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Dropping below 10% bodyfat

Quiksilver

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Hey, I'm currently sitting at around 12-13% bodyfat.

For those of you that don't have extreme metabolisms, what tips do you have for a guy trying to get below 10%?

Right now I lift religiously, 3x per week plus abs on offdays.

I'm not as diligent with cardio as I could be.

I eat clean. I cook with butter, I leave my egg yolks in, I eat red meat, I eat fruits in the morning. I don't drink milk, period. I haven't had a slice of bread in ages(only starchy carb I eat is oats).

I'm not as disciplined on weekends.

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What does it take, for the average guy with the average metabolism, to drop below 10% bf.
 

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Eat PERFECT! I don't have an extreme metabolism and I never touch cardio,I'm at 8%.

http://photos-154.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v77/37/27/607222154/n607222154_110682_4683.jpg

It took me about 4-5 months to go from 12-15% down to 8%,it I was also criticized none-stop anywhere I went,my parents though I was crazy to eat like I do but hey it paid off.

People put too much emphasis on sugars,but I know as long as I real sugar,from fruits and veggies(w/o sugar added) I will be o.k. no matter what time I eat them. I also pound down 1/2 gallon of fat free milk a day,but I stop drinking milk 1-2 hour prior to bed. I haven't had ANY bread,pasta or rice in 2 months. I leave 1 of 6 of my egg yolks in.

Dude you can do it,just put your mind into it. Your young and have people on here who have decent advice. Don't be afraid to ask people in your gym for advice as well.

If you don't mind me asking,what makes you want to get to 10% & below?
 

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blinkwatt said:
Eat PERFECT! I don't have an extreme metabolism and I never touch cardio,I'm at 8%.

http://photos-154.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v77/37/27/607222154/n607222154_110682_4683.jpg

It took me about 4-5 months to go from 12-15% down to 8%,it I was also criticized none-stop anywhere I went,my parents though I was crazy to eat like I do but hey it paid off.

People put too much emphasis on sugars,but I know as long as I real sugar,from fruits and veggies(w/o sugar added) I will be o.k. no matter what time I eat them. I also pound down 1/2 gallon of fat free milk a day,but I stop drinking milk 1-2 hour prior to bed. I haven't had ANY bread,pasta or rice in 2 months. I leave 1 of 6 of my egg yolks in.

Dude you can do it,just put your mind into it. Your young and have people on here who have decent advice. Don't be afraid to ask people in your gym for advice as well.

If you don't mind me asking,what makes you want to get to 10% & below?
Wow, nice! That's my goal as well. Last time I checked (few months ago) I was around 14-15%... gotta do re-check. I tend to always change my eating habits. Sometimes I'll be eating good sometimes not, hard to stay consistent.

Blinkwatt, how do you maintain? When you go out how you handle that? I've been curious for a while now thinking if I was to finally get myself in that shape how would I be able to keep it.
 

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Wow, nice! That's my goal as well. Last time I checked (few months ago) I was around 14-15%... gotta do re-check.

It's good to check every month or so,remember to do it at the same time of the day say pre workout or so,you will get different results if your variables are different.

I tend to always change my eating habits. Sometimes I'll be eating good sometimes not, hard to stay consistent.

If you want to hit single digits and stay there and keep going to 9% and below you must eat PERFECT,that means no slacking. If you know you are going somewhere and that you may not be able to grab food while you are out,pack some unsalted peanuts or fruit for the road. There is no room for imperfection. Keep in mind I did it 100% through my eating habits,I don't touch supplements or do any cardio.

Blinkwatt, how do you maintain?

Simple,it's how I eat,I don't think anything of it. Other do because people constantly get on me at work about how I eat,'your young you don't have to eat like that' or 'your already lean,why are you trying to lose more weight'. Every once-and-awhile when they really keep hounding me with questions I just lift up my shirt and show them my abs and they stop asking me questions and preaching to me.

When you go out how you handle that? I've been curious for a while now thinking if I was to finally get myself in that shape how would I be able to keep it.

Simple,you go out to eat,drink milk or water and order chicken breast or a hamburger pattie w/ cheese. Trust me,when you get that look in the mirror at the gym and your veins are going you don't even think twice about eating fake food.

When I left the gym on Saturday a guy tracked me down in the parking lot to ask me some question. He kept asking about how I work out when I kept trying to inform him that lifting is fun and all but what got me where I am are my eating habits. I can tell he cared less about what I tried to tell him about food and wanted to focus 100% on the lifting..........
 

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blinkwatt said:
Eat PERFECT! I don't have an extreme metabolism and I never touch cardio,I'm at 8%.
You don't do cardio, you drop down to 8%, and you don't think you have a good metabolism? What planet are you on?

Quik - going under 10% is doing something your body doesn't want, much like gaining extreme muscle. Therefore there's no room to not be disciplined with cardio or weekend eating. You must do these religiously; also you may have to rotate cardio and cycle carbs more intensively. You may also want to consider a partially ketogenic diet. But first you must get your nutrition down seven days a week, and do your cardio. If you're not doing the basics, you can't expect extremities.
 

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You don't do cardio, you drop down to 8%, and you don't think you have a good metabolism? What planet are you on?
I may have a good metabolism but at one point a year ago I did have a little gut when I ate too much so it can't be that great. That doesn't happen anymore,my abs stay flat but every once-and-awhile the bottom two push out when I eat too much. See Alex here is the thing,the way I eat and lift aren't the way I made them,I took my friend and my bodybuilding buddies advice to heart and listened to anything they said. They have the physiques I wanted and I decided that nothing was going to stop me from getting there. So the way I got to where I'm at works for more then one person,I'm not special. Heck after all,all I did was copy what they do,which they copied from who they wanted to built like.
 

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12% bodyfat (if it is truly 12% bodyfat) is ok.

Train harder, you'll look better. Going under 10% on purpose is too much work for nothing. Focus on the muscle, you'll look good, especially at 12% bodyfat.
 

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blinkwatt - I'm not saying you don't work hard. You eat a very good diet for fat loss and MANY people should eat like you. The only thing is, to get ripped without cardio is indicative of a rare metabolism, not an 'average' one. you're in shape and that's down to your dedication and good work, but doing what you do (6 day split, no cardio) will not work for everyone. for aesthetics it's fine, for trying to keep some strength/muscle while getting down to 8%, it isn't. (and as for copying people you admire that's fine but - if I did Arnold's routines, followed Arnold's diet and took Arnold's drugs, do you really think I'd look like him?)
 

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blinkwatt said:
If you want to hit single digits and stay there and keep going to 9% and below you must eat PERFECT,that means no slacking.

Not necessarily true for everyone: a couple of years ago I had 8% bodyfat for like 6 months straight, without even watching my diet. The only thing I did was some spare lifting and played streetball almost every afternoon (but who doesn't play sports with friends in summer?). I would go out every evening and eat and get drunk without it having effects on my bodyfat.
 

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Are there guidelines for carbs? Like, eating only at certain times or making sure not to have any before a certain time before bed?

What are some guidelines in general for that "perfect" diet?
 

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Zerix said:
Are there guidelines for carbs? Like, eating only at certain times or making sure not to have any before a certain time before bed?

What are some guidelines in general for that "perfect" diet?
the perfect diet will depend on you, your lifestyle and your somatotype.
 

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Zerix said:
Are there guidelines for carbs? Like, eating only at certain times or making sure not to have any before a certain time before bed?

What are some guidelines in general for that "perfect" diet?
I call it eating perfect because I only eat real food,nothing process,no sugar or salt added,nothing I eat touches a microwave and I eat for health,not for lifting. It just happens that the way I eat for my health also happens to work out perfect for how I lift.

As my main food I eat;eggs whites(I leave 1 in 6 egg yokes in),ground beef,ground turkey,chicken & tuna. All are prepared on a George Foreman Grille if possible. Just to change things up every once-and-awhile I add pepper,a tiny bit of organic ketchup or high end cheese(not processed or crap added).

Now those are what my meals consist around,my snacks which I eat around the clock consist of fruits & veggies. Take a look at the canned fruits and veggies next time your at the grocery store,most either have salt or sugar added,try to avoid those if you can. You may want to watch how much fruits and veggies you eat at once because it can cause you to bloat up easily if you eat too much at once.

As for drinks,I only drink fat free milk and water. My lifting buddies(all bigger and leaner then me,but they have also been lifting longer) drink the diet sodas,I don't I sodas to begin with.

My blood pressure has dropped since I've been eating healthy like this and so has my bodyfat. No I'm not special,this way of eating has worked for several of my friends and I. The first couple of months you may not notice much other then you feel better and you muscles heal quicker but once your start losing bodyfat it doesn't stop. Just stick to it and I bet it will pay off,shot it's 3/3 for my lifting buds and I, so I can't see why it won't work for anyone else. I'm 19,and my buddies are 21 & 36 so it's not like we are all the same,so it could work for anyone.

Don't keep track of carbs and calories and that stuff,that will only cause frustration. Eat right and you don't have anything to worry about,you can eat whenever and however much as you like.
 

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blinkwatt said:
I call it eating perfect because I only eat real food,nothing process,no sugar or salt added,nothing I eat touches a microwave and I eat for health,not for lifting\


As for drinks,I only drink fat free milk

I'd love to know the dangers of the magical microwave and where you get your unprocessed milk.
 

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BW is of course free to take his own counsel, however I will offer my own.

blinkwatt said:
I call it eating perfect because I only eat real food,nothing process,no sugar or salt added,nothing I eat touches a microwave and I eat for health,not for lifting. It just happens that the way I eat for my health also happens to work out perfect for how I lift.
there is nothing to fear from microwaves. they boil the water inside foods. if this does not ruin the texture of a food, go for it. now if giving up your microwave oven will force you to eat whole foods, by all means, throw it out the window.

avoiding industrial and processed foods is quite admirable & a worthy starting point, but I don't think you're being wholly consistent here, BW.

As my main food I eat;eggs whites(I leave 1 in 6 egg yokes in),ground beef,ground turkey,chicken & tuna. All are prepared on a George Foreman Grille if possible. Just to change things up every once-and-awhile I add pepper,a tiny bit of organic ketchup or high end cheese(not processed or crap added).
your meats are all processed, to some degree or another.

i may never convince BW of this, but to the rest of you: Don't Fear the Fat! Run out right now and read a copy of "Real Food" by Nina Planck for yet another account of why saturated fat is not to be feared.

Organic ketchup is nutritionally equivalent to any other ketchup. Which is to say, pretty crummy.

Pepper is one of the most basic spices next to salt and belongs in / on nearly everything. You need to explore the variety if you want to continue eating whole foods w/o getting bored.

I'm wondering how you judge the quality of your cheeses..... (my take: as long as it is actually cheese and not "cheese food product" you're ahead of the curve)

You may want to watch how much fruits and veggies you eat at once because it can cause you to bloat up easily if you eat too much at once.
on the contrary, eat as much of these, especially fibrous veggies, as your body demands.

As for drinks,I only drink fat free milk and water.
fat free milk = processed. (especially if it includes powdered skim milk, and there's no way to know for sure one way or the other!) stick to whole milk, or try raw milk if you can get your hands on it. or avoid entirely and stick to yogurt and cheese if your body is "lactose intolerant" (produces little lactase).

add green (or white) tea to your beverage list. as much as you can stand, sweetened as little as possible (i don't sweeten mine at all).

Don't keep track of carbs and calories and that stuff,that will only cause frustration. Eat right and you don't have anything to worry about,you can eat whenever and however much as you like.
now this is good advice.
 
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Throttle said:
i mayl never convince BW of this, but to the rest of you: Don't Fear the Fat! Run out right now and read a copy of "Real Food" by Nina Planck for yet another account of why saturated fat is not to be feared.
unless you eat fat you won't lose fat.. period.
 

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but I don't think you're being wholly consistent here, BW.

Yes I didn't consider some of my foods being processed,I never looked into that,but people told me that the cheap cheese I used to eat was processed so I figured that it was the only processed food I ate,my mistake.

your meats are all processed, to some degree or another.

I didn't notice that,again my mistake.

i may never convince BW of this, but to the rest of you: Don't Fear the Fat!

I never once said fat was bad,I also forgot to mention I eat unsalted peanuts all day long as well with my fruits and veggies.

Organic ketchup is nutritionally equivalent to any other ketchup. Which is to say, pretty crummy.

It's not too bad,but as I said,I only do it to change things up and I normally only eat it in the AM times when I do.

Pepper is one of the most basic spices next to salt and belongs in / on nearly everything. You need to explore the variety if you want to continue eating whole foods w/o getting bored.

Agreed.

I'm wondering how you judge the quality of your cheeses..... (my take: as long as it is actually cheese and not "cheese food product" you're ahead of the curve)

I buy the most expensive cheese I can,most of the time it ends up being Tillamook.


fat free milk = processed. (especially if it includes powdered skim milk, and there's no way to know for sure one way or the other!) stick to whole milk, or try raw milk if you can get your hands on it.

Never knew that,good to know. Thanks,so apparently the meat and milk I drink is processed.

add green (or white) tea to your beverage list. as much as you can stand, sweetened as little as possible (i don't sweeten mine at all).

Maybe others could get away with it,but I'm not a tea or coffee guy,for me it isn't an option.
 

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mrRuckus said:
I'd love to know the dangers of the magical microwave and where you get your unprocessed milk.
I don't think soo much of the dangers of a microwave but rather how food loses it's nutritional value. As for the milk,I didn't know that milk is processed,again I'm sorry for the mistake.
 

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blinkwatt said:
I don't think soo much of the dangers of a microwave but rather how food loses it's nutritional value. As for the milk,I didn't know that milk is processed,again I'm sorry for the mistake.
all milk is processed (unless straight from the cow)

microwaving may destroy some vitamins in vegetables etc, but so does boiling.
 

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Warboss Alex said:
microwaving may destroy some vitamins in vegetables etc, but so does boiling.
I never boil my veggies,but that's still good to know,thanks.
 

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i only recently learned the extent to which you should expect powdered milk in skim, 1% and 2%, at least in the US.

the cholesterol in powdered milk & eggs may be damaged (by heat) in a way that contributes to build-up of arterial plaque. ironic, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powdered_milk
 

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