Dutch sexual freedom may be going too far...

[diplomatic_lies]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world...political-party/2006/05/31/1148956379255.html

Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalisation of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.

The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its web site it would be officially registered tomorrow, proclaiming: "We are going to shake The Hague awake!"

The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to 12 and eventually scrap the limit altogether.

"A ban just makes children curious," Ad van den Berg, one of the party's founders, told the Algemeen Dagblad (AD) newspaper.

"We want to make paedophilia the subject of discussion," he said, adding the subject had been a taboo since the 1996 Marc Dutroux child abuse scandal in neighbouring Belgium.

"We want to get into parliament so we have a voice. Other politicians only talk about us in a negative sense, as if we were criminals," Van den Berg told Reuters.

The Netherlands, which already has liberal policies on soft drugs, prostitution and gay marriage, was shocked by the plan.

An opinion poll published today showed that 82 per cent wanted the government to do something to stop the new party, while 67 per cent said promoting paedophilia should be illegal.

"They make out as if they want more rights for children. But their position that children should be allowed sexual contact from age 12 is of course just in their own interest," anti-paedophile campaigner Ireen van Engelen told the AD daily.

Right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders said he had asked the government to investigate whether a party with such "sick ideas" could really be established, ANP news agency reported.

Kees van deer Staaij, a member of the Christian SGP party, also demanded action: "Paedophilia and child pornography should be taboo in every constitutional state. Breaking that will just create more victims and more serious ones."

The party wants private possession of child pornography to be allowed although it supports the ban on the trade of such materials. It also supports allowing pornography to be broadcast on daytime television, with only violent pornography limited to the late evening.

Toddlers should be given sex education and youths aged 16 and up should be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves. Sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should remain illegal, the NVD said.

The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public and promotes legalising all soft and hard drugs and free train travel for all.

 

[Bible_Belt]

promotes legalising all soft and hard drugs

They are giving the drug legalisation movement a bad name.

Are they for real, or are they in the pocket of the right-wingers? It's the right-wing politicians whom these people ultimately help.

 

[Jariel]

Shocking and sickening!!

I hope they get bombed during one of their parades...or somehow wander into Tianamun Square!

 

[Bvbidd]

You know the first to legalize all drugs, people walking around naked, and pedofelia would of course be the dutch.

lol sex edcuation for 2 year olds.. that's just going to get them curious. That's some sick ****.

 

[Holland]

It's a joke and they're not gonna go far.

 

[SamePendo]

I hope they get bombed

:nono:
Freedom is freedom.

This thread was interesting.

 

[BBX]

The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public and promotes legalising all soft and hard drugs and free train travel for all.

Wow thats halirous.

 

[Morphiex]

next thing rapists wil lform a political party emplying thta girls that walk around alone in the dark are asking to be raped, then murderers will form a political party saying that peopel should be able to kill freely if they want to....
i really hope they all get arrested and get theyr dic'ks chopped off , freedom isent meant to be used as a way to satisfy your sick sexual desires....
fuc'kin disgusting world this place has become....

 

[Jariel]

:nono:
Freedom is freedom.

Sex between clear-thinking adults is one thing, and as long as it's consensual they have the right to freely express themselves. But children need to be protected by the law!

If the law won't protect them, then the people should have the right to protect them...by any means necessary.

 

[Adone]

Sex between clear-thinking adults is one thing, and as long as it's consensual they have the right to freely express themselves. But children need to be protected by the law!

If the law won't protect them, then the people should have the right to protect them...by any means necessary.

Yes, but you also have to admit that it's debatable to say that a 15-yrs-old is a child. Most 13-14-yr-old girls and guys I know are mature enough to have sex with whoever they want. I would increase the punishment for rapists, though.

 

[The Truth]

Yes, but you also have to admit that it's debatable to say that a 15-yrs-old is a child. Most 13-14-yr-old girls and guys I know are mature enough to have sex with whoever they want. I would increase the punishment for rapists, though.

Well the age of consent is 16 in England and its obvious most of them dont have a clue or the slighest ounce of responsibility. Many end up having sex while drunk and dont remember it, many get pregnant. I've heard a lot of young girls who believe you cant get pregnant if you have sex standing up or if he withdraws before c*mming and a lot of other myths and lies guys have fed them.

Manipulating an adolescent into sex isnt too difficult and you have to take things like puberty, peer pressure and naivety into account too because these compromise their responsibility. At that age I thought I knew everything and I made a sh*tload of mistakes I would never make now.

Another thing I have always wondered is why can a 16 year old have sex and raise a child and yet they arent considered responsible enough to drink, drive or vote?!

I agree with Jariel that kids need to be protected but not just from paedophiles but from themselves!

 

[The Truth]

Oh another thing...

In childhood and early teens most of us are taught to respect adults and do what they say and more or less conditioned to fear the consequences of not doing what they ask. Adults have more authority than kids and teenagers. That is fine if they tell you not to cross a busy road or to tidy your bedroom, but what happens when they start telling you to take off your clothes and perform sexual acts? What if they start telling you that you'll get into trouble if you refuse.

Technically if the child agrees to do it, it's not rape.

This is how a lot of paedophile priests get their way. They use their authority to manipulate naive youngsters into sexual acts.

 

[Porky]

there are parties in the United States which promote the idea that white people are better than everybody else, as I'm sure you all know.

it's a political party but that doesn't mean it has any power or importance.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

Hey maybe NAMBLA will form their own political party. How weird will that be?

 

[Adone]

Well the age of consent is 16 in England and its obvious most of them dont have a clue or the slighest ounce of responsibility. Many end up having sex while drunk and dont remember it, many get pregnant. I've heard a lot of young girls who believe you cant get pregnant if you have sex standing up or if he withdraws before c*mming and a lot of other myths and lies guys have fed them.

I know lots of guys and girls in their 20s that are still so naive about sex, should they be stopped from having sex? What about a "license" that you have to take before having sex? C'mon man, most people in college are immature yet are able to have sex, why high schoolers shouldn't?
If you get pregnant it's YOUR responsability and at 14 you should be responsable enough and should be up to you to decide whether you're ready for sex or not. If someone came up to me when I was 14 and told me I couldn't have sex, I would have spit to his face.

 

[Jariel]

A question: are there any children on those political marches? Of course not, because it's not in THEIR interest!

The only people this would appeal to are bottom of the barrel scumbags who stand no chance with anyone of legal age and need to manipulate children.

 

[Bible_Belt]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5187010.stm

Dutch will allow paedophile group

A Dutch court has turned down a request to ban a political party with a paedophile agenda.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

Ouch!

 

[Shiftkey]

I know lots of guys and girls in their 20s that are still so naive about sex, should they be stopped from having sex? What about a "license" that you have to take before having sex? C'mon man, most people in college are immature yet are able to have sex, why high schoolers shouldn't?
If you get pregnant it's YOUR responsability and at 14 you should be responsable enough and should be up to you to decide whether you're ready for sex or not. If someone came up to me when I was 14 and told me I couldn't have sex, I would have spit to his face.

It's the state's responcibility when those 14 year olds can't pay for their children. I don't want to pay higher taxes so that little Johny can legally get his rocks off.

 

[Neptunes]

The Netherlands is a free country. So the court doesn't make an exception on this one. It's still about 'having a voice' and 'making it discussable', and that wouldn't be wrong.

It still would be sick though, if their ideas'd be realized (that just won't happen, period). And they won't get many votes anyway, so that'll keep them out of the parliament.