Don't cardio on an empty stomach

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Originally posted by mrRuckus
is one stupid piece of fruit really going to matter?

oh no i'm gonna go from muscle bound freak to fat slob over night from a piece of fruit.. aahhh!
Actually, insulin surge takes you out of lipolysis.

Do some research. Genetics and phenotype is the biggest contributor to what type of cardio to do.

If you can dial in...some don't even need to do cardio at all.

Muher should know these things to be certified.
 

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Originally posted by tj
Manuva=owned.

for some reason this guy just can't have an intellectual difference of opinion without hurling insults but that is okay...must be insecure about something.

as far as fasted cardio...1000s. 1000s of bodybuilders use low intensity cardio...on a treadmill..a bike tends to put to much pressure on your quads and make it a anaerobic workout for some.

A "real" world trainer knows this.

some have tried hit some others fasted.


Once again..ask yourself..should I listen to maneuva who acts like a little kid when challenged. Or should I listen to proffessionals...It is up to you.
What the **** are you talking about? He didn't insult you at all. You look like the one who's insecure.

And who starts off a post like that? You can't really say you "owned" someone when you haven't even given the info to back it up yet.

I think most people will take manuva's advice (including I) because it actually sounds logical, on top of the fact that he is a professional in this field. Who cares if 1000 bodybuilders have done cardio on an empty stomach? Not everyone here wants to be a bodybuilder, nevermind the fact that every bodybuilder uses different techniques, and some of those techniques just would not work for the average person.

I've done cardio (read: competitive running) on an empty stomach, on a full stomach, and also on a slightly fed stomach. I always got the best results when I had a small snack before cardio.

Thanks manuva for the informative post.
 

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I'm curious, why must it be a water based fruit?

If you ate other natural carbs would that not work (such as carrots, but you would need to eat two to have the equivalent carb/sugar ratio as to one orange)?
 

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Thanks for the tip manuva. I'm gonna try giving this a go starting tomorrow. I'll report back here and give any feedback.

Also, when you brought this up:

manuva said:
PS If you're serious about burning more fat, try shorter periods of high intensity work, rather than LSD. Incorporate some sprints etc, as these will raise your metabolism higher and thus your body will continue to burn more energy throughout the day, resulting in more fat burnt overall.
Are there any benefits to doing shorter periods of high intensity cardio instead of LSD? Also, I see some people saying "low impact" is important. Why is this?
 

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I do morning cardio on an empty stomach but I don't feel starved for food when I wake up (prolly cause I eat tons of chicken and oily whey before I sleep.)

..if someone is hungry to the point of feeling hunger pains..I don't see anything wrong with fruit or egg whites before doing some cardio.
 

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This has always been and will always continue to be a heavily debated topic in the fitness community.

My advice is to just do what you are comfortable with.

If you can do cardio on an empty stomache and notice no lack in the intensity of your workout keep doing it.

If you experience problems with lack of intensity or energy when doing this then you'll just have to eat before hand be it a light or full meal.

Simple as that.

I really think the benefits or lack there of, from fasted cardio vary from person to person.

It may be the optimal approach to one guy for fat loss but for another guy it may not be any more effective than eating on a full or slightly full stomache.

Its something that must be tested by the individual.
 

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After some experimentation with this method I have concluded, just as with most things fitness-wise, it will depend on your individual metabolism. For anyone with endomorphic tendencies fasted cardio is the holy grail. Mesomorphs or ectos will likely do better with non-fasted.

in other ways I agree with KontrollerX. :D
 

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Warboss Alex said:
After some experimentation with this method I have concluded, just as with most things fitness-wise, it will depend on your individual metabolism. For anyone with endomorphic tendencies fasted cardio is the holy grail. Mesomorphs or ectos will likely do better with non-fasted.

in other ways I agree with KontrollerX. :D

So my metabolism has always been pretty high, but right now I have a high body fat % than I probably should (and a bit low in the weight department). Does that mean non-fasted (i.e., no fruit) cardio is for me?
 

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Just a question about morning cardio.

How many calories should I be aiming to burn with it? I started doing it again on monday, and right now I'm hitting over 550kcals in just under 45 minutes, on the elliptical. Is that too intense, or...?
 

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Quiksilver said:
Just a question about morning cardio.

How many calories should I be aiming to burn with it? I started doing it again on monday, and right now I'm hitting over 550kcals in just under 45 minutes, on the elliptical. Is that too intense, or...?
How does your body feel afterward? If you aren't puking up organs just keep on keeping on. I'm usually just a tad hungry after burning around 500 on an exercise bike in the morning. I just drink a protein shake and I'm good for most of the morning.
 

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I trust him, he's Australian. or at least he was 3 years ago when he posted this...
 

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Well this is sort of new for me. Whenever I had the energy to start a morning cardio regimen, it was always a slow treadmill walk, aimed to burn 250-350 cals in 1 hour.

500-600 cals(its usually around 575 but i round down) in roughly 44 minutes is a hell of a lot more intense, especially on the elliptical.

I've noticed a little bit of fatigue so far, but it is something I can get used to. I'm gonna continue this for at least 8 weeks, so I'll let you know how it goes.

Alex always suggested low intensity fasted, while this is moderate/high intensity fasted.

It might eat a little muscle, but since my bf is over 12-15% right now, it shouldn't matter that much.

Aiming to lose 1lb of fat per week, so this will be a fun experiment.
 

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For those that have experimented with empty stomach carbio, doesnt it cause "hitting the wall" aka running out of glycogen too soon and make it very uncomfortable to keep on training after that?
 

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Cry For Love said:
For those that have experimented with empty stomach carbio, doesnt it cause "hitting the wall" aka running out of glycogen too soon and make it very uncomfortable to keep on training after that?
at sufficiently low intensity, no. how intense depends on the individual.
 

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Here's a good little article on morning cardio, from buildingbodies.ca.

Early Morning Cardio

When is the best time of day to do your cardio? The answer is any time! The most important thing is that you just do it. Continuous cardiovascular exercise, such as walking, jogging, stairclimbing, or cycling, sustained for at least 30 minutes, will burn body fat no matter when you do it. However, if you want to get the maximum benefits possible from every minute you invest in your workouts, then you should consider getting up early and doing cardio before you eat your first meal - even if you're not a "morning person." Early morning cardio on an empty stomach has three major advantages over exercising later in the day:

Early morning before you eat, your levels of muscle and liver glycogen (stored carbohydrate) are low. If you eat dinner at 7 p.m and you eat breakfast at 7 a.m., that's 12 hours without food. During this 12-hour overnight fast, your levels of glycogen slowly decline to provide glucose for various bodily functions that go on even while you sleep. As a result, you wake up in the morning with depleted glycogen and lower blood sugar - the optimum environment for burning fat instead of carbohydrate. How much more fat you'll burn is uncertain, but some studies have suggested that up to 300% more fat is burned when cardio is done in a fasted, glycogen-depleted state.

Morning Cardio Benefit #1

So how exactly does this work? It's quite simple, really. Carbohydrate (glycogen) is your body's primary and preferred energy source. When your primary fuel source is in short supply, this forces your body to tap into its secondary or reserve energy source; body fat. If you do cardio immediately after eating a meal, you'll still burn fat, but you'll burn less of it because you'll be burning off the carbohydrates you ate first. You always burn a combination of fat and carbohydrate for fuel, but depending on when you exercise, you can burn a greater proportion of fat relative to carbohydrate. If doing cardio first thing in the morning is not an option for you, then the second best time to do it would be immediately after weight training. Lifting weights is anaerobic (carbohydrate-burning) by nature, and therefore depletes muscle glycogen. That's why a post lifting cardio session has a similar effect as morning cardio on an empty stomach.

Morning Cardio Benefit #2

The second benefit you'll get from early morning cardio sessions is what I call the "afterburn" effect. When you do a cardio session in the morning, you not only burn fat during the session, but you also continue to burn fat at an accelerated rate after the workout. Why? Because an intense session of cardiovascular exercise can keep your metabolism elevated for hours after the session is over. If you do cardio at night, you will still burn fat during the session, so you definitely benefit from it. However, nighttime cardio fails to take advantage of the "afterburn" effect because your metabolism drops like a ton of bricks as soon as you go to sleep. While you sleep, your metabolic rate is slower than any other time of the day.

Morning Cardio Benefit #3

Burning more fat isn't the only reason you should do morning cardio. The third benefit of morning cardio is the "rush" and feeling of accomplishment that stays with you all day long after an invigorating workout. Exercise can become a pleasant and enjoyable experience, but the more difficult or challenging it is for you, the more important it is to get it out of the way early. When you put off any task you consider unpleasant, it hangs over you all day long, leaving you with a feeling of guilt, stress and incompleteness (not to mention that you are more likely to "blow off" an evening workout if you are tired from a long day at work or if your pals try to persuade you to join them at the pub for happy hour.)

You might find it hard to wake up early in the morning and get motivated to workout. But think back for a moment to a time in your life when you tackled a difficult task and you finished it. Didn't you feel great afterwards? Completing any task, especially a physically challenging one, gives you a "buzz." When the task is exercise, the buzz is physiological and psychological. Physiologically, exercise releases endorphins in your body. Endorphins are opiate-like hormones hundreds of times more powerful than the strongest morphine. Endorphins create a natural "high" that makes you feel positively euphoric! Endorphins reduce stress, improve your mood, increase circulation and relieve pain. The "high" is partly psychological too. Getting up early and successfully achieving a small goal kick starts your day and gives you feelings of completion, satisfaction and accomplishment. For the rest of the day you feel happy and you feel less stress knowing that the most difficult part of the day is behind you.

So, you say you're not a morning person? Take heart; neither am I. I can sleep in like you wouldn't believe! But I get up anyway because I know the effort is worth the results. When I have a bodybuilding goal that I am clearly focused on, such as reaching 4% or 5% body fat for a competition, I'm on my Stairmaster for 45 minutes every morning at the crack of dawn without fail. Sure it's a challenge at first, but you know what? After a few short weeks, It's no longer a chore and I'm "in the groove" - and you will be too. Just try it. Make a commitment to yourself to do it for just 21 days. Once those 21 days have gone by, you'll already be leaner and you'll be on your way to making morning workouts a habit that's as natural as brushing your teeth or taking a shower. Once you start getting used to feeling that buzz, you'll become "positively addicted" to it. The more you do it, the more you'll want to do it. Before you know it, early morning cardio will your new habit; you'll be leaner, your metabolism will be faster and you'll feel fantastic all day long!
It's a pain in the ass to wake up early like this, but I'm getting used to it and its cool to start the day off like this. I'd suggest everyone who wants to get that summer six-pack should join in.
 

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Quiksilver said:
Here's a good little article on morning cardio, from buildingbodies.ca.



It's a pain in the ass to wake up early like this, but I'm getting used to it and its cool to start the day off like this. I'd suggest everyone who wants to get that summer six-pack should join in.
what should you eat after the cardio workout in the mornings? if you get hungry.
 

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Hi manuva,
I never went on tread mill with empty stomach. My gym coach advised me so.
I took protein shake or egg related stuff before doing cardio exercises.
Thanks for the sharing the reason behind it.
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