FR: Effective Winging
Hey guys, this is a post I wrote a some other forums a while ago, I post under the name Sickboy on those. My words are in lowercase, while Twentysix added his comments in capitals.
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During the Seattle workshop, me and TwentySix had been winging together quite a bit, we have sort of the same style in the sense that we use routines heavily, but rely on our own unique personalities for the strength in our games.
During the second night we’re at some club and it was real late; the students had bounced, so it was just fun time for us. I don’t even think that we were trying to pull; we just wanted to dance with some girls. The first set we tried to dance with we’re lesbians, but danced with us anyway. One of them was a warpig that first tried to make out with me, and then 26. I think we ejected cause we’re laughing so hard.
DUDE! THAT WAS F-U-C-K-E-D! MAN…THIS NIGHT WAS A LOT OF FUN! WE WERE ****ING ON TOGETHER THAT NIGHT MAN! I REMEMBER YOU AND I WERE DANCING ALL CRAZY LAUGHING OUR ASSES OFF AND THAT WARPIG WAS SERIOUSLY DIGGING US! MAYBE SINCE WE WERE JUST HAVING A GOOD TIME HANGING TOGETHER WAS THE REASON WHY WE CAME OFF SO WELL…OR MAYBE BECAUSE SHE WAS A WARPIG.
We spot this four set in the corner of the club by some couches, 26 goes in with the 80’s music opener. The set has one UG, and three HBs. The hottest starts **** testing hard, trying everything to get us to leave, but it’s not working. At this point we’re getting IOIs from the other two HBs. We isolate them and proceed with the sarge. Style gave my girl a 9, 26’s girl was just as hot.
WHAT WE DID WITH THE HOT GIRL WAS MONEY! SHE WOULD **** TEST AND **** TEST US – AND ALL WE DID WAS NOTHING. TO ME, RESPONING TO A **** TEST IS THE WAY TO LOSE A **** TEST. NOT RESPONDING AND MOVING ON IS THE WAY TO DO IT. LIKE SHE DOESN’T AFFECT YOU. SICKBOY, WHEN YOU DRAGGED THAT CHICK OF YOURS OVER TO THE DANCE FLOOR THAT ****-TESTING HB WENT OFF ON ME HARDCORE!
HERE’S WHAT HAPPENED…SICKBOY GRABBED HIS GIRL AND BROUGHT HER TO THE DANCE FLOOR AND STARTED MAKING OUT WITH HER. I HAD MY GIRL IN BETWEEN MY LEGS…WE WERE HEAD TO HEAD – VERY SEDUCTIVILICIOUS! SO THE **** TESTING HB…LET’S CALL HER HBTryingTo****YourSetUp…COMES OVER TO MY GIRL, WHOSE LOOKING AT ME LIKE I’M PRINCE ****ING CHARLES OF SEATTLE AND SAYS TO HER (WITH ME IN TOTAL EARSHOT):
DON’T DO IT. DON’T DO IT.
IMPLYING, DON’T GET WITH THIS GUY – IT WAS VERY ****ING ON WITH THIS CHICK!
SO…MY CHICK EASED UP A BIT, BUT SICKBOY AND I DIDN’T.
We grab the chicks and pull them to the dance floor, dance for 15 min, and then back to the couches. We’re sitting on the couches and the chicks start ignoring us completely, then start dancing in front of us. They even wander a bit away, but keep checking to see if we’re staring at them. I’m telling 26 that we can’t look over and that we need to look like we’re really into our own conversation. They start doing things blatantly for attention, like grinding each other in front of us. We still just laid back and were into ourselves. It worked perfect; they came back to sit down. This time I talked to 26’s target, while he talked to mine.
I LEARNED SO MUCH FROM SICKBOY IT WAS RIDICULOUS. HE’S A VERY CHILLED OUT GUY – LIKE NOTHING AFFECTS HIM.
This is a good wing tactic, where you talk up your wing to his target, you also build rapport cause when you’re pulling with a wing it’s group activity and everyone has to get along and know each other.
THIS WAS THE CLINCHER FOR THE SARGE IMO. SICKBOY CHATTED MY GIRL FOR AN HOUR AS I DID WITH HIS. WE JUST CONVEYED OUR PERSONALITIES TO THESE CHICKS. WE GAVE THESE GIRLS WHAT THEY WANTED. GIRLS LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHO THERE FRIENDS ARE GETTING WITH. THAT’S A BIG REASON A LOT OF SARGES GET ****ED UP – BECAUSE THE FRIEND(S) DON’T TRUST YOU. HERE, SICKBOY AND I CONVEYED TO THE GIRLS THAT WE WERE COOL GUYS. THEY BOTH LOVED US. IN TYLER’S WORDS – IT WAS LIKE WE WERE ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY. EVERYONE LIKED EVERYONE AND EVERYONE ENJOYED EVERYONE’S COMPANY.
I REMEMBER TALKING TO SICKBOY AFTER ALL THIS ENDED…WE LOOKED BACK AT THIS AS BEING PIVITOL POINT IN THE SARGE. AND AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE EVEN CONFUSED FOR A BIT WHILE IT WENT ON. WE DIDN’T KNOW IF OUR TARGETS WERE SWITCHING, BUT THE POINT IS…WE STUCK WITH THE GAME PLAN AND EVERYTHING WENT WICKED!
LESSON IS STICK WITH THE GAME PLAN! I DEFINITELY LEARNED THAT!
By this time the other HB and UG had been in and out of the set a few times, and had been befriended perfectly. It was crazy cause the HB that had tried to blow us out of the set was now about to help us majorly in pulling.
I THINK HBTryingTo****YourSetUp SAW US BEFRIENDING HER FRIENDS SEPARATELY. THE POINT HERE IS WE DIDN’T LOOK LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO PICK UP. WE WERE GUYS THAT WERE JUST CHATTING. AND THAT’S WHAT IT FELT LIKE TO ME. I WAS JUST HAVING FUN WITH THIS AND ROLLING WITH IT – NOT ‘CONCERNED’ ABOUT WHAT TACTIC TO DELIVER NEXT.
The club was closing and she (HBTryingTo****YourSetUp) asked us if we’d escort the group to their cars which we’re parked a few blocks away cause the neighborhood was sketchy. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Seattle, but what I can tell you is that it’s like ****in Leave it to ****** all over the place; pristine white families with kids running around. I guess this chick liked us and wanted to see her friends hook up.
PRISTINE! LOL!
We get to the cars and realize that they have two of them…Perfect! We go with our set and the other two leave. Even though I’m not hungry I suggest we get food; we hadn’t built enough comfort and trust to go back to the hotel just yet.
The set had been going great so far. We we’re joking around with them the whole night, they we’re really a lot of fun. At the diner we got some crayons and drew pictures of ourselves hanging out together. I forget the name of the diner, but if you’re in Seattle you can still see the pictures, cause we hung them on the wall.
HOLD UP…I’M GONNA DO A SEARCH FOR THE NAME OF THAT ****ING RESTAURANT! DUDE! THERE’S SO MANY WICKED FUN THINGS TO TALK ABOUT IN THIS FR…WE COULD GO ON AND ON!
I JUST DID A GOOGLE SEARCH ON ‘SEATTLE GRUNGE RESTAURANT KURT COBAIN’ – I DIDN’T GET ANY RESULTS. BOO.
REMEMBER THE PIC YOUR GIRL DREW OF ALL OF US DUDE?! WE WERE ALL SITTING ON A UNICORN THAT WAS FLYING TROUGH THE AIR, THERE WAS ALSO A TREE…I REMEMBER A TREE. MAN, I MISS THESE GIRLS.
I had great rapport with my girl, but I sensed attraction was slipping. I need to raise it quick before they drove us back to the hotel, cause it’s too hard in a car to raise buying temp. I opened the adjacent set, fishing for IOIs. I ran that set perfect and got the response I was looking for. My girl immediately perked up and it was on.
THIS WAS VERY MONEY. SICKBOY OPENS THE SET TO HIS LEFT AND JUST USES A REGULAR ****ING OPENER THAT YOU’D RUN ON A NORMAL SET IN A CLUB. HE’S JUST RUNNING THE GAME PLAN LIKE IT’S A NEW SET. IT WAS FUNNY…I THINK THE INTERACTION WENT LIKE THIS:
THREE-SET AND SICKBOY (WHO WAS SOCIALLY PROOFED BY LITERALLY HANGING WITH THE MOST FUN GROUP IN THE RESTAURANT – EVERYONE IN THE RESTAURANT WAS COMMENTING ON HOW MUCH FUN WE WERE HAVING –THE FOUR OF US RAISED THE ****ING VIBE IN THAT PLACE!)
SICKBOY – (RUNS THE DAVID BOWIE OPENER)
HBBrownHot – YOU HAVE THE MOST AMAZING EYES (DOESN’T EVEN ANSWER HIS QUESTION, SHE WAS MESMERIZED BY THE SICKBOYNESS THAT HE WAS. FROM THERE IT WAS VERY ON WITH HIS GIRL IN OUR EXTRACTED SET).
On the drive back to the hotel, I knew that the girls would definitely come up to the room, the only problem was that TD and another ASFer were up there sleeping. I had 26 keep the girls entertained in the lobby while I kicked the guys out of the room.
When I came back down to the lobby I realized that it would be awkward to try and get them back up to the room. I ran a routine to up buying temp and then just said casually, “Let’s go up to the room and watch a movie.” The key here was that I didn’t assume for a second that they would follow, so I just turned and walked towards the elevator. Everyone followed.
Once you get them up to the room, that’s the most awkward part, cause here everyone realizes what’s gonna happen next. It’s tough to make a double lay happen in the same room. I’ve had the experience of doing this twice before; once with TD and once with my natural friend. I prepared beforehand for this by opening all of the blinds and having both the TV and lights on.
THIS WAS SO ****ING KEY. IMAGINE THEY ROLL UP TO OUR ROOM AND IT’S ALL DARK AND THE BLINDS ARE CLOSED? THEY’D JET IF THEY FELT ANY SLIGHT AMOUNT OF UNCOMFORTABLENESS. SICKBOY TO THE RESCUE! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! SERIOUSLY! THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
Though it’s obvious everyone is there to hook up, you still need to make it look like it “just happened.” So what you need to do in this situation is slowly escalate. Each PUA must give the appearance of escalating one step ahead of the other.
For example, I made it look like I was making out with my chick first. 26 and his chick saw this and started making out; so when my chick saw this, she started making out with me. Keep this method going on until each set is having sex. Neither girl wants to be the one that escalates first, so you must GIVE THE ILLUSION that she is escalating. This worked for us, as it has in the past when I’ve done the same with my wing.
HE’S RIGHT. I LEARNED THIS FROM HIM. MY GIRL KEPT LOOKING OVER AT WHERE SHE ‘THOUGHT’ HER FRIEND WAS AT WITH SICKBOY. AND AFTER TALKING WITH SICKBOY THE NEXT DAY HE TOLD ME HIS GIRL WAS DOING ‘CHECK INS’ WITH ME AND MY GIRL TOO.
THIS WAS THE MOST FUN TIME I EVER HAD SARGING. IT’S A GREAT MEMORY.
Definatly, this was a great time. These girls were awesome.
Hey guys, this is a post I wrote a some other forums a while ago, I post under the name Sickboy on those. My words are in lowercase, while Twentysix added his comments in capitals.
==============================================
During the Seattle workshop, me and TwentySix had been winging together quite a bit, we have sort of the same style in the sense that we use routines heavily, but rely on our own unique personalities for the strength in our games.
During the second night we’re at some club and it was real late; the students had bounced, so it was just fun time for us. I don’t even think that we were trying to pull; we just wanted to dance with some girls. The first set we tried to dance with we’re lesbians, but danced with us anyway. One of them was a warpig that first tried to make out with me, and then 26. I think we ejected cause we’re laughing so hard.
DUDE! THAT WAS F-U-C-K-E-D! MAN…THIS NIGHT WAS A LOT OF FUN! WE WERE ****ING ON TOGETHER THAT NIGHT MAN! I REMEMBER YOU AND I WERE DANCING ALL CRAZY LAUGHING OUR ASSES OFF AND THAT WARPIG WAS SERIOUSLY DIGGING US! MAYBE SINCE WE WERE JUST HAVING A GOOD TIME HANGING TOGETHER WAS THE REASON WHY WE CAME OFF SO WELL…OR MAYBE BECAUSE SHE WAS A WARPIG.
We spot this four set in the corner of the club by some couches, 26 goes in with the 80’s music opener. The set has one UG, and three HBs. The hottest starts **** testing hard, trying everything to get us to leave, but it’s not working. At this point we’re getting IOIs from the other two HBs. We isolate them and proceed with the sarge. Style gave my girl a 9, 26’s girl was just as hot.
WHAT WE DID WITH THE HOT GIRL WAS MONEY! SHE WOULD **** TEST AND **** TEST US – AND ALL WE DID WAS NOTHING. TO ME, RESPONING TO A **** TEST IS THE WAY TO LOSE A **** TEST. NOT RESPONDING AND MOVING ON IS THE WAY TO DO IT. LIKE SHE DOESN’T AFFECT YOU. SICKBOY, WHEN YOU DRAGGED THAT CHICK OF YOURS OVER TO THE DANCE FLOOR THAT ****-TESTING HB WENT OFF ON ME HARDCORE!
HERE’S WHAT HAPPENED…SICKBOY GRABBED HIS GIRL AND BROUGHT HER TO THE DANCE FLOOR AND STARTED MAKING OUT WITH HER. I HAD MY GIRL IN BETWEEN MY LEGS…WE WERE HEAD TO HEAD – VERY SEDUCTIVILICIOUS! SO THE **** TESTING HB…LET’S CALL HER HBTryingTo****YourSetUp…COMES OVER TO MY GIRL, WHOSE LOOKING AT ME LIKE I’M PRINCE ****ING CHARLES OF SEATTLE AND SAYS TO HER (WITH ME IN TOTAL EARSHOT):
DON’T DO IT. DON’T DO IT.
IMPLYING, DON’T GET WITH THIS GUY – IT WAS VERY ****ING ON WITH THIS CHICK!
SO…MY CHICK EASED UP A BIT, BUT SICKBOY AND I DIDN’T.
We grab the chicks and pull them to the dance floor, dance for 15 min, and then back to the couches. We’re sitting on the couches and the chicks start ignoring us completely, then start dancing in front of us. They even wander a bit away, but keep checking to see if we’re staring at them. I’m telling 26 that we can’t look over and that we need to look like we’re really into our own conversation. They start doing things blatantly for attention, like grinding each other in front of us. We still just laid back and were into ourselves. It worked perfect; they came back to sit down. This time I talked to 26’s target, while he talked to mine.
I LEARNED SO MUCH FROM SICKBOY IT WAS RIDICULOUS. HE’S A VERY CHILLED OUT GUY – LIKE NOTHING AFFECTS HIM.
This is a good wing tactic, where you talk up your wing to his target, you also build rapport cause when you’re pulling with a wing it’s group activity and everyone has to get along and know each other.
THIS WAS THE CLINCHER FOR THE SARGE IMO. SICKBOY CHATTED MY GIRL FOR AN HOUR AS I DID WITH HIS. WE JUST CONVEYED OUR PERSONALITIES TO THESE CHICKS. WE GAVE THESE GIRLS WHAT THEY WANTED. GIRLS LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHO THERE FRIENDS ARE GETTING WITH. THAT’S A BIG REASON A LOT OF SARGES GET ****ED UP – BECAUSE THE FRIEND(S) DON’T TRUST YOU. HERE, SICKBOY AND I CONVEYED TO THE GIRLS THAT WE WERE COOL GUYS. THEY BOTH LOVED US. IN TYLER’S WORDS – IT WAS LIKE WE WERE ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY. EVERYONE LIKED EVERYONE AND EVERYONE ENJOYED EVERYONE’S COMPANY.
I REMEMBER TALKING TO SICKBOY AFTER ALL THIS ENDED…WE LOOKED BACK AT THIS AS BEING PIVITOL POINT IN THE SARGE. AND AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE EVEN CONFUSED FOR A BIT WHILE IT WENT ON. WE DIDN’T KNOW IF OUR TARGETS WERE SWITCHING, BUT THE POINT IS…WE STUCK WITH THE GAME PLAN AND EVERYTHING WENT WICKED!
LESSON IS STICK WITH THE GAME PLAN! I DEFINITELY LEARNED THAT!
By this time the other HB and UG had been in and out of the set a few times, and had been befriended perfectly. It was crazy cause the HB that had tried to blow us out of the set was now about to help us majorly in pulling.
I THINK HBTryingTo****YourSetUp SAW US BEFRIENDING HER FRIENDS SEPARATELY. THE POINT HERE IS WE DIDN’T LOOK LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO PICK UP. WE WERE GUYS THAT WERE JUST CHATTING. AND THAT’S WHAT IT FELT LIKE TO ME. I WAS JUST HAVING FUN WITH THIS AND ROLLING WITH IT – NOT ‘CONCERNED’ ABOUT WHAT TACTIC TO DELIVER NEXT.
The club was closing and she (HBTryingTo****YourSetUp) asked us if we’d escort the group to their cars which we’re parked a few blocks away cause the neighborhood was sketchy. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Seattle, but what I can tell you is that it’s like ****in Leave it to ****** all over the place; pristine white families with kids running around. I guess this chick liked us and wanted to see her friends hook up.
PRISTINE! LOL!
We get to the cars and realize that they have two of them…Perfect! We go with our set and the other two leave. Even though I’m not hungry I suggest we get food; we hadn’t built enough comfort and trust to go back to the hotel just yet.
The set had been going great so far. We we’re joking around with them the whole night, they we’re really a lot of fun. At the diner we got some crayons and drew pictures of ourselves hanging out together. I forget the name of the diner, but if you’re in Seattle you can still see the pictures, cause we hung them on the wall.
HOLD UP…I’M GONNA DO A SEARCH FOR THE NAME OF THAT ****ING RESTAURANT! DUDE! THERE’S SO MANY WICKED FUN THINGS TO TALK ABOUT IN THIS FR…WE COULD GO ON AND ON!
I JUST DID A GOOGLE SEARCH ON ‘SEATTLE GRUNGE RESTAURANT KURT COBAIN’ – I DIDN’T GET ANY RESULTS. BOO.
REMEMBER THE PIC YOUR GIRL DREW OF ALL OF US DUDE?! WE WERE ALL SITTING ON A UNICORN THAT WAS FLYING TROUGH THE AIR, THERE WAS ALSO A TREE…I REMEMBER A TREE. MAN, I MISS THESE GIRLS.
I had great rapport with my girl, but I sensed attraction was slipping. I need to raise it quick before they drove us back to the hotel, cause it’s too hard in a car to raise buying temp. I opened the adjacent set, fishing for IOIs. I ran that set perfect and got the response I was looking for. My girl immediately perked up and it was on.
THIS WAS VERY MONEY. SICKBOY OPENS THE SET TO HIS LEFT AND JUST USES A REGULAR ****ING OPENER THAT YOU’D RUN ON A NORMAL SET IN A CLUB. HE’S JUST RUNNING THE GAME PLAN LIKE IT’S A NEW SET. IT WAS FUNNY…I THINK THE INTERACTION WENT LIKE THIS:
THREE-SET AND SICKBOY (WHO WAS SOCIALLY PROOFED BY LITERALLY HANGING WITH THE MOST FUN GROUP IN THE RESTAURANT – EVERYONE IN THE RESTAURANT WAS COMMENTING ON HOW MUCH FUN WE WERE HAVING –THE FOUR OF US RAISED THE ****ING VIBE IN THAT PLACE!)
SICKBOY – (RUNS THE DAVID BOWIE OPENER)
HBBrownHot – YOU HAVE THE MOST AMAZING EYES (DOESN’T EVEN ANSWER HIS QUESTION, SHE WAS MESMERIZED BY THE SICKBOYNESS THAT HE WAS. FROM THERE IT WAS VERY ON WITH HIS GIRL IN OUR EXTRACTED SET).
On the drive back to the hotel, I knew that the girls would definitely come up to the room, the only problem was that TD and another ASFer were up there sleeping. I had 26 keep the girls entertained in the lobby while I kicked the guys out of the room.
When I came back down to the lobby I realized that it would be awkward to try and get them back up to the room. I ran a routine to up buying temp and then just said casually, “Let’s go up to the room and watch a movie.” The key here was that I didn’t assume for a second that they would follow, so I just turned and walked towards the elevator. Everyone followed.
Once you get them up to the room, that’s the most awkward part, cause here everyone realizes what’s gonna happen next. It’s tough to make a double lay happen in the same room. I’ve had the experience of doing this twice before; once with TD and once with my natural friend. I prepared beforehand for this by opening all of the blinds and having both the TV and lights on.
THIS WAS SO ****ING KEY. IMAGINE THEY ROLL UP TO OUR ROOM AND IT’S ALL DARK AND THE BLINDS ARE CLOSED? THEY’D JET IF THEY FELT ANY SLIGHT AMOUNT OF UNCOMFORTABLENESS. SICKBOY TO THE RESCUE! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! SERIOUSLY! THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
Though it’s obvious everyone is there to hook up, you still need to make it look like it “just happened.” So what you need to do in this situation is slowly escalate. Each PUA must give the appearance of escalating one step ahead of the other.
For example, I made it look like I was making out with my chick first. 26 and his chick saw this and started making out; so when my chick saw this, she started making out with me. Keep this method going on until each set is having sex. Neither girl wants to be the one that escalates first, so you must GIVE THE ILLUSION that she is escalating. This worked for us, as it has in the past when I’ve done the same with my wing.
HE’S RIGHT. I LEARNED THIS FROM HIM. MY GIRL KEPT LOOKING OVER AT WHERE SHE ‘THOUGHT’ HER FRIEND WAS AT WITH SICKBOY. AND AFTER TALKING WITH SICKBOY THE NEXT DAY HE TOLD ME HIS GIRL WAS DOING ‘CHECK INS’ WITH ME AND MY GIRL TOO.
THIS WAS THE MOST FUN TIME I EVER HAD SARGING. IT’S A GREAT MEMORY.
Definatly, this was a great time. These girls were awesome.
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