Dressing like a douchebag

[Slickster]

Dressing up like a magician to score with chicks seems like some twisted Dungeons and Dragons fantasy.

What about pirates? I hear chicks really dig pirates.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I don't know Rollo, does "A" look really imply "any" look?

Some of these men look so bizarre that it's hard to imagine them conforming to an interesting character sought by a group of women.

Freakishness itself cannot be a strong pivot in attracting women, in my opinion.

"Freakishness" to you is mundane to others. Everyone is playing a role by order of degrees on any given day and in any given circumstance. Where I work I'm free to wear jeans and a t-shirt if I so desire, but I opt to dress much sharper than that, why? Because it commands a certain respect, even if it's not necessarily legitimate. When I'm at a club, say, doing a new product launch, my persona and dress changes to match the environment.

A guy like Mystery doesn't go around wearing elevator boots and top hats to the 7-11 to buy a big gulp. I doubt he even wears that getup to clubs any longer; you must remember those shots were taken in his experimental phase. He still peacocks for sure, but it takes far less now because guys like him have distilled the principle down to what draws attention in various situations.

Club hopping in full Gene Simmons stage attire isn't impressing anyone, but that's what a lot of guys without a Look like to poke fun at - the extremes. An extreme douchebag, an extreme Emo, an extreme Orange County Chopper style, etc. make for easy targets, but that's not the point of peacocking. Truth be told, everyone peacocks to some degree. Just selecting a tie or a pair of shoes for an occasion may seem innocuous enough, but subconsciously you make choices and develop preferences for certain items because you think they improve your appearance, and thus your odds for drawing attention to yourself.

There are weirdos dressed like idiots all over the place.

Peacocks, buffoons, whatever. Does it really concern you?

Would you really care to attract the same type of women that these guys do?

Probably not so carry on nothing to see here.

False Premises Hate.

Hater: Yeah, sure, game works well for picking up low self-esteem bar skanks.

A great deal of hate is fueled by false premises. Concocting convenient scenarios, imagining the worst of your enemies, and reinterpreting their successes are a salve for the burned ego. Newsflash: your thin-skinned indignation is not their moral crisis.

 

[vatoloco]

Here.

 

[Warrior74]

I've lost count of the women who've told me their bf/husband/guy they're sleeping with was "totally not my type, but...

but...was he a TYPE period? Not her type means that he was just in a different category. She went from a rapper douche to a gear head, or a smooth player type.

Of course we know also that her type might get her motor running but hubby pays the bills, that's a type as well. Its called beta provider AFC to lingo it up, or a sucker in my vernacular.

 

[squirrels]

I think a big part of it is that Mystery "pushes the envelope". The reason he gets gayer and gayer with each of his outfits is that he wants to see HOW FAR he can take it and still successfully get laid.

He wants to represent himself as a successful PUA to market his stuff. Face it, if he can wear...THAT...and pick up women, you can't really deny his skills.

It's not just about the clothes, either. Look at that picture again...the dude has an entourage. That's going to draw attention. If he walks into the club alone looking like that, people will shy away. If he walks in with four other crazily-dressed dudes "escorting" him and a girl on each arm, suddenly it's a different ballgame altogether. Girls will come up to him JUST to get their picture taken with "that guy" to post on Facebook...some will sleep with him JUST to have a story to tell their girlfriends. (as long as he isn't a total creeper)

I honestly don't think he does that stuff to pick up chicks...I think he does it just to see if he can get away with it.

It implies RISK-taking behavior, something that most people lack. It is, however, something women LOOK for in men to "hook up" with.

Why? Because she doesn't want to put herself out there for just any guy. For women, casual sex is a high-risk behavior. Not as much in the Paris Hilton days, but now with a tight economy even moreso. Women can't afford to sully their reputations among their friends over just any dude.

Sometimes I think women's biggest fear is "picking up an AFC". She doesn't want to throw herself out there for some dude who's gonna stammer over himself and not know what to do with her. She wants a man who has the BALLS to just take what he wants, who isn't afraid to risk rejection.

Men who fear rejection don't initiate.

Men who fear rejection don't get involved.

Men who fear rejection don't f**k well.

Men who fear rejection don't commit in relationships.

Men who fear rejection are quiet, shy, boring guys who are afraid of stepping outside their comfort bubbles.

A woman's biggest fear is to step OUTSIDE of her OWN comfort bubble and be left hanging, ALONE, outside of the norm, by some guy who talked a big game but was afraid of taking the step with her because he was afraid of rejection, afraid of stepping outside his comfort zone.

Mystery LIVES outside of his comfort zone. That's what the clothes say.

And if he wasn't wearing the clothes, his attitude, how he talks, how he carries himself, those things would ALSO say that. But the clothes get your attention.

When a dude dresses loudly like that, he takes on a big responsibility. He has to live up to that peacock image, or he risks utter humiliation. What that outfit says is, "I am not afraid of what you think...I relish the challenge of being awesome enough to get away with wearing this".

Girls get all kinds of moist at that attitude.

As I understand it, he was a wannabe magician.
If a guy wants to be an astronaut, does he wear his spacesuit into the club?

I dunno...military guys love coming to bars and clubs dressed in their uniforms. But they too have significant social proof and usually carry a "I don't give a f**k - I kill people for a living" attitude with them. When you're military, you EARN the uniform. It's who they are.

That's why those Jersey f@gs all get away with wearing the muscleshirts...because they're ripped and not afraid to jump into a fight. It's who they are. If a p*ssy wears that kind of shirt but doesn't walk around like a guy who will beat someone's ass, he's just a p*ssy in a cool guy's shirt.

Now what are the other two dressed as?

I dunno...like I said, they look like entourage. They don't look like they're carrying it as well.

They look like they're doing it more as a direct "Chick-magnet" tactic than to show themselves off as high-risk people. As a result, it doesn't come off authentic. But then a still wouldn't necessarily tell you if you caught them at a bad moment. You'd have to see the stride (long and relaxed vs. short and tense), where they're looking (eyes up as opposed to down, not looking around nerviously), what they're doing with their hands (relaxed vs. fidgety/anxious), etc...basically whether they're trying to be noticed or trying to avoid being noticed.

Do they look comfortable in that sh*t, in other words.

Never said it was terrible. I just said that it was hard to imagine a girl being impressed with that type of garb unless she was pretty immature.

It's not the garb she's impressed with. It's that he actually had the balls to wear it and look her in the eye.

 

[zekko]

Good point on the risk taking, Squirrels.
I guess dressing like that worked for Mystery, somehow.
But you have to admit that is one funny looking picture.

they look like entourage. They don't look like they're carrying it as well.

Yeah, Mystery very much looks like the leader there. For one thing, he's so much taller, he looks like the stilt man from the circus. The other two come off looking like subordinates (that would make them betas, yes?) that got some very bad fashion advice. But I guess they had their success with women also.

 

[Jeffst1980]

http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com

Truth be told, I think that wearing accessories, ed hardy, etc. is tacky as f@ck, but there's a certain demographic that gravitates to this stuff: young, hot women.

Dressing like a d-bag WORKS. Being ****y and rude WORKS. Sure-it's not for all of us, but we have to allow that, when it comes to the 18-24 demographic, your great job, intelligence, and superior conversational skills are not going to be aptly rewarded. Being a "high status male" is a relative thing; the dudes on hotchickswithdouchebags ARE high status males to the aforementioned "hot chicks."

Mystery is pretty cheesy, but you have to give him credit for being ENORMOUSLY successful with a demographic that would've certainly rejected him in his younger days. He somehow found a way to develop a persona optimized to attract hot club girls (to the detriment of other facets of his life, perhaps.), which redifines the notion of self-improvement--you don't need to be "better," you just need to know your audience. It is amusing to hear Mystery sprinkle references to evolutionary biology in with his standard lines of vapid "chick talk," but he understands that intelligent talk generally has no place in a nightclub, and that demonstrations of intelligence are often alienating to young party girls. Just as you can "peacock" without losing your core identity, you can adapt your personality to fit certain situations. We are all "fake" to some degree; we are only disingenous when we claim otherwise.

 

[speed dawg]

False Premises Hate.

Hater: Yeah, sure, game works well for picking up low self-esteem bar skanks.

A great deal of hate is fueled by false premises. Concocting convenient scenarios, imagining the worst of your enemies, and reinterpreting their successes are a salve for the burned ego. Newsflash: your thin-skinned indignation is not their moral crisis.

Ain't this the d@mn truth. No telling how many different experiences in my life that I've missed out on, because of attitudes like this, whether it's rationalization in my own mind or from others around me.

 

[Slickster]

False Premises Hate.

Hater: Yeah, sure, game works well for picking up low self-esteem bar skanks.

A great deal of hate is fueled by false premises. Concocting convenient scenarios, imagining the worst of your enemies, and reinterpreting their successes are a salve for the burned ego. Newsflash: your thin-skinned indignation is not their moral crisis.

Please direct your insults elsewhere. It seems that YOU are concocting a convenient scenario here and using me to get your point across.

I'm not hating on anyone.

 

[Atom Smasher]

One of the main reasons The Cat in the Hat gets away with it is because he is super-tall.

Girls tend to be intrigued by that, and it almost gives him special "rights" (in their minds) to dress up like a d-bag.

 

[Mr. White]

One of the main reasons The Cat in the Hat gets away with it is because he is super-tall.

Girls tend to be intrigued by that, and it almost gives him special "rights" (in their minds) to dress up like a d-bag.

Wow! I was wondering how far I'd have to read into this thread before someone stated the obvious. And Atom, you're right. "Girls" are intrigued by things that "women" understand (and avoid as [if] it were AIDS).

Personally, I'm glad that society is so messed up. Makes it easier to peacock just by wearing off-the-rack clearance stuff from T.J. Maxx and Macy's. So I'm cracking open a beer and toasting Mystery and his friend Croc.