrote for some closure – because you put a lot of thought into it. I think its safe to assume as well that you took my advice and waited until after ultra to see if you still wanted to send it to me. whatever the decision maker was Im glad your okay and doing “great”. Hope to see you at EDC.
She ended up assuming that I saw the messages and wasn't responding. She freaked again saying I should grow a pair and respond. I told her I would call her that night to play catch up.

So that Monday(April 1)I called her and tried to play a little catch up, but she seemed very tired on the phone, so I didn't want to keep her. One thing we established is that we're going to see each other before EDC New York which is in the middle of May. Now, I didn't want to be too over bearing and be like, "yo, lets see each other asap" but at the same time, I didn't want to to wait.

Also during our phone convo I asked her if she was ok, because shes been contacting me a lot, and was quite aggressive on gchat. She said she was fine, and I asked her why she was so curious about the letter. She told me that shes been thinking about it since i told her about it, but she wanted to know why i didn't give it to her. I told her I didn't give it to her yet, because when i gave her the other things she basically called me a creep, and that hurt. When we got off the phone she texted me twice. First saying "i think what you gave me is really nice, i just didn't know how to react" then she responded again with "but i'm glad i have it". Now, i don't want to sound in denial, but when someone goes out of there way to force their feelings on me like that, i feel like shes in denial. Maybe i'm wrong, but i really don't think so.

My friend asked me why I never gave her the letter. I thought a lot about it, and the truth is, I kind of knew that it would make her think about me. I needed to play the game, and it worked.

She ended up reaching out to me last Wednesday to get lunch. We agreed on Saturday. We got lunch on Saturday, and i did tell her i missed her, but i didn't want to come on too strong, so i didn't get all serious on her talking about us.

It was interesting though, she definitely gave me a lot signs. The way she told me she missed me sounded very lonely. She cried when i paid for lunch, saying that i never did that when we were dating(which isn't true). I put my arm around her at one point and she reciprocated, and i could tell it was very passionate, and even our hug good bye felt very emotional. I could tell by the way we would make eye contact that something was still there. She also told me she had to delete my number from her phone so she wouldn't text me. Now, I know I was being very stand offish when she would text me, but that doesn't make sense to me. Why does she need to resist the urge to text me, even if I am being distant. Then she also told me that she hung out with all of my friends last Friday. She got dinner with my brothers girlfriend, then afterwards they went to a bar and all of my friends from home were there. Is that not weird?!?!?

We didn't talk about the letter, which i think is good, because I can always use it like a 'wild card'...play it when i'm ready kind of thing. BUT i did tell her today that I wanted to give it to her. She asked why I didn't read it to her Saturday at lunch and I said I wanted to enjoy our time together with no distractions.

I was starting to think maybe its time i get serious again and read her the letter, but then I started reading this blog, and the No Contact challenge. I was thinking maybe I could read her the letter, and then be like "peace". We're supposed see each other next Saturday at my friends girlfriends place, and then again the weekend after at a concert(my friends girlfriend and her are friends because of use, same with my brother's girlfriend and her....I also bought her ticket to the concert, like a fool). I'm trying to tell myself to be patient, but at the same time I don't want her to get too comfortable as my friend. She also unblocked all of my friends on Facebook, after she blocked them for a week.

I know I read too deep in to these things sometimes, but I feel like its necessary in a situation like this.

I also looked, REALLY good Saturday, so i think that might be sitting in her stomach. :)

I was thinking about making this my next move: Asking if shes busy Thursday night so I can read her the note i wrote, BUT making it seem like i'm already going to be in Westchester(where we both grew up) having dinner at home, and then after reading the note, initiating NC.

Now sirs, I ask for your advice. Is NC appropriate? Has she, or has she not been giving me signs that she misses me, or that she really wants to be a friend?
If I do initiate NC, should I read her the note first?
I also at one point was talking with my friends girlfriend(Hailey) a lot, because I needed a woman's opinion. I wrote her a long email, and my friends GF said i should just tell her what I said in the last paragraph:

The truth is Hailey I was ****ing stupid. I thought I wanted to be single, and I was scared to hurt her, by breaking up with her so i pushed her to do it to me. And now I know what she meant to me. I know she says she doesnt feel the same way about me, but I believe she just didn't like what i had become. I know it sounds like denial, but its not. I was blinded by DefSweet, and the desire to party, which just made me a poor boyfriend. It was too little too late, because I just don't deserve another chance, but at the same time, I really do. I would give up if she told me that she wanted to be single, cause shes young, but she doesnt want to be single. I know how to make her happy, and I want to make her happy. Theres my inspiration story...I need your help Hailey. :)

Should I read this to her also?

PLEASE ADVISE, and ASAP. I need to start making moves.
 

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First I am reading this its long so give me a little bit...second is if this is your real name you may want to deactivate this user name and make a new one as this can be found on google....just looking out for you....give me a little longer for advice....from the first page it seems u should never contact her again....but let me finish.
 

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It is long, i know. But i figured i should give more details than less. And thank you for the advice regarding the user name, though it is not my real name.
 

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"When she broke up with me the second time(when I begged for her back) she told me things like "she didn't feel the same about me anymore", "she "started getting mad at me for things she shouldn't get mad at me for" "she was never in love with me, she just loved me" every cliche in the book. But the truth is, I changed. I manipulated her emotions, and yes its ****ed up but I have learned from my mistakes. After I gave her the scrap book and stuff she started texting me again too for a bit. I've been somewhat responsive, but when I didn't respond at all she kind of freaked out and got worried that I wasn't talking to her. She texted me again later that night, and ended it by saying "i don't know why i keep teixting you to check in. hope all is well." I didn't even know what to think of that."



Ok that paragraph says it all...She is no longer interested....Listen, i was told this once....Lets say your dating a girl that snores...and one day you cant handle it anymore and your guys break up....amonth later you make up get back together have amazing sex and then u goto bed...uwake up in the middle of the night to her snoring...you relize wat the fvck have i done....

The point of this story is that the problems are still there...the reasons for this ending are not just going to disapere. she was getting irritated of you...whatever the reasons where for that ARE STILL THERE...

Id start moving on buddy...she already sees you as very needy...and weak. trust me alot of us/most of us have been here...what dont kill you make you stronger but this is a done deal I would say....If you got back togeather i dont think it would rly work...its a matter of time.

Hope this helped

P.s. dont hijack other peoples threads...iknow ur hurting and desprate but its good way to lose respect on here.
 

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Ok, so I shouldn't talk to her, but do i tell her I don't want to be friends with her anymore, or just stop?
 

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This is old paradox in a bag. The more you desire her and chase her, the more she will run from you. If you really want to be with her which i doubt, you should go no contact and when you do see her, act like nothing ever happened between you. Treat her like an old buddy/acquaintance.

I really think you are just reacting out of emotional immaturity. The relationship is done, and you know this because you didn't want it in the first place when you were with her. You will regret it i think, if you do get back with her.
 

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No contact is definitely the decision, but do I tell her? Do i give her the letter?
 

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Kevin Matthew said:
No contact is definitely the decision, but do I tell her? Do i give her the letter?
Thats up to you I woulndt,....dont tell her just do it....dont say anything go ghost....she will try and bait u in especially when she sees u moving on dont fall for it....its a trap
 

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Dude, she doesn't want you. Move on with your life. Go NC(for yourself, NOT to get her back), bang some new broads and you'll forget all about her. Don't be friends with her either. You have too many feelings for her to be friends with her. Also, don't send that message. Sounds like she's an attention wh0re who just wants to read a letter from you proclaiming your love for her as an ego boost. You're only 24 anyway. You shouldn't even be thinking about marriage for atleast another decade.
 

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This girl's got balls, eh? She is acting the way YOU should be acting. You gave up all your power to her. I agree with the others, this relationship is done, so stick a fork in it. In fact, don't it's burnt to a crisp!

Get your head back, man. You now live in NYC. Go out and have some fun. Do anything to get you back into a sane, healthy state of mind. Stop this ridiculous chasing and man up and own your initial decision of terminating this relationship.

You have to do a complete 360. No contact is NO CONTACT. Nothing. Delete her number. Hell, in your situation, I'd get a new phucking number and a new cell phone! Spend the money, get a prepaid if you have to. You need to go ghost ASAP. No explanations, no bullʂhit girly closure. You owe no explanations to ANYONE. No concerts, cute brunches, or gifts *cringe* (she called you a creep FFS!). Don't worry about your friends' or family's opinions. They're not the ones neck deep in misery.

Yes, this is harsh advice, but you cannot forfeit power to a girl, then want it back. Avoid her like the plague until the dust settles. Minimum 6 months. Then act like nothing happened and play that ʂhit off like Joe Cool or you will be doomed to repeat all of these cycles eternally with her until she finds a new man, marries him, and you blow your brains out in a dark alley in The Bowery.

Not worth it. Move on ASAP.

Good luck, man.
 

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I can see who is wearing the pants in this relationship!! It is HER and not you. What are you doing writing her love letters and begging her to come back? You sound like a chick who just got played like a b!tch!! C'mon man..get with it!! Stop acting with this weak chick like behavior...grow up and be a man!! If this chick wanted to be with you....she still would be with you now....not trying to break away from you!! Quit embarrassing yourself....get some self control and move on!! Any attempts to try to "win" her back will just push her farther away and will give you false hopes!! Accept what happened and move on!! If these guys would spend this much time gong after interested chicks..they would be getting laid like a boss!!


Kevin Matthew said:
Before we started dating(last April) we hooked up off and on for a couple months beginning in October 2011. I had always liked her more than she liked me, and it showed. I was basically obsessed with her. I even told her I loved her before we were even dating. The truth is, at this time she was my perfect woman, and I was living at home post college miserably. I often reached out to her, and she wouldn't contact me unless she wanted to have sex.

This is all you need to know right here!! You liked her more than she liked you. She never wanted it to be anything serious. You became creepy and obsessed with her...that turned her off. She didn't feel the same way about you!! What does that tell you?You should be happy you got laid!! You can never make someone else like you or love you more. This is what you are trying to do with her. You are trying to do everything possible to make her love you like you love her!! That is crazy!! She will only do that if she feels it!! No amount of begging, crying, or love letters will change her mind!! You are wasting your time and you should be ashamed by behaving this way!!

You are wasting your time here!!.....Nothing you can do will change her mind!! She already thinks negative of you!! You should never have to beg, plead, cry, write letters, look for tricks, think of things to do, to get a girl to want to be with you. . That never works!! You are fighting a game that you can never win....you always end up losing in the end....this chick is done dude!!...get over it and move on...you will just hurt yourself even more by pursuing her when she tells you that she doesn't want you!!
 
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