15 grand a year? :crackup: You act like people can't control the cost of a car... I paid $6k for my car and have spent about $3k on maintenance and my insurance is $498 a year... comes out to about $2k a year I spent since I bought it. What is this talk about having to choose between a pad and a car at 24 anyway... you should be coming out of college with enough earning potential to pay for both plus some by that age.