Don't Need Women

[zekko]

There's a common saying around here that you should be able to be happy on your own, and that you shouldn't need women.

There's truth in that, but the fact is any well rounded successful man is not going to be satisfied without having women in his life. Either a good woman as an LTR or a string of women plates who come and go. What kind of guy is going to sit around while everybody around him is gaming women and getting laid? Isn't that the very definition of a chode?

I know there are times when you have to focus on your career or your education or whatnot, and you don't have time for women. I've been there myself, but I'm not talking about those times. Those times are meant to be temporary.

Women should be a byproduct of a successful life. If you don't have women or a woman, I would say that's a pretty strong indication that you're doing something wrong. Can you imagine a guy on this forum bragging about how successful he is but not having any women? If you're living a complete life, you're going to have females in it, unless you're a monk or a priest or something.

 

[Desdinova]

I think that saying is meant more to break down the mindset of 'I need a woman to be happy". I think the woman is needed to bring satisfaction to the sexual and companionship needs of the man. But the desire to satisfy those needs should not be the sole purpose of a man's life, it should naturally fall into place once the man has his other needs fulfilled.

One thing I strive to remember is that a woman should add to a man's happiness. The moment she starts taking away from his happiness, he needs to get rid of her.

 

[Burroughs]

There's a common saying around here that you should be able to be happy on your own, and that you shouldn't need women.

There's truth in that, but the fact is any well rounded successful man is not going to be satisfied without having women in his life. Either a good woman as an LTR or a string of women plates who come and go. What kind of guy is going to sit around while everybody around him is gaming women and getting laid? Isn't that the very definition of a chode?

I know there are times when you have to focus on your career or your education or whatnot, and you don't have time for women. I've been there myself, but I'm not talking about those times. Those times are meant to be temporary.

Women should be a byproduct of a successful life. If you don't have women or a woman, I would say that's a pretty strong indication that you're doing something wrong. Can you imagine a guy on this forum bragging about how successful he is but not having any women? If you're living a complete life, you're going to have females in it, unless you're a monk or a priest or something.

very true

funny thing is I know a ton of businessmen in their 40s-50s who make serious bank but literally have no patience for what dating has become..they would agree with you zek so they rent 1,000$ a night girls and call it a day.

...if more men had the income for this i would say female entitlement would go way down.

 

[Findog]

There's a common saying around here that you should be able to be happy on your own, and that you shouldn't need women.

There's truth in that, but the fact is any well rounded successful man is not going to be satisfied without having women in his life. Either a good woman as an LTR or a string of women plates who come and go. What kind of guy is going to sit around while everybody around him is gaming women and getting laid? Isn't that the very definition of a chode?

I know there are times when you have to focus on your career or your education or whatnot, and you don't have time for women. I've been there myself, but I'm not talking about those times. Those times are meant to be temporary.

Women should be a byproduct of a successful life. If you don't have women or a woman, I would say that's a pretty strong indication that you're doing something wrong. Can you imagine a guy on this forum bragging about how successful he is but not having any women? If you're living a complete life, you're going to have females in it, unless you're a monk or a priest or something.

It's tricky. I think you have to be a positive and optimistic person that has things going on in your life (steady job, finances in order, fit and reasonably in shape, along with hobbies and pursuits that make you a well-rounded person with interesting experiences) before you can worry about having a LTR. The harder you try and push for a relationship, the more likely you're going to either come across as needy, clingy and desperate, or not enforce reasonable standards and get into a relationship with a woman that is not quality relationship material. I like backbreaker's take on this: you have to be process-oriented and not outcome-oriented.

There are all sorts of positive health benefits for couples in functional, happy LTRs that single people don't get. So while no one person needs a relationship, a good one makes life a lot better. Conversely, a bad one pales in comparison to being single.

The only thing you can control is yourself. The more you improve yourself, the more likely women are going to want to be a part of your life. So I would agree that women are a byproduct of living a good life, but too often we make them the focus.

 

[zekko]

There are all sorts of positive health benefits for couples in functional, happy LTRs that single people don't get. So while no one person needs a relationship, a good one makes life a lot better. Conversely, a bad one pales in comparison to being single.

I wasn't necessarily just talking about LTRs, however. A well rounded guy should have some options available to him, whether he chooses to have a steady girlfriend or just date around. I don't see how you could consider yourself well rounded or fully successful without having these options. If you don't have these options you are not living life to its fullest, somewhere along the line. That's what I'm saying.

I, myself, however, find LTRs far more satisfying than spinning plates or a series of one night stands or STRs. But not all guys have that preference.
And for some it depends on what phase of their life they're in.

So I would agree that women are a byproduct of living a good life, but too often we make them the focus.

As Ecclesiastes (and The Byrds) said, there is a time for every purpose under heaven. When you're with a girl, that's a great time to focus on her. When you're out playing softball, that's a good time to focus on playing softball. When you're working, that's a good time to focus on work. You don't have to devote your entire life to just one thing to the exclusion of all else, except maybe for special cases where you're trying to accomplish something particular.

 

[Lexington]

Most guys will want women for something: either relationships or for just plain sex. The drive for sex is one of our most powerful urges. I don't think anyone on these forums is advocating a life of celibacy. The very purpose of this website is to teach how to attract girls.

The point people are making is that one should want women, not need them. There's a difference.

 

[Findog]

So this is really an implicit critique of Men Going Their Own Way?

 

[Boilermaker]

a rare occasion that I agree with the old man.

of course he has to challenge at least one of our tenets before he makes a point.

that's a fact.

 

[Warrior74]

There's a common saying around here that you should be able to be happy on your own, and that you shouldn't need women.

There's truth in that, but the fact is any well rounded successful man is not going to be satisfied without having women in his life. Either a good woman as an LTR or a string of women plates who come and go. What kind of guy is going to sit around while everybody around him is gaming women and getting laid? Isn't that the very definition of a chode?

I know there are times when you have to focus on your career or your education or whatnot, and you don't have time for women. I've been there myself, but I'm not talking about those times. Those times are meant to be temporary.

Women should be a byproduct of a successful life. If you don't have women or a woman, I would say that's a pretty strong indication that you're doing something wrong. Can you imagine a guy on this forum bragging about how successful he is but not having any women? If you're living a complete life, you're going to have females in it, unless you're a monk or a priest or something.

In bold the bits that are DUH. I've been off the market for a year. Why? I wasn't well rounded and successful. Most guys who come here are not. The whole not needing a woman mantra sorta means not beeing needy. I went on my first date in a year last night and while it was enjoyable and I had a great time, if I never hear from her again I'm not gonna die. I'm at the office today emailing clients and I've been out doing sales. My business is whats important, and if she is not a bother, and brings me pleasure she can join my team. What the fuuuck bro? I mean is it Lets State the Obvious Day?

 

[sodbuster]

I'm currently working on a couple items that,if successful will about double my net worth. IF a woman comes along and meets me halfway, I'll date her. BUT don't have the time or the inclination to chase her 'round the world.

 

[backbreaker]

I don't need a lot of **** that i have but it makes my life more enjoyable with it.

Women should be a byproduct of a successful life. If you don't have women or a woman, I would say that's a pretty strong indication that you're doing something wrong. Can you imagine a guy on this forum bragging about how successful he is but not having any women? If you're living a complete life, you're going to have females in it, unless you're a monk or a priest or something.

that's just it. you summed up this whole thing in one paragraph basically. you wanna know when you are successful and catch? when women start trying to date you and stop shooing you down the second you approach them that's when lol

half the guys on this forum "day game doesn't work blah blah" "i went to the club and i approached 10 women and .".. you know what that tell me, it tells me you fvcking suck.


I fvcking assure, if you are a man of value, women have T Rex like smelling sensors for successful men. you do not haven to broadcast yourself they will find you (for those of you who are not into dinosaurs the T rex is supposed to have had the best smelling ability in the history of the entire animal kingdom)


the problem with most guys is that they will not take the time to better themselves to in the long run, make the game easier for them. They are too stuck on "needing a woman"

A well rounded guy should have some options available to him, whether he chooses to have a steady girlfriend or just date around. I don't see how you could consider yourself well rounded or fully successful without having these options.

i can't go that far. as pook stated, you cannot say that success is in getting the girl because that would mean that not getting the girl makes you unsuccessful and rather or not you have a woman or not should not have any real indication on if you are or or not successful.

there are so many different elements to life you just can't put a bionary element on it like that. like when i first got off drugs, i knew i was in a very emotional state and i did not even really try to chase girls for the first 6-7 months clean plus i was still fat lol. but even after i got some attention i did not pursue beucase i knew i was not ready and that i could end up releasing.

or the guy that lives in hickville Nebraska that is by all means a good catch but there just aren't any fish out there. not everyone lives in LA.

The bottom line is that the game should not be all that hard. YOu might go on a cold streak here or there but as long as you can take getting rejected, you should have a steady stream of plates. if you are having hell getting dates or closing or women aren't showing interest in you it's not bv they are scum it's beucase you suck.

 

[Gro0ver]

I don't need a lot of **** that i have but it makes my life more enjoyable with it.



that's just it. you summed up this whole thing in one paragraph basically. you wanna know when you are successful and catch? when women start trying to date you and stop shooing you down the second you approach them that's when lol

half the guys on this forum "day game doesn't work blah blah" "i went to the club and i approached 10 women and .".. you know what that tell me, it tells me you fvcking suck.


I fvcking assure, if you are a man of value, women have T Rex like smelling sensors for successful men. you do not haven to broadcast yourself they will find you (for those of you who are not into dinosaurs the T rex is supposed to have had the best smelling ability in the history of the entire animal kingdom)


the problem with most guys is that they will not take the time to better themselves to in the long run, make the game easier for them. They are too stuck on "needing a woman"



i can't go that far. as pook stated, you cannot say that success is in getting the girl because that would mean that not getting the girl makes you unsuccessful and rather or not you have a woman or not should not have any real indication on if you are or or not successful.

there are so many different elements to life you just can't put a bionary element on it like that. like when i first got off drugs, i knew i was in a very emotional state and i did not even really try to chase girls for the first 6-7 months clean plus i was still fat lol. but even after i got some attention i did not pursue beucase i knew i was not ready and that i could end up releasing.

or the guy that lives in hickville Nebraska that is by all means a good catch but there just aren't any fish out there. not everyone lives in LA.

The bottom line is that the game should not be all that hard. YOu might go on a cold streak here or there but as long as you can take getting rejected, you should have a steady stream of plates. if you are having hell getting dates or closing or women aren't showing interest in you it's not bv they are scum it's beucase you suck.

Nice post and you're absolutely correct, particularly on the last paragraph.

 

[nismo-4]

very true

funny thing is I know a ton of businessmen in their 40s-50s who make serious bank but literally have no patience for what dating has become..they would agree with you zek so they rent 1,000$ a night girls and call it a day.

...if more men had the income for this i would say female entitlement would go way down.

Zuckerberg could have a drop dead gorgeous wife if he wanted. But at that level, it's cheaper to rent one.

About female entitlement, if every man in the world was a muscular millionaire, women would be a whole lot happier with their lives.

 

[zekko]

or the guy that lives in hickville Nebraska that is by all means a good catch but there just aren't any fish out there. not everyone lives in LA.

I live in a fairly small town, and thinking about it, you're right. People pair off fairly early on here, and of course the prettiest girls are the first ones taken off the market. The girls that remain available are the leftovers, the ones that aren't really attractive. I can't say I know one single girl that would be attractive enough to date.

Of course, if you're in your twenties you still have some options. But by the time you get to my age, to get a decent girl you have to catch somebody after they get divorced or split up. Or you have to convince them to branch swing. Otherwise the pickings are pretty slim.

 

[synergy1]

I live in a fairly small town, and thinking about it, you're right. People pair off fairly early on here, and of course the prettiest girls are the first ones taken off the market. The girls that remain available are the leftovers, the ones that aren't really attractive. I can't say I know one single girl that would be attractive enough to date.

Of course, if you're in your twenties you still have some options. But by the time you get to my age, to get a decent girl you have to catch somebody after they get divorced or split up. Or you have to convince them to branch swing. Otherwise the pickings are pretty slim.

Same as around here. Attractive or even average women are off the market and have a derth of options at any time. We talk about the 80/20 rules with men, but I'd say that the same exists for desirable women. A small subset of the most attractive women have all the men suitors. The rest of the women are sort of competing in a sea of average/below average men that they don't want to get with. Hence the frequent branch swinging.

The appeal of the city life is that the average women is 10 times hotter than if you are in a town such as you described. If I could put a number on it, the type of women I can date in the city is 2 points better on the hotness scale ( 5 to a 7 for example).

One thing is for sure - scarcity mentality is much easier to come by once you leave the city.

 

[5string]

I don't agree with this to be truthful. I don't have to have a woman, period. Pvssy does not define me. Sure, it's nice to have one and they serve their purpose, but I'm not a chode. At least I don't think so.

See you at the monestary.

 

[zekko]

I don't agree with this to be truthful. I don't have to have a woman, period. Pvssy does not define me. Sure, it's nice to have one and they serve their purpose, but I'm not a chode. At least I don't think so.

You say that, but you're married. You're not going to go without a woman (or women) if you can help it. It's easy to say "I don't need a woman" while you have your arm around one.

I agree pvssy does not define a man, though.

i can't go that far. as pook stated, you cannot say that success is in getting the girl because that would mean that not getting the girl makes you unsuccessful and rather or not you have a woman or not should not have any real indication on if you are or or not successful.

I still think if you are a successful guy, you are going to want women in your life. If you can't get any, I think that's an indication that there is something wrong in your life, possibly a lack of balance.

there are so many different elements to life you just can't put a bionary element on it like that. like when i first got off drugs, i knew i was in a very emotional state and i did not even really try to chase girls for the first 6-7 months clean plus i was still fat lol. but even after i got some attention i did not pursue beucase i knew i was not ready and that i could end up releasing.

I think that would fall under the category of taking time out to work on yourself.

 

[The Duke]

When I finally realized I didn't need a woman was when I gained the upper hand in this game. ;-) Chew on that for a while, it all comes together and makes sense.

 

[backbreaker]

You say that, but you're married. You're not going to go without a woman (or women) if you can help it. It's easy to say "I don't need a woman" while you have your arm around one.

I agree pvssy does not define a man, though.


I still think if you are a successful guy, you are going to want women in your life. If you can't get any, I think that's an indication that there is something wrong in your life, possibly a lack of balance.


I think that would fall under the category of taking time out to work on yourself.

i think it depends on the guy and other factors. Like, I mean I like women obviously but my libido isn't as high as some guys / most guys. I don't want to say very easily, but i could go 6 months / a year without sex and not really be all that phased if need be. i mean I like sex and i have sex very often and i would miss not having sex but it's not really going to effect my life if i didn't, i will just do something else.

you are missing one very key ingredient about successful people; they aren't driven by the need of a woman. if Oscar Peterson were still writing new jazz songs and could not get a woman I really don't particularly think he woudl give a **** that's just more time he could devote to his music. hell it's material for a torch song. I mean we are all men and it's something that you ovbiously want, but it's not a need. And beucase i know I am successful, I know that it's not anything I'm doing wrong it's just what it is right now.

the only time that a man looks for a woman to make him feel like that is when he does not get satisiftion out of the other things he is doing i life.

and this really should be a new post, it's like the little thing that you get on as a kid in the park where one side goes up and the other one stays down and ****. when people "settle" part of the deal is tht they are told that the right woman will come along, you will have a stable job, you will hvae all these things that everyone else has as long as youd on't rock the boat. So if you settle and beucase of this never really lived out your ambitions, you kida feel like you are owed something by society and you get up there and there is no woman that is really to shack up wtih you even though you did what you are told that can be very damming.

but if you do not settle, if i achieved the things that i wanted to achieve and i am living the life that i really wanted to live, i really do not give a **** if a woman agrees with me or not beucase i'm happy as a punk in the pen. I really don't and that's a level of happiness and confidence that most men will never experience. I have zero qualms about locking myself in a room and focusing on my businesses and my horse racing ventures, no woman means more time to travel, more time to hit up jazz spots, more time to watch classic movies which my wife really does not care for unless it's a popular one, more time to live out my life.


but all of that is dealing in some very very hypothetical situations. on avg if you do what you are supposed to do in life you will have no problem finding a woman. i say that i could go without sex and i know i coudl because i have before but if my wife left me tomorrow i know 2-3 grils i could line up a date with today if need be and if i were on the market again and started talking to women they would be receivership.

 

[zekko]

you are missing one very key ingredient about successful people; they aren't driven by the need of a woman.

Oh, I definitely don't think women should be the focus or the motivating force. I know they were not in the successes I've had.

What I'm saying is that if you've built your success, and you're not at least getting a few dates here and there, there is something wrong. Something lacking in your life, or out of balance. Maybe your social circle isn't big enough, maybe your social life isn't robust enough, maybe you don't have the nerve to approach, something.

While we don't actually need women, I can't imagine a man being satisfied with living a life without them. That is in there on Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs, not at the top, but in the middle somewhere. I always say that even Adam was lonely in the garden of Eden, before God gave him Eve as a companion.

if my wife left me tomorrow i know 2-3 grils i could line up a date with today if need be and if i were on the market again and started talking to women they would be receivership.

See that? You have to throw that in there. Because it's important to you. Because you want it known that you have options. That you're not one of these loser guys who can't get it date.