Duggars

[zekko]

I know this is kind of old news, but I was wondering what the consensus opinion here on SoSuave was. Basically, what happened was, the oldest son on the TV show "19 Kids and Counting", Josh Duggar, had molested his sisters when he was 15. The statute of limitations has run out. There was also another girl outside the family involved, but let's put that aside for the moment. Here's what I'd like to know:

A lot of people have expressed outrage that the parents didn't turn their son into the police and have him removed from the home and put in jail when this happened. Is that what you guys would have done as parents? Maybe it's because I'm older, but I tend to think if it could have been settled and kept within the family, I would have done that, without involving the government.

Maybe I'm wrong though, and things like this are why I have always been reluctant to have children. What do you think the family should have done? And again, forget the child outside the family for now - what if it had just been his sisters?

 

[Peña]

Crimes are crimes. If he did it to his sisters he could have done it to other family members or girls outside his family. These are the same type of people who condemn others but cover up their own family crimes. How is this any different of what Jerry Sandusky or Dennis Hastert did? They all molested underage kids years ago and deserve to be punished. He could molest his own kids or other kids. He should be punished for what he did because those are crimes.

 

[backbreaker]

I've literally cut a hole in a snuggles teddy bear and fricked it when i was 12 lol. You're a teenager you got all this new found testosterone going you don't know what the frick is gonna on. Throw in parents that have 18 other kids to take care of, and a super strict religious family that shuns outsiders, yeah. i'm not really all that surprised. it's sad. but i'm not surprised.

A 14 year old boy is gonna be a 14 year old boy. There's not enough religion in the world to shut out testosterone so the best thing you can do is sit down and teach a boy real right from wrong ****

 

[Peña]

What you will NOT hear is anything regarding the guilt of Lena Dunham molesting her little sister and inserting her fingers inside her baby sisters vagina.

But then, just another example of men = bad, women = good. Where is all the outrage regarding Lena sexually assaulting her baby sister? She even wrote about it in her book.

What he did WAS bad and is a crime. Stop trying to switch the subject to another person making it out to be like it was nothing tp push your false narrative. What she did was bad too. They all should be punished for their crimes. Women and men who do that are bad people.

I've literally cut a hole in a snuggles teddy bear and fricked it when i was 12 lol. You're a teenager you got all this new found testosterone going you don't know what the frick is gonna on. Throw in parents that have 18 other kids to take care of, and a super strict religious family that shuns outsiders, yeah. i'm not really all that surprised. it's sad. but i'm not surprised.

A 14 year old boy is gonna be a 14 year old boy. There's not enough religion in the world to shut out testosterone so the best thing you can do is sit down and teach a boy real right from wrong ****

He should know what right from wrong at age 14. What he did was wrong.

 

[Peña]

You do not own this board Pena. If you do not like my message, then put me on ignore. Otherwise I will continue to open the eyes of others. If you believed that both were guilty and should be tried, then why are you so angry at my post?

In a FREE country with equality, how can SHE not be punished for the crime, but he can? Or perhaps we are not so free after all.....

Because she was not punished you want him not to be punished. Stupid way to look at it. Everybody who does crimes should be tried. It is up to the system to convict.

I am not angry about anything. You are always angry projecting your anger on others. This thread is about Duggar not somebody else. But you want to switch the topic to fit your false narrative again. This is about him not somebody else. Stop trying to switch topics talking of other people of what they did.

They all should be tried and convicted of their crimes. You a pushing a false narrative wanting a molester to walk free for some strange reason. Female teachers go to prison for having sex with students just like they should. He is a criminal and you feel he should not be punished. That is terrible.

 

[Peña]

If you punish only one sex for a crime, that is not a criminal justice system. It is oppression.

False. Both sexes are punished for crimes. Sometimes a person escapes conviction and that is what happens even though it is not right. You are trying make it to be that she was not convicted so Duggar should not be convicted too. That is wrong and is a stupid way to think. They both were not convicted of their crimes and they both should be. Your argument is pointless since they both will not face charges and there is no oppression.

My comments are relevant to the Duggars and the crime committed. The crime of being a man who committed an action for which women are given a pass.

Your comments are not relevant. You are trying to switch the topic to push your MGTOW narrative.

They both were given free passes. So what is your problem? Neither one of them will get convicted of their crimes. Why are you so angry? Female teachers are convicted all of the time for crimes even when they have sex with 18 yr old students.

Lena does it and celebrates it in her book and is lauded. A boy does it and the world calls for his head.

Anybody with a brain would not applaud what they did. They should both be convicted of crimes but you want him to have a free pass.

 

[Crossbow]

Of course there is oppression.

She is lauded and there are calls for his head.....but both committed the same crime.

Walk into any isle in the checkout and you will see angry covers dot the $hit-brained media magazines calling for his head....but nary a peep on the sexual assault Lena committed.

Oppression forms in many ways, it does not have to come in the form of official charges to be oppression.

There is a war on men, and this is the second time I have shown you this fact with data, yet you still rage, rail and screech against it.

You are the beacon of "equality" Danger aren't you the marriage hating divorcee dating MGTOW.

You pretend to "care" only to fit your narrative. For any so-called MGTOW "DJ" they'd be trying/wanting to fvck the same chick yet brainwashing themselves they're for "equality" and then pinning the blame on the "sick female" in a laughable attempt to play "holier than thou". You MGTOW are a sad joke.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Here's what I'd like to know:

A lot of people have expressed outrage that the parents didn't turn their son into the police and have him removed from the home and put in jail when this happened. Is that what you guys would have done as parents?

It's really hard to tell unless I had a son, and daughters, and I spoke to them about what happened. If the son realized he messed up, showed remorse, AND the daughter didn't seem traumatized, I would have left it at that.

What many in the media, and on the sidelines don't realize is that dragging the whole family to court, and in the media, CAN be WAY more traumatic on the kid than getting fingered by her older brother.

Sure, justice is important, but it's purpose is to make right those who were wronged. Not to make it worse on those who were wronged.

At least in theory, anyway.

 

[Peña]

You are taking this thread off topic talking about other people instead of the criminal invloved.

Of course there is oppression.

She is lauded and there are calls for his head.....but both committed the same crime.

No there is no opression because both were given free passes and both were not convicted of serious crimes against others. Nobody is applauding what she did.

Walk into any isle in the checkout and you will see angry covers dot the $hit-brained media magazines calling for his head....but nary a peep on the sexual assault Lena committed.

Oppression forms in many ways, it does not have to come in the form of official charges to be oppression.

He molested his sisters. What about that do you not understand? Of course he should have his ass in jail. Are you condoning his behavior? His family wants to be in the spotlight as squeaky clean role models on their reality TV show but they cover up past sexual abuse in the family by their son.

There is a war on men, and this is the second time I have shown you this fact with data, yet you still rage, rail and screech against it.

You are railing, screeching, and raging here. I said they both should be in jail and you want him to walk free with your angry narrative. You are projecting your anger again because you have taken this thread off topic to start a fight. You do this in every thread. Change the topic, start a fight, whine, rage, attack, insult, lie, play a victim, argue for several pages until the threads gets locked.

 

[Crossbow]

You are taking this thread off topic talking about other people instead of the criminal invloved.




No there is no opression because both were given free passes and both were not convicted of serious crimes against others. Nobody is applauding what she did.




He molested his sisters. What about that do you not understand? Of course he should have his ass in jail. Are you condoning his behavior? His family wants to be in the spotlight as squeaky clean role models on their reality TV show but they cover up past sexual abuse in the family by their son.




You are railing, screeching, and raging here. I said they both should be in jail and you want him to walk free with your angry narrative. You are projecting your anger again because you have taken this thread off topic to start a fight. You do this in every thread. Change the topic, start a fight, whine, rage, attack, insult, lie, play a victim, argue for several pages until the threads gets locked.

MGTOWS see men as never doing any wrongs.

They get off on trying to pin blame on everything else for their perpetual "victim" complex. Pathetic.

 

[ArcBound]

I don't agree with MGTOW, but you two are highly out of place for criticizing Danger because he is a MGTOW.

If you want to argue, then argue against his arguments, not what he said in other threads.

Both of you claim he has some narrative to fulfill. You may be right. But his narrative also has substantial evidence behind it. In criminal court we do see different conviction rates and harsher penalties based on the same crimes. In family court/divorce court we see a bias against men, even with disproportionate merit favoring the man. In media treatment we also see the same thing. Everyone still remembers the Baltimore Raven player who hit his girlfriend and was fired. (Despite the fact that they reconciled and married). I can sure as hell bet most people here forgot about the woman who committed domestic abuse.

Same with this Lena person and Duggar person. Lena personally confessed in her book to molesting her sister yet most major media outlets didn't bat an eye. This guys does it, and for some reason we have the entire society against them.

Pena you said "No there is no opression because both were given free passes and both were not convicted of serious crimes against others. Nobody is applauding what she did. "


False. Even if the criminal courts gave the same judgement (which you call pass, while it was actually statue of limitations expiring and no charges being filed) society itself can render a "verdict". The Baltimore Ravens player also wasn't convicted in a court of law (he took a pretrial intervention program which if completed, would mean the charge wouldn't even appear on his record) yet because public opinion was against him and called for his head, and even despite his wife supporting, he was fired and his career was ended.

Ray Rice also had a free pass from the court of law, yet was not free from the media coverage that could dictate his life.

Lena Dunham molested someone but only received a book deal from it where she is praised by other feminists and even famous people like Taylor Swift. Also, go look how many people retweet Lena Dunham's defense that looking into vagina's of other people and touching it is normal. Then tell me she isn't applauded. You'd be lying.

https://twitter.com/lenadunham/status/528613664182796289

Duggar molested someone and the media is going to make it so he can never survive financially in the outside world.

They both had a "free pass" from the court of law, but reality is going to show what really happens when a man and woman commit the same crime. Sometimes the media can twist the bias against a man for something he did, sometimes the courts twist the bias against a man for a crime he committed, but regardless the bias very rarely goes in favor of the man.

If you all wish to dismiss Danger's narrative based as the rantings of a crazy MGTOW then do so, but it is intellectually dishonest. This is the Anything Else section. This is a thread about a specific case of child molestation. Danger brought up another case of child molestation to compare it to. I don't see anything he did to "hijack the narrative".

 

[Jaylan]

Dont get sucked into arguments guys. Its a waste of time to engage certain posters on this forum. They need someone to argue with or shake their fist at ever since the recent bannings.

Anyways, on topic...that Duggar kid is a disgusting predator to do what he did to little kids...especially to his sisters. Its funny how him, his family, and the FRC constantly rally against gays and talk about protecting children.

The Duggars didnt seem to give a sh!t about protecting children as they protected a molester who finger banged his own little sisters. Nevermind the fact that the cop the family went to for help was a family friend whos now serving over 50 years on his own child pornography charges.

Disgusting.

 

[ArcBound]

I know this is kind of old news, but I was wondering what the consensus opinion here on SoSuave was. Basically, what happened was, the oldest son on the TV show "19 Kids and Counting", Josh Duggar, had molested his sisters when he was 15. The statute of limitations has run out. There was also another girl outside the family involved, but let's put that aside for the moment. Here's what I'd like to know:

A lot of people have expressed outrage that the parents didn't turn their son into the police and have him removed from the home and put in jail when this happened. Is that what you guys would have done as parents? Maybe it's because I'm older, but I tend to think if it could have been settled and kept within the family, I would have done that, without involving the government.

Maybe I'm wrong though, and things like this are why I have always been reluctant to have children. What do you think the family should have done? And again, forget the child outside the family for now - what if it had just been his sisters?

To be honest I would have disciplined my child to the extremist measures. But I wouldn't turn him/her into the police and to jail. Selfish? Yes.

 

[Jaylan]

To be honest I would have disciplined my child to the extremist measures. But I wouldn't turn him/her into the police and to jail. Selfish? Yes.

Even after he kept doing it? And even when it turned out that the man you went to for help was into kiddie porn and molestation himself? Tbh, I would feel forced to go to the police so my child could get real help.

Because it doesnt look like Josh Duggar ever got real help. And who knows if he's never molested his own children.

 

[ArcBound]

Even after he kept doing it? And even when it turned out that the man you went to for help was into kiddie porn and molestation himself? Tbh, I would feel forced to go to the police so my child could get real help.

Because it doesnt look like Josh Duggar ever got real help. And who knows if he's never molested his own children.

As I said I would subject him to the harshest disciplinary measures. How would he continue doing it?

 

[Peña]

From what I read Dunham was 7 years old when the incident occured and it happened once. Duggar was 14 and did it several times to more than one sister. You can not compare the two as the same trying to claim a bias. He should be in jail for what he did.

Of course there is oppression.

She is lauded and there are calls for his head.....but both committed the same crime.

No oppression when she was 7 and did it once. He was 14 doing it several times to several girls and knew better.

I don't agree with MGTOW, but you two are highly out of place for criticizing Danger because he is a MGTOW.

If you want to argue, then argue against his arguments, not what he said in other threads.

I am not criticizing Danger because he is a MGTOW. I am criticizing Danger for changing the topic to fit his false narrative that he does in each thread. This was a topic on Duggar not Dunham who was 7 that he is trying to compare the two incidents to claim a bias.

Both of you claim he has some narrative to fulfill. You may be right. But his narrative also has substantial evidence behind it. In criminal court we do see different conviction rates and harsher penalties based on the same crimes. In family court/divorce court we see a bias against men, even with disproportionate merit favoring the man. In media treatment we also see the same thing. Everyone still remembers the Baltimore Raven player who hit his girlfriend and was fired. (Despite the fact that they reconciled and married). I can sure as hell bet most people here forgot about the woman who committed domestic abuse.

Rice was fired because of the new NFL rules. Nobody is saying there is no bias. He is trying to make a bias that there is not between a 7 year old girl who did it once and a 14 year old guy who molested his sisters several times.

Same with this Lena person and Duggar person. Lena personally confessed in her book to molesting her sister yet most major media outlets didn't bat an eye. This guys does it, and for some reason we have the entire society against them.

She was 7 years old and he was 14. They are a reality tv family looking for money covering up their sons crimes. Both of their stories are beng reported so there is no bias and both are not convicted. No reason for you and Danger to be angry over it with no bias.

Pena you said "No there is no opression because both were given free passes and both were not convicted of serious crimes against others. Nobody is applauding what she did. "


False. Even if the criminal courts gave the same judgement (which you call pass, while it was actually statue of limitations expiring and no charges being filed) society itself can render a "verdict". The Baltimore Ravens player also wasn't convicted in a court of law (he took a pretrial intervention program which if completed, would mean the charge wouldn't even appear on his record) yet because public opinion was against him and called for his head, and even despite his wife supporting, he was fired and his career was ended.

Ray Rice also had a free pass from the court of law, yet was not free from the media coverage that could dictate his life.

It is not false. Any celebrity that does a crime will get biased media coverage. Rice was fired because of the NFL rules that were put in place. That is not a bias. That goes for each player.

Danger is the one who said she got a free pass. She was 7 years old. He was 14 doing it several times. The point is both will not be convicted for molestation and both are being talked about negatively in the media. No bias at all there. He is pushing a narrative that there is a bias. You can not compare the two.

Lena Dunham molested someone but only received a book deal from it where she is praised by other feminists and even famous people like Taylor Swift. Also, go look how many people retweet Lena Dunham's defense that looking into vagina's of other people and touching it is normal. Then tell me she isn't applauded. You'd be lying.

https://twitter.com/lenadunham/statu...13664182796289

Duggar molested someone and the media is going to make it so he can never survive financially in the outside world.

They both had a "free pass" from the court of law, but reality is going to show what really happens when a man and woman commit the same crime. Sometimes the media can twist the bias against a man for something he did, sometimes the courts twist the bias against a man for a crime he committed, but regardless the bias very rarely goes in favor of the man.

If you all wish to dismiss Danger's narrative based as the rantings of a crazy MGTOW then do so, but it is intellectually dishonest. This is the Anything Else section. This is a thread about a specific case of child molestation. Danger brought up another case of child molestation to compare it to. I don't see anything he did to "hijack the narrative".

Feminists and MGTOWs are both the same. They are both Liberal fringe groups who believe the opposite sex and society is conspiring to keep them down waging wars against them.

You are supporting MGTOW and being biased here. She was 7 and he was 14. Big difference. To compare the two is crazy. This was a thread about Duggar but Danger wanted to push his narrative to go after a person not even being brought up in the thread.

Poor Duggar. Duggar molested his sisters several times. Why should he get a free pass when another guy would rot in jail for years for doing the same thing? You people are crazy supporting a molester. Why are you worried about Duggar losing money? He should be in jail for his crimes.

Dont get sucked into arguments guys. Its a waste of time to engage certain posters on this forum. They need someone to argue with or shake their fist at ever since the recent bannings.

Anyways, on topic...that Duggar kid is a disgusting predator to do what he did to little kids...especially to his sisters. Its funny how him, his family, and the FRC constantly rally against gays and talk about protecting children.

The Duggars didnt seem to give a sh!t about protecting children as they protected a molester who finger banged his own little sisters. Nevermind the fact that the cop the family went to for help was a family friend whos now serving over 50 years on his own child pornography charges.

Disgusting.

I agree but did not want that certain poster to go off topic changng it with his narrative. They are all phony hypocrites and say they are good Christians. Good Christians do not do that to their family or anybody. I can not believe that some posters condone what Duggar did and want to change the narrative to what another woman did when she was 7. What a joke.

Edit

Saying there is no bias because a couple random conservative blogs reported the Dunham incident whereas almost every single major media outlet mentioned the Duggar, is once again intellectually dishonest. The biggest outlet that commented on the Dunham was perhaps Time, and Time dismissed the claims about Dunham as coming from a small right wing conservative blog. Pretty much every media outlet commented on Duggar.

Pena, I'm only going to engage in this debate if you don't go back to your previous posts and edit them despite several recent posts already being in the thread. Frankly I can't keep track of you going back and adding different things to your posts. If you want to change the goalposts in debates, then this is not productive for anyone.

I am out of posts for the day so I have to edit. Why is that a problem? I am changing nothing. If it was up to me both should have to answer for their crimes. Dunham was 7 when it happened once. Duggar was 14 molesting more than one sister several times. What do you think is worse and should get more media coverage? You can not compare the two at all. Not true because her story is talked about on the net and are top stories.

You are condoning what Duggar did like Danger is doing too and that is wrong. You both are angry with a bias.The media should report what he did and not let up against him or any man or woman who does those crimes. Sounds like you both are worried the molester being talked about negative in the media. When you do crimes that is what happens.

 

[Jaylan]

As I said I would subject him to the harshest disciplinary measures. How would he continue doing it?

What's harshest in your book? For me, very harsh without going to the police is severe long term groundings after whipping my kids butt hard. Some call it abuse, but a good southern ass whoopin' (spanking) could do a lot of kids some good.

 

[ArcBound]

From what I read Dunham was 7 years old when the incident occured and it happened once. Duggar was 14 and did it several times to more than one sister. You can not compare the two as the same trying to claim a bias. He should be in jail for what he did.

Then read more. Specifically, try her book.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1YZxyHCYAAD1OY.jpg:large

 

[ArcBound]

What's harshest in your book? For me, very harsh without going to the police is severe long term groundings after whipping my kids butt hard. Some call it abuse, but a good southern ass whoopin' (spanking) could do a lot of kids some good.

Partially that, but also find a way to separate from the girls until he knows what he did doesn't fly in the house. Strict monitoring of him too.

 

[ArcBound]

"Both of their stories are beng reported so there is no bias and both are not convicted. No reason for you and Danger to be angry over it. "

As I already mentioned and Danger already mentioned, the scope of coverage was completely different. Which major news outlets covered each story? Pointing out facts those not necessarily mean anger.

"You can not compare the two as the same trying to claim a bias. He should be in jail for what he did."

Yet on page 1 you say,
"What she did was bad too. They all should be punished for their crimes."

As I said in my first post in this thread, those who want equality in the law always show up and proclaim their voice when a man is on the stand, yet when the woman is there, even if that same person believed she should be punished, that person is shockingly silent on the matter.



Saying there is no bias because a couple random conservative blogs reported the Dunham incident whereas almost every single major media outlet mentioned the Duggar, is once again intellectually dishonest. The biggest outlet that commented on the Dunham was perhaps Time, and Time dismissed the claims about Dunham as coming from a small right wing conservative blog. Pretty much every media outlet commented on Duggar.

Pena, I'm only going to engage in this debate if you don't go back to your previous posts and edit them despite several recent posts already being in the thread. Frankly I can't keep track of you going back and adding different things to your posts. If you want to change the goalposts in debates, then this is not productive for anyone.