education as criteria in judging a woman in LTR?

[STR8UP]

I agree with this statement. Financial stability is important in any relationship.

BINGO.

One of the main factors that will probably kep me from ever getting married is the fact that I would NEVER, repeat NEVER, be with a woman who is irresponsible with money, I don't care how many degrees she has or how much money she makes. It isn't HOW MUCH you make, it's how you deal with your overall financial situation that counts.

So yea, I would rather be with a waitress who has no degree, makes $500 per week, BUT is savvy with money (in other words, she is moving on to better things), than a lawyer chick who makes $150k per year and spends it all on junk.

In our society guidance counselors have instilled the "Go to college or you'll be a loser" mentality on young people. It is true that on average college graduates make more money, but it doesn't mean you can't be successful without it.

The key word here being AVERAGE.

 

[STR8UP]

It doesn't say much. You can tell her level of intelligence and responsibility after about 10 minutes of conversation.

Exactly. I could give a rats ass less about where she works or what her education level is. I'm not interested in any of that. It's the core person that I'm judging.

Most people with a degree will tell you that you need a degree, and to spend your whole life climbing the ladder. Maybe you'll pay off your mortgage before you die.

People who have spent a lot of time in school are proud of their accomplishments, and the last thing most of them ever want to do is acknowledge the fact that they might have been just as well off without it.

What cracks me up (because it's easy for me to see) is how so many people look at their INCOME LEVEL as a basis for judging success. Active income can play a part in building wealth, but it doesn't equate to wealth.

I have never made more than $500 per week IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. But I can rest easy knowing that I have what REALLY counts...assets.

If I were to be so simple minded as to guage a person's relationship value by how many years they spent in school, I could very likely miss out on the girl that totally compliments me, the yin to my yang.

Classrooms aren't my thing. I can stand in front of a white board all day, I just lose interest sitting on the other side.

There is no way I could have sat through 4+ years of college.

Somehow I knew that it wasn't for me, and that my life's calling was out there and I would be ok despite the fact that I was going against conventional "wisdom".

 

[STR8UP]

No offense to those of you without degrees, but there seem to be some insecurity in your posts.. "I put my achievements against anyone with a degree" "i know all those uneducated people making tons of money" and so on..

Uh, I'm not insecure at all.

Not to brag, but I have several highly educated friends who very much look up to me. One of them is a CPA. He asks ME for advice when it comes to money.

Another one has spent the better part of the past decade (yes I said DECADE) accumulating college degrees. He is now about 30 years old AND JUST GETTING STARTED working at a hospital. He takes me out to dinner and picks my brain because although he doesn't completely understand what I do, he knows that I have learned what it takes to accumulate wealth, and that's what matters.

The problem here is that most people don't know how to keep score.

Everyone has their own definition for success. Of course family and friends and whatnot count for a lot, but if you look at this STRICTLY from a financial standpoint, a college degree and a good job DO NOT equate to success.

A degree = ZERO POINTS. It does not put anything in your pocket in and of itself.

A high paying job = scores points based upon whatever portion of that income that you convert into assets.

The only TRUE measure of financial success is NET WORTH. Not how much you make, not how much you spend, but the sustainability of your lifestyle with income derived solely from ASSETS.

Its really all common sense, guys. Does a degree help you make more money over your lifetime? Yes, its a fact.

It is a fact that the AVERAGE person will make more money over the course of a lifetime with a degree. This doesn't account for a certain percentage of people who might have actually earned LESS having gone to college. I would be one of them.

Does an education make you more well-rounded and openminded? Yes, overall, its a fact. However it can also make you much more limited and set in your views.

You take for granted that an education can only be obtained in a classroom.

I can guarantee you that I am a more well rounded and open minded person than 99% of the people in this country. Most of it comes from what I have done OUTSIDE of the classroom, not inside.

 

[STR8UP]

When a person finishes school it shows they have some degree of drive and discipline. They are more likely to come from a better family the more education they have.

Likewise, when they drop out it's an indicator of personal problems.
They are statistically MORE likely to be criminals, druggies, single moms, poor, and so on.

These are FACTS, so who needs to take the blinders off and get a clue here?

Go ahead and statistically analyze your relationship prospects. If that works for you, be my guest.

 

[STR8UP]

i will not repeat this again - not finishing high school is a sign of personal problems - laziness, irresponsibility, drug use, bad family, etc. etc. statistics will back me up.

That's funny. A friend of mine dropped out of H.S. when he was 16. By the time he was 18 he was earning over $100k per year. He wasn't lazy, irresponsible, addicted to drugs, and I happen to know his family personally and they are quite normal.

If you are going to make such a statement at least add the word "possible" before the word "sign".

 

[GirlCrazy]

i will not repeat this again - not finishing high school is a sign of personal problems - laziness, irresponsibility, drug use, bad family, etc. etc. statistics will back me up.

Don't stop repeating that on my account, although repetition doesn't make something true.

If all your relationships with women are based on statistical analysis, then I'm sure you'll do fine. *wink* *wink* Be sure not to date any black or hispanic chicks, as they're statistically more likely to have those same issues.

I do some work in the insurance industry, which views statistics as the holy grail, and in 20 years none of the preppy MBA types I've worked with have ever suggested applying statistics to real life. It's great for calculating premium though...

one thing i've noticed is that the people who drop out often try to make up for their own failure by denigrating the value of education. "it's just a peice of paper" and BS like that. no, a degree isn't just about knowldege and intelligence, it's a sign of dicipline and responsibility.

...and one thing I've noticed is that folks with degrees, most of them making 35k a year, harp on that the only way to be successful like them is to have a degree.

Just to clarify, I'm not against anyone getting a degree. My daughter starts college next year. For some folks, it's the right path to take in life. But it's far from the only path to success. I was just as supportive when she wanted to go to culinary school.

Not to brag, but I have several highly educated friends who very much look up to me. One of them is a CPA. He asks ME for advice when it comes to money.

I'm the only one on my block without a degree. 7 doctors, 4 lawyers, a federal judge and a retired TV producer. They're all really nice people. That's what I like about Spokane. The guy in line in front of me at the grocery store in jeans and a ballcap is probably a doctor.

The neighbors like that I'm home during the day to keep an eye on our street, because they're always at the office. They joke that I'm the only one on the block who doesn't work for a living, but the respect is there.

If you are going to make such a statement at least add the word "possible" before the word "sign".

Everyone has the free will necessary to view the world as they see fit. Personally I find this whole "get a degree or you're a loser" mindset extremely narrow-minded and self-limiting, but it's a free country, and I doubt we'll change anyone's mind.

I guess it comes down to the old saying of "a dog licks his balls as he sees best".

We're all retards anyway, because:

"Arguing on the Internet is like competing in the special olympics. You may win, but you're still retarded..."

 

[Vulpine]

Different strokes for different folks.

I started going to college and held down a full time job at the same time. It turns out, after the first year, I got word that I was making more at my full time job than I would have been with the degree and in my chosen career. It's sick, really, to know that I make more without a degree than a Mechanical Engineer would after having studied physics, metalurgy, mathmatics, etc. I mean, duh, no wonder Japan kicks our but in technology.

But, back to the point. Rather than run up a huge debt that would retard my financial future, I saw it as a poor investment and found something else to do with my newly accquired free time, like, make more money. And, without the college bills to pay, I quickly invested that "loose cash" and now smile a big smile when the college topic comes up. Because, for me, college was a bad investment.

I do, however, notice that women with degrees won't give me the time of day based solely on my lack of degree. Which, as STR8UP is pointing out, is silly considering they have no idea what I've got going on.

 

[GirlCrazy]

It's sick, really, to know that I make more without a degree than a Mechanical Engineer would after having studied physics, metalurgy, mathmatics, etc. I mean, duh, no wonder Japan kicks our but in technology.

There's also nothing that says you can't study those fields on your own time. Knowledge is power...

I do, however, notice that women with degrees won't give me the time of day based solely on my lack of degree. Which, as STR8UP is pointing out, is silly considering they have no idea what I've got going on.

Their loss.

 

[Vulpine]

But, studying those topics have proven to be a bad investment. I have no use for that knowledge, nor do I find those things interesting anymore.

Now, if I took "my own time" and used it to study, say, an investment prospectus, or, used my time to change my clutch and timing belt, re-roof my house, or do some welding...

Knowledge is power, that is true. But the kind of knowledge determines the kind of power. Do I want to win at Trivial Pursuit? Or, do I want to accumulate wealth and independence? And this is the problem. Women use a diploma to find a man who is "dork" smart and full of acute book knowledge, not a man who is "worldly" smart. Good luck telling a woman the difference, so like you said, their loss.

 

[GirlCrazy]

Good point. Since we only have X amount of time given to us, it becomes a question of what knowledge personally benefits us the most. As Bruce Lee said: "Take what is useful, discard what is not".

Still, some fields of study, such as philosophy, are difficult to place a tangible value on, but still provide value nonetheless. "Philosopher mechanic" isn't as crazy as it sounds...

 

[Egoist]

knowledge is nothing without action.

'nuff said

 

[SoCalMike]

That's funny. A friend of mine dropped out of H.S. when he was 16. By the time he was 18 he was earning over $100k per year. He wasn't lazy, irresponsible, addicted to drugs, and I happen to know his family personally and they are quite normal.

If you are going to make such a statement at least add the word "possible" before the word "sign".

is your friend representative of HS dropouts as a whole? no. for every HS dropout success story there are 100 failure stories.

 

[SoCalMike]

Don't stop repeating that on my account, although repetition doesn't make something true.

If all your relationships with women are based on statistical analysis, then I'm sure you'll do fine. *wink* *wink* Be sure not to date any black or hispanic chicks, as they're statistically more likely to have those same issues.

I do some work in the insurance industry, which views statistics as the holy grail, and in 20 years none of the preppy MBA types I've worked with have ever suggested applying statistics to real life. It's great for calculating premium though...

I've dated 2 HS dropouts, they were both lazy and worthless. I've known many and they're all basically of the same type. That's enough experience for me. You can have em, I'll stick with the more classy ladies.

 

[Latinoman]

Do you guys consider education as important criteria when dating a woman in long term? would you date the woman if she is high school drop out ? and you have PhD degree. I do place a high value on education because a well educated, well cultureed woman tends to be more mature, intellectual, methodical in making decisions.

Yes. It is a criteria in my case. Furthermore, she should be working too. If she is not working, then she has zero chance of becoming a LTR woman.

Normal life, I treat a janitor with the same respect that I treat a CEO. Education does not determine the essence of a man or woman. However, when it comes to relationships, I rather have somebody that has the same ideals and understands the value of education. It is called compatibility. It doesn’t have to be a BS or MS degree. It could be a Chef degree. Education nevertheless.

For those of you that think that education means nothing…I assure you, it means a lot. I was a blue collar worker and my life changed completely once I obtained by bachelors degree. It opened the doors for me. And that’s what a degree does; it opens doors.

My master degree? I finished that for only one purpose: more $. And it comes down to that: money.