Don't believe in their false hope. Believe the TRUTH.

[Skyline]

I'm talking about PUA's.

That's right.

Almost everything they preach on a daily basis is completely false. The ideology behind Pick-Up-Art-it's is that you can get ANY girl so long as you have the confidence in believing in yourself and that you will experience a lot of rejection so you better get used to it. They are also behind the whole "Look's do not matter" debate as well. As some of you may know, these PUA guys make BANK on these weak-confused guys looking to get better with women even though it's mainly their life is what they should be focusing at. Poor guys and what scumbags preying on those guys...

Now you may thinking: "Where does that leave SS at?"

SS is a bit different. It's like a mix of three different ideology's. You have the PUA's, the self-improvement guys, and then there's the red pill guys. You can clearly tell who belongs to who just based off of what they post. Like PHM and Burroughs belonging to the Red Pill group, TheException and Peaks belong to the self-improvement group, etc... Up until now, I would have considered myself to be a mixture of those three.

But upon improving myself and absorbing more and more Red Pill thoughts... I'm starting to realize that the stuff that PUA teaches is just blatantly wrong. The Red Pill ideology is basically seeing things for what they truly are, good or bad. This is how I remain calm whenever something bad happens to me nowadays, there is no point in getting angry at something that you have no control over. Lately, I've been realizing and experiencing that the stuff that you learn on this forum that's related to PUA ideology is false.

Let me elaborate...

Look's don't matter. Bullsh*t that they don't matter. Now I'm not saying that you have to look as handsome as Johnny Depp or as masculine as Jason Statham, but I AM saying that you attract a certain TYPE of woman. Let's assume you groom yourself, dress to fit your personality, nice haircut, walk with confidence, has eye contact, basically a man with confidence and a sense of value. We'll rate him a 7 for the sake of the example. Now, PUA's will preach that BECAUSE he has that sort of value, he will be able to pick up other 7's, 6's, and maybe even 8's and the occasional 9's. I say you can't.

I SAY that you can pick up other 7's/any other value number if she finds you physically attractive. If you're her TYPE. Meaning she could be Ellie Gonsalves and if she is YOUR type then she will find you attractive and you will basically have a chance to get with her so long as you have decent pick-up skills, also known as half a brain. You cannot attract every single woman on the planet even if you're a billionaire. There will ALWAYS be those select groups that will find you unattractive no matter what you have or do. The type of girl is based off of what your race is and what you were given physically by birth. Why do you think PUA guy's preach that you should be immune to rejection? Because you're technically going after every girl who makes you d*ck bigger regardless if she is your type. You can call this "Going after what you want" but I call it just flat out stupid. Why? You're wasting your time and energy on a girl(s) who most likely isn't even interested in you.

You continuing this "flirty" or "romantic" behavior isn't going to "MAKE" her like you any more than she already doesn't. You guys know what it's like when a whale/unattractive girl constantly flirts with you? You get annoyed and avoid them. You may not look like a whale or a starving adult-orphan, but in her eyes you just aren't her type and that consistent annoying behavior paints a bad picture for you. This is at the point where it just becomes harassment because you don't get the message. This is where you loose before you even stood a chance because you are not the look she is interested in. If you stay true to yourself then this is not her fault, in fact it is nobody's fault except YOUR'S. You keep going after the wrong type of girl who isn't even giving you indicator of interest's and you will be labeled as a "player," "creep," etc... Label's don't matter to me, and they shouldn't for you, but they matter to others. Think about that guys... Keep. It. CLASSY.

So how do you know what certain type of women are for you? Trial and error is one way and the other is INDICATOR OF INTERESTS! I'm not sure if PUA's discovered that but if they did then good job to them! Indicator of interests are probably the most reliable thing you can come by. I'm not going to get into it because the DJ Bible on this forum has countless OP's that explain it better than I do. Those indicator's are INVITATIONS for you to GAME HER. Even if the game is some weak behavior like calling her beautiful and giving her flowers everyday, it doesn't matter. Her physical attraction for you is so strong that it won't matter- well for the first few months. It doesn't matter what you do in the beginning stages of attraction but it DOES matter for the LONG RUN for BOTH you and her. For example I give a girl who finds me highly attractive, because I'm her "type" of guy, a $789 diamond. She loves me for it. But if I were to have given her a post card from Alaska with some cheesy quote, she would have loved it too. In the short run, it doesn't hurt anyone except my wallet. If I continue this behavior then that means in the long run, it hurts her ATTRACTION level AND my bank balance. Which will ultimately result in: "Let's just be friends.." Or "You're a great guy and all.." etc...

I typically attract the cute and or shy girls which means I am naturally attracted to those types. This DOES NOT mean that I'm not attracted to hot girls and vice versa. Example: I find actress Anna Kendrick adorable but I also find Australian super model Ellie Gonsalves hot as hell. If ONE of those girls are giving me indicator of interests then that is when I starting gaming and flirting her. BUT just because someone is attractive AND my type, does not mean you should be gaming them 24/7. Wait for THEM to start dropping subtle body language cues and all of that. Some will tell you to game girls right off of the bat, but I am NOW saying you should not. Why? Because she may not find you attractive and actually find it annoying. If she turns out to be attracted to you by giving you indicators of interest AND you pick up on those cues, then you will have lost nothing by not gaming her right off of the bat. In fact, you giving her indifference will most likely raise her attraction for you.

The only things you should learn from PUA's is: Indicators of interest, how to escalate, how to use banter/flirt, and to be immune to rejection(so you don't look like a jack*ss when someone rejects you). Everything else is pretty much useless and or for "commercial" use.

In short, be friendly to everyone unless they give you indicators of interest.

 

[TheException]

I'm a little disappointed in this post from you Frayzer....a little whiny for your "usual self"...

Look's don't matter. Bullsh*t that they don't matter

We'll rate him a 7 for the sake of the example. Now, PUA's will preach that BECAUSE he has that sort of value, he will be able to pick up other 7's, 6's, and maybe even 8's and the occasional 9's. I say you can't.

I SAY that you can pick up other 7's/any other value number if she finds you physically attractive. If you're her TYPE.

Etc etc.

You are comparing men's physical attractiveness as the barometer of what women actually find attractive and I don't know why. Women won't date Quasimodo, but they don't put nearly as much emphasis on physical attractiveness as compared to men.

I'm not seeking to turn this into the debate about "looks matter", but you are definitely wrong when you say men who are physically a 7 can only attract a female 7.

 

[El Payaso]

Women won't date Quasimodo, but they don't put nearly as much emphasis on physical attractiveness as compared to men.

Yes, they do. Perhaps even more. They're much stricter about it too. If a man isn't of a certain height, he is instantly disqualified in their eyes. That or he has a mountain to climb.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Agree with Frayzer but I want to add something which has been completely left out as if girls were independant thinkers which they are not.

The type you are in terms of look, race whatever have an impact with the girl twice, the first time if she likes you or not and the second type is if her group of friends likes you or not.

Girls decide by themselves 50% probably at the beginning and the other 50% is her group of friends, the more social is the first contact or attending and the more the group decision has weight.
If you are a nerd trying to pick up a girl at school you're gonna get much more sh1t from the group of peer than the girl herself, if you are 30 and approaching a girl at a convention then it will be almost totally on the girl.

Even if you are the type of guy she may like, lets say a 7 with a military attitude but her friends are the "independant women type" which buy the sex & the city propaganda of hipster guys being cool, game and kino wont help much.

While if you meet that same girl 5 years later in a different setting you can get her.

So yeah again, look, size, race, backround all matters and no amount of game can fix a disadvantageous situation.

You are at the club you open to a girl and start dancing with her, at some point her 2 friends meet 3 boytoy type with abs and guido haircut...one of the guys is alone and their friend is with you...how much time do you think it takes for one of them to take her friend "to the toilet" and never come back?

 

[mangotot]

I think majority of PUA has now moved away the notation 'you could look like sh!t and still get the hot girl'. That was PUA thinking from years gone past but now majority of PUA actively advice guys to get their sh!t together appearance wise.

 

[zekko]

PUA gurus pushed that "Looks don't matter" stuff so they could sell their products to more people. But it's come to the point where even they have had to back off of those claims because it was straining their credibility.

The next myth that PUAs push that needs to die: "Having money will actually hurt you with women". Lol.

You are comparing men's physical attractiveness as the barometer of what women actually find attractive and I don't know why. Women won't date Quasimodo, but they don't put nearly as much emphasis on physical attractiveness as compared to men.

I agree with Exception here. Men have many different attributes that can be potentially attractive to women. Strength, money, skill, status, personality, ability to provide and protect, even "game". Looks may be important to women, but there's no way they could put as much emphasis on looks as men do, because there are so many other attributes they can be attracted to.

Men are not built merely to look good and pop out babies. That's the female field of expertise. That's why girls have the dyed hair, the makeup, the pushup bras. Men are built for action. To build, create, and destroy.

 

[Skyline]

I'm a little disappointed in this post from you Frayzer....a little whiny for your "usual self"...



Etc etc.

At this point my posts are probably a little whiny to be honest. Not sure about the others ones since I rarely make a post like this but I'm not complaining about this or any other matter... I've been here for a while so that's probably how my posts are and are going to be.

You are comparing men's physical attractiveness as the barometer of what women actually find attractive and I don't know why. Women won't date Quasimodo, but they don't put nearly as much emphasis on physical attractiveness as compared to men.

No, no, no... I'm saying that there is a certain type that each group of women find attractive. In fact, a certain type of women WILL date Quasimodo while others will find him repulsive. That's what I'm saying.

I'm not seeking to turn this into the debate about "looks matter", but you are definitely wrong when you say men who are physically a 7 can only attract a female 7.

That was the example given... I'm saying if he is a 3, yet has his stuff together, he will be able to attract an 8 if HE is her type one way or another. That is the whole "how is that ugly dude with her!?" thing coming from. The PUA thing would be that since he has his stuff together then he is able to attract a variety of different types but I say he can't because he probably doesn't appeal to the other types as much as he does to that select one/few. That is why I'm saying you should wait for the girl to drop those cues after you have already started talking to her.

Yes, they do. Perhaps even more. They're much stricter about it too. If a man isn't of a certain height, he is instantly disqualified in their eyes. That or he has a mountain to climb.

Type.

And well, there's the whole "women don't know what they want" as well and their body language will give away their true intentions any day.

Agree with Frayzer but I want to add something which has been completely left out as if girls were independant thinkers which they are not.

The type you are in terms of look, race whatever have an impact with the girl twice, the first time if she likes you or not and the second type is if her group of friends likes you or not.

Girls decide by themselves 50% probably at the beginning and the other 50% is her group of friends, the more social is the first contact or attending and the more the group decision has weight.
If you are a nerd trying to pick up a girl at school you're gonna get much more sh1t from the group of peer than the girl herself, if you are 30 and approaching a girl at a convention then it will be almost totally on the girl.

Even if you are the type of guy she may like, lets say a 7 with a military attitude but her friends are the "independant women type" which buy the sex & the city propaganda of hipster guys being cool, game and kino wont help much.

While if you meet that same girl 5 years later in a different setting you can get her.

So yeah again, look, size, race, backround all matters and no amount of game can fix a disadvantageous situation.

You are at the club you open to a girl and start dancing with her, at some point her 2 friends meet 3 boytoy type with abs and guido haircut...one of the guys is alone and their friend is with you...how much time do you think it takes for one of them to take her friend "to the toilet" and never come back?

Gang mentality is always worse for both parties in my opinion. If a peckish whale was approaching you in your group, your buddies would start giving her and you sh*t. If you're what her friends THINK what her friend is digging in regards to type, then you may or may not have an advantage. But even if you're "accepted" then you will always have that charisma and confidence barrier for their "approval."

I think majority of PUA has now moved away the notation 'you could look like sh!t and still get the hot girl'. That was PUA thinking from years gone past but now majority of PUA actively advice guys to get their sh!t together appearance wise.

I'm going off of the PUA stuff in the DJ Bible. And even if that guy were too look great appearance wise, he still typically cannot attract a certain type of girl.

PUA gurus pushed that "Looks don't matter" stuff so they could sell their products to more people. But it's come to the point where even they have had to back off of those claims because it was straining their credibility.

The next myth that PUAs push that needs to die: "Having money will actually hurt you with women". Lol.

Didn't even know that was one of their myths...

I agree with Exception here. Men have many different attributes that can be potentially attractive to women. Strength, money, skill, status, personality, ability to provide and protect, even "game". Looks may be important to women, but there's no way they could put as much emphasis on looks as men do, because there are so many other attributes they can be attracted to.

Men are not built merely to look good and pop out babies. That's the female field of expertise. That's why girls have the dyed hair, the makeup, the pushup bras. Men are built for action. To build, create, and destroy.

Women care about looks to the extent that you simply take care and actually look like you enjoy yourself. When you/her start talking, if you aren't her "type of guy" then she will start from 25(because you take care of yourself). But the more you she learns about your status, personality, and all of that, that 25 can be a 100. But the next guy that IS her type will find it easier even if she doesn't know him that well yet. Obviously status and all of that play a major factor, but I'm strictly talking about looks and types for the purpose of this thread.

 

[mangotot]

Talking of attracting different types of girls, what social tribes exist out there?

I figure, if you could identify the tribe the girl belong to, you could become and dress as part of that clique. Examples if tribes are skaters, rock & rollers, etc.

 

[Mike32ct]

Nobody is saying that women ALWAYS choose the (textbook) hottest guy available, but I do think that women are more particular about the type of look that they are attracted to than men are.

Our combination lock has a four digit number. Theirs has 16 lol.

Women want something very specific when it comes to a guy's looks.

 

[Bokanovsky]

But upon improving myself and absorbing more and more Red Pill thoughts... I'm starting to realize that the stuff that PUA teaches is just blatantly wrong. The Red Pill ideology is basically seeing things for what they truly are, good or bad. This is how I remain calm whenever something bad happens to me nowadays, there is no point in getting angry at something that you have no control over. Lately, I've been realizing and experiencing that the stuff that you learn on this forum that's related to PUA ideology is false.

This, right there, is the essence of the "Red Pill" ideology: recognizing things for what they are and doing the best you can with the hand you've been dealt. "PUA" is "You Go Girl" for men. It's a set of beliefs meant to make you feel good about yourself by distorting reality. It may give you a short-term boost of confidence and optimism but in the long run it will leave you disappointed with its false promises.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Nobody is saying that women ALWAYS choose the (textbook) hottest guy available, but I do think that women are more particular about the type of look that they are attracted to than men are.

That's how I understood Frayzer's post as well. Some girls are into tattooed guys who like bikers, others like the slim 'European male model' type and others yet go for that all-American Abercrombie & Fitch look. Some girls like guys who would be considered ugly by conventional standards but that is unusual.

 

[nismo-4]

Nobody is saying that women ALWAYS choose the (textbook) hottest guy available, but I do think that women are more particular about the type of look that they are attracted to than men are.

Our combination lock has a four digit number. Theirs has 16 lol.

Women want something very specific when it comes to a guy's looks.

I'll expand on that combination.

Men's combination:
1. Is she hot?
2. Is she making me hard?
3. Is she interested and available?
4. Will she be more than just friends?

Women's combination:
1. Does he have a good job?
2. How much attention will he give me?
3. Does he want sex?
4. Will my friends approve?
5. Could I do better?
6. Can I get over 141 likes on Facebook with a pic of us?
7. Is he attractive?
8. Is he taken?
9. How much value does he have?
10. Is he an alpha?
11. What can I get from him?
12. Does he desire me?
13. Does he make me wet?
14. How much will he improve my life?
15. Can he cheat on me?
16. How many options does he have?

 

[JohnChops]

1) Agree with you attract the type of girls based on how you dress,look, etc. For example, a lot of my larger friends attract really shallow and plastic girls. They hate them. As a consequence of them being quite large and being apart of that scene, those are just the types of girls they attract. Quite unfortunate, a lot of those dudes are great guys who don't deserve that trash just because they want to look a certain way.

2) I also hate PUAs. All they do is sell their trash techniques and false hope to people who would just benefit from a high standard of personal hygiene than a PUA seminar.

3) IOIs are.... 50/50, from personal experience. I've had girls throw me IOIs and it led to no where and then I've had girls throw me nothing but I made something out of it myself. Not sure where to go with that one.

4) When you spoke of presents (the diamond versus the card with the quote) I cannot emphasize that point enough. If the girl is already attracted to you, she wont give it a **** what you get her. Also you can say whateveryou want to her. You can totally say stupid beta things or even ****y sh1t and she will still have the same feelings for the at the end of the day (within reason, lol don;t call her a cvnt or anything).

5) Even though you say you only can attract a 7 if you are a 7, I really don't find this true. The rating system is flawed because its quite subjective. You may thing you are a 4 but maybe you're a 6, or a 7/8/9/10, who knows! I think if you go out and aim to have fun, have a positive and confident attitude, that is all you need. People who preach money, looks and superficial things are the only way to attract the opposite sex, are very damaged.

I suppose A+ post there.

 

[SeymourCake]

This is why these forums fell off. The DJ Bible is composed of great post compiled throughout the early 2000s, but now it's just a huge "red pilled" phaggots who hate women circle jerking each other.

Pro-tip: There is no correlation between good answers and the user's reputation points on this forum.

 

[bulked up bro]

This is why these forums fell off. The DJ Bible is composed of great post compiled throughout the early 2000s, but now it's just a huge "red pilled" phaggots who hate women circle jerking each other.

Pro-tip: There is no correlation between good answers and the user's reputation points on this forum.

Why do you post red pill threads @ bodybuilding .com SeymourCake/Poon King?

 

[SeymourCake]

Why do you post red pill threads @ bodybuilding .com SeymourCake/Poon King?

Just to see how the general public reacts to some of the advice given from this forum. I want to know if these advice were legit or if they were seen as crazy from the point of view of outsiders.

It was a 50/50 split. Some people agreed with it, while some people thought it was absurd.

 

[bulked up bro]

Just to see how the general public reacts to some of the advice given from this forum. I want to know if these advice were legit or if they were seen as crazy from the point of view of outsiders.

It was a 50/50 split. Some people agreed with it, while some people thought it was absurd.

And you argue for it in the thread. Didn't you copy and paste another Poon King thread too? Both accounts sound exactly like you.

 

[Poon King]

OP.. there is truth to what you said.. but alpha f*cks beta bucks still applies.

When it comes to sex.. women go with whatever they find most sexually attractive (physically). When it comes to relationships women almost always seek the beta.. whom she can utilize as a resource.

Men like Donald Trump would not have hot wives if they were just regular men with regular jobs. Alpha f*cks, beta bucks.

Acquiring money and possessions to attract women is beta game. Being sexy, confident, bold and aloof is alpha game.

 

[JohnChops]

This is why these forums fell off. The DJ Bible is composed of great post compiled throughout the early 2000s, but now it's just a huge "red pilled" phaggots who hate women circle jerking each other.

Pro-tip: There is no correlation between good answers and the user's reputation points on this forum.

this x1000000. There are a lot of people who hate women here. I miss reading the stuff by Brazilian Blues Boy who loved life for what it was and took it as it came. Reading his stuff makes me happy, reading threads on here make me hate women sometimes.

 

[Eph]

At this point in the game, I don't think you can rely on Indicators of Interest anymore. They're just too easy to fake. So, I agree with guys who say just go for it. As long as you can clearly tell when a girl isn't interested, it's not really a time waster.