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Mature isn't about age. My 15 year old son is more mature than 95% of the guys who post in this section. He's smarter, too.

Frivolous is more mature than those who are constantly insulting him. Ironically, he's in a successful relationship and happy, too. Frankly, I think the guys who rag on him constantly are just jealous of his good mood and being content with his life. You know what they say...misery loves company.
 

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Originally posted by ( . )( . )
Nice try but no dice. PLENTY of guys on here in happy relationships that never get a peep from anyone, I'm guessing it has alot to do with him cramming down our throats that you can only be "content" through an LTR. Basically if he/she wasnt such a tard you would feel sorry for his/her total lack of self esteem.

Next flawed theory?
So he only feels content in a LTR. You only feel content being a d*ck. You cram your attitude down everyone else's throat all the time. Basically, you're accusing him of doing the same damn thing you do.

Do you know that the way you behave on this forum has significantly lowered my opinion of men? It really has. I used to trust men unless they gave me a valid reason not to. Now I don't trust men at all unless they prove they deserve to be trusted. You're doing no favors to men when you are causing women who dislike feminism to stop thinking highly of men. It's rather sad, really. I can't help but feel disgust towards the guys on here like you. You give me a valid reason to dislike and mistrust men with your hateful and abusive garbage. Is that the effect you hope to have on women, titboy? Do you want to turn women who genuinely LIKE men against them? I certainly hope that's not what you want to do.
 

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You're repulsive...one of the ugliest individuals I've ever had the displeasure of coming in contact with.

I'm not just saying that, either. Karma is going to be mighty cruel to you...and you'll deserve every bit of the misery that will undoubtedly come your way.

You don't sound cool or bad ass, and certainly not in any way appealing to any woman who isn't a low self esteem slut with no self respect or standards. Even women like that are too good for you. In fact, you just sound pathetic. Men like you is why feminism exists. Your ilk gives them reason to want to lash out and punish men. You're an enemy to your fellow man because all those poor foolish newbies who try to mimic guys like you only get hurt because men like you motivate those women to hate men and treat them badly. Husband everywhere didn't get laid tonight because of men like you. Fathers get left and lose their families, home and half their assets because of men like you. Men who just want to date a woman they work with get charged with sexual harassment and fired because of men like you. Men go to jail for rape they didn't commit because of men like you.

Nice to know you're proud of youself for the damage you do to your fellow man.
 

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Well I do agree that (.)(.) is abit too bitter/harsh about women (it will probably be hard for him to have an LTR), but Wyldfire come on!! Lets face it....all the women go for "jerks" like him, and leave us nice/nicer guys with our right hands. They figure it out after they have been through it 5 - 10 times at least - by then they are 30+, and many times have kids. Why should us nice/nicer guys wait for women who have had their "fun" before????? After they have been used and abused and come out haggard?? They are'nt "good enough" for a "nice guy" at that point IMHO. Does'nt that sound incongruent? Women bring it on themselves.

So it then comes down to the question- do I want to be a nice guy and get sloppy 100's? No. Should I wait for miss hot 21 while she screws around with neanderthals, and then only to realize X amount of time later that they are actually bad for her, and then give me nth place finally (after the neanderthal does not want her?)??? NO.
If I have to take on some of the qualities of the Neanderthal it is because it is reactive to women's nature. If they suffer for it - well it is their funeral. Why should I suffer? Why should the neanderthal get "the best"?

As for giving - only give to those who respect it. And the only way to know if a woman respects you is if she is with you in the first place - not before.
 

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Quote : Jamo
So it then comes down to the question- do I want to be a nice guy and get sloppy 100's? No. Should I wait for miss hot 21 while she screws around with neanderthals, and then only to realize X amount of time later that they are actually bad for her, and then give me nth place finally (after the neanderthal does not want her?)??? NO.
If I have to take on some of the qualities of the Neanderthal it is because it is reactive to women's nature. If they suffer for it - well it is their funeral. Why should I suffer? Why should the neanderthal get "the best"?


sloppy 100's :crackup:

but what you said is 100% true


Lost In Translation :D

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Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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some men find their happyness by sharing their life with one woman

other men find their happyness in exploring the whole world... Me personaly- there is so much on this world to see and experience and that i want to do- i couldn't imagine my self being tied down.


Last night after class (nightschool) me and this other guy ware about to hit the colleage bar and play a round of pull (he was saying he was puirty good). I'm 22, and he is in his late 40's.....he has been merried to a good woman for about 10 years, and has a 3 y/o son. Before we went to the pub he had to call home and make sure his son wasn't waiting for him, and make sure his wife was ok with it..... Even tho I teased him about it, he is not a wuss. He was just checking on his family and making sure his son went to sleep alright.... He is as good as dead in my eyes. He will never go skydiving, or go on a cruze to Alaka again..... Everything he does from now on revolves around his wife and his son. His taking extra classes so he can maybe get a better job..... For some men that kind of life is alright, personaly i couldn't do it.....

If you want a LTR, then yes, be prepared to give, because thats the way relationships are. If the relationships arn't your thing, then take what you can and move on....
 

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Originally posted by spider_007

If you want a LTR, then yes, be prepared to give, because thats the way relationships are. If the relationships arn't your thing, then take what you can and move on....
exactly, it's what you want, it's what you make of it. I know guys who are living the life of your friend who love it and others who feel imprisoned. You need to decide what it is you want and put your best effort into it.

Personally, I don't want a long term relationship at the moment, too many things to do, too much to see. Maybe in ten years I'll be bored of it and want to settle down, although I doubt it.
 

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Originally posted by spider_007
He is as good as dead in my eyes. He will never go skydiving, or go on a cruze to Alaka again..... Everything he does from now on revolves around his wife and his son. His taking extra classes so he can maybe get a better job..... For some men that kind of life is alright, personaly i couldn't do it.....

in one word: YUP

the problem with many men and women today is that they jump into marriages and have kids before they even know what they want to do in life and what marriage/kids are really like.

My longest relationship was almost 6 years. It was a great mature relationship, everything was fine, except that I KNEW that i wasn't ready to take the next step, because I never had a chance to find myself, become a real man, etc.

But when i was 18, 20, 22, i thought i knew it all, was ready, etc.. It all seemed so easy. Well life is not like that. We are often ignorant of whats around us and whats ahead. In a way its easy to ignore everything and just hope for the best like those crazy people who get married at 22 and divorce at 26, but some of us know better.

Anyways, i do believe that they lover/provider theory applies well here. Some guys are genetically programmed to have, love, and protect one wife/family etc. I sometimes wish I was one of those guys, but I am not. I am a hunter/lover/pursuer/conqueror - nothing I can do to change that. Even though i am fully capable of loving one woman, I will always have to live with a fact that I will probably never be able to dedicate myself to her only, just like I'd never be able to work one job for the rest of my life, or be content living as a typical middle class suburban dad.

There are ALWAYS compromises to be made, i guess.
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire
You're repulsive...one of the ugliest individuals I've ever had the displeasure of coming in contact with.

I'm not just saying that, either. Karma is going to be mighty cruel to you...and you'll deserve every bit of the misery that will undoubtedly come your way.

Actually, I think ( . ) ( . ) makes some very valid points and is an honorable fellow . . .

Oh, and I think your pseudo-Jungian judgements about guys here are capricious and arbitrary. There are other forums for bitter crones to huddle around the cauldron and denounce men.



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Originally posted by Egoist
Anyways, i do believe that they lover/provider theory applies well here. Some guys are genetically programmed to have, love, and protect one wife/family etc.
that was necessary for survival (up to the beggining of 1900's and little past...) Man needed a woman to take care of him , and woman needed a man for the same. This is no longer the case. This is where we all got screwed up (millions of years of programing) and why femenists are hanging them selfs with their own rope.............
 

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Originally posted by frivolousz21

you probably are making all of this up.
Trust me lady its really not that hard to nail a 40 year old, maybe for emasculated saps like you its only a wet dream, but not all of us are chumps.....Oh did you mean when I said you and wyldliar are always trolling and have found a new forum where you can both get the most bites? No I was serious about that.

btw I hope you realise this dynamic duo tag team of love , lies and feminist propaganda that you got going on with wyldliar shes the pitcher and your the catcher.
 

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Originally posted by frivolousz21
( . )( . )-


I love you


:cool:
I think he has the hots for you...
 

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1. who controls most of the money in the world?
No one

Originally posted by frivolousz21
2. who gets abused more?
Childeren
Originally posted by frivolousz21 3. who gets raped more? [/B]
Childeren
Originally posted by frivolousz21
4. who gets molested more?
Childeren

Originally posted by frivolousz21
5. who controls the Us senate, house, white house?
Men and Women
Originally posted by frivolousz21
6. whats the ratio of women to men in the FGJ?
Whocares

Originally posted by frivolousz21
7. other then some 1st world countries, how many countries are womens rights the same as men?
Whocares and lot of them like how things are runned.
 

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National Statistics
It is very difficult to gather statistics on a national basis partly because so few victims report the crimes and also because the penal codes vary state-to-state with ensuing variations in how a sexual assault crime is defined. With that in mind the Rape, Abuse, Incest National Network (RAINN) has compiled the following statistics:

Every two minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted. (RAINN calculation based on 2000 National Crime Victimization Survey. (NCVS) Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice)


In 2001, there were 249,000 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. (2000 NCVS)
Of these 249,000, 102,000 were victims of sexual assault, 63,000 were victims of attempted rape, and 84,000 were victims of completed rape. (2000 NCVS)
Because of the methodology of the National Crime Victimization Survey, these figures do not include victims 12 or younger. While there are no reliable annual surveys of sexual assaults on children, the Justice Department has estimated that one of six victims is under age 12. (Child Rape Victims, 1992)

Women are victims...

One out of every six American women has been a victim of an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime (14.8% completed rape; 2.8% attempted rape).
A total of 17.7 million women have been victims of these crimes. [Prevalence, Incidence and Consequences of Violence Against Women Survey, National Institute of Justice and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1998.)
In 2001, nine out of every ten rape victims were female. (1999 NCVS)

Men, too…

About three percent of American men - a total of 2.78 million men - have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. [Prevalence, Incidence and Consequences of Violence Against Women 1998.)
In 2001, one in every ten rape victims was male.. (1999 NCVS)

And, of course, kids...

About 44% of rape victims are under age 18. Three out of every twenty victims (15%) are under age 12. (Sex Offenses and Offenders. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1997.)
Seven percent of girls in grades five to eight and twelve percent of girls in grades nine through twelve and said they had been sexually abused. (Commonwealth Fund Survey of the Health of Adolescent Girls, 1998.)
Three percent of boys in grades five through eight and five percent of boys in grades nine through twelve said they had been sexually abused. (Commonwealth Fund Survey of the Health of Adolescent Boys, 1998.)
93% of juvenile sexual assault victims knew their attacker; 34.2% were family members and 58.7% were acquaintances. Only seven percent of the perpetrators were strangers to the victim. (Sexual assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 2000)
In 1995, local child protective service agencies identified 126,000 children who were victims of either substantiated or indicated sexual abuse. Of these 75% were girls. Nearly 30% of child victims were between the ages of 4 and 7. (US Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for Children and Families, Child Maltreatment, 1995.)

Silent Victims...
One of the most startling aspects of sex crimes is how many go unreported. The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting these crimes are the belief that it is a private or personal matter and that they fear reprisal from the assailant.


In 2001, only 39% of rapes and sexual assaults were reported to law enforcement officials - fewer than one in every three. (1999 NCVS)
Of sexually abused children in grades five through twelve, 48% of the boys and 29% of the girls had told no one about the abuse - not even a friend or sibling. (Commonwealth Fund Survey of the Health of Adolescent Girls, 1998.)

The rapist isn't a masked man...

Approximately 66% of female rape victims knew their assailant. (2000 NCVS.)
Approximately 48% of victims are raped by a friend or acquaintance; 30% by a stranger; 16% by an intimate; and 2% by another relative. (2000 NCVS.)

And he's not hiding in the bushes...
Statistics in this section are from: Sex Offenses and Offenders. (SOO) Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, February 1997:


About four out of ten sexual assaults take place at the victim's own home. Two in ten take place in the home of a friend, neighbor or relative. One in ten take place outside, away from home. And about one in 12 take place in a parking garage.
More than half of all rape/sexual assault incidents were reported by victims to have occurred within one mile of their home or at their home.
43% of rapes occur between 6 pm and midnight. 24% occur between midnight and 6am. The other 33% take place between 6am and 6pm.

The Dangers of Youth

15% of victims are under age 12
29% are age 12-17
44% are under age 18
80% are under age 30 (SOO, 1997, 1999 NCVS)
Age 12-34 are the highest risk years. Risk peaks in the late teens: girls 16 to 19 are four times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. (2000 NCVS.)

The Criminal

The average age of rapists at arrest is 31. Fifty-two percent are white; twenty-two percent of imprisoned rapists report that they are married. (SOO, 1997)
Juveniles accounted for about 16% of forcible rape arrestees in 1995 and 17% of those arrested for other sex offenses (SOO, 1997)
In about one out of three sexual assaults, the perpetrator was intoxicated - 30% with alcohol, 4% with drugs. (Alcohol and Crime. Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1998)
In one study, 98% of males who raped boys reported that they were heterosexual. (Sexual Abuse of Boys, Journal of the American Medical Association, December 2, 1998)
About 6% of rapes involved the use of a weapon - three percent used a gun, and three percent used a knife. 80% of victims reported the use of physical force only, and 10% were unsure. (2000 NCVS.)

The Punishment

61% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police. Those rapists, of course, never serve a day in prison. (1999 NCVS)
If the rape is reported to police, there is a 50.8% chance that an arrest will be made.
If an arrest is made, there is an 80% chance of prosecution.
If there is a prosecution, there is a 58% chance of a felony conviction.
If there is a felony conviction, there is a 69% chance the convict will spend time in jail.
So, even in those 39% of rapes that are reported to police, there is only a 16.3% chance the rapist will end up in prison.
Factoring in unreported rapes, about 6% - one out of sixteen - of rapists will ever spend a day in jail.
15 out of 16 rapists most likely will walk free.

http://www.rainn.org/
 

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Based on Frivolous thread in the Mature Forum (2 years later)...it is pretty obvious that Wyldfire was VERY WRONG with her advice and assessment.
 

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Yeah based on all those statistics I didn't give a damn to read...

Giving is good, but only give to those who deserve it.

People must EARN the right for you to start "giving" to them.

Homeless people - why give? they sit on their asses. They don't deserve anything.

Parents - gave you life. Give all you want.

Girl1 - treats you well? respects you? great sex? :) give back equally

Girl2 - cheats on you? ignores you? withholds sex? :\

In girl 2's case....GIVE THEM NOTHING....BUT TAKE FROM THEM...EVERYTHING!!!!!! - KING LEONIDAS
 

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Dang... Reading frivolous tread in the MM forum and seeing this. It is really interesting to see how two years have changed. Indeed, Wyldfire is completely wrong on this one. He was not happy nor things work out for him. His ideas about life did not hold true. Now he is trying to start over.

Being at an even younger age myself, I have to wonder how well will the future years do to me. I hope my ideas and things will hold, but I'll probably get just as badly kicked around. Hopefully I can prepare better than frivoulous did, good luck to him though.

Though I would say giving is good though. Giving is good, but never give in expectation in something, give to give. There's a thread about a person's thoughts on seduction, he made a very good arguement on giving that says it better than I'll ever can.
 

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Do you really think Friv was wrong? Because his post was more about maintaining a giving attitude, it seemed to me.

Not about whether or not his LTR would work out.

I'd be interested to hear if he still had this same outlook, now, or if he has been turned bitter....
 

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