Don't ask women for advice on seduction or relationship and here is why.

[DJDamage]

This is a video of some chick dishing out an advice to guys who use pick up lines:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k-7bEMdLsA&mode=related&search=

Now this pretty much sounds like your average typical woman advice which is great because it applies to what I am saying. Here are some of the things that are wrong with her advice that I will refute and it can be summed up for other women advices as well:

1) HER LOGIC - She says don't use pick up lines because they don't work - I got news for her: If a guy wants to pick a woman up, anything that comes out from his mouth is a PICK UP LINE. His goal in the end is to fvck the woman regardless of what he says or comes of looking as. Some of the biggest pimps use the most clever opening lines that sound like as her boyfriend put it "keeping it real" or "nice and friendly". Any guy who uses a pick up line in a "rude manner" or even a so called "nice manner" and turns off the woman, has fault's in his game and not his delivery.

2) HER DEHUMANIZATION OF MEN - One of the biggest reason's many guys revert to even bigger AFC's after listening to what a woman says is because she simply dehumanize men into stupid animals. There is nothing more damaging for a confused guy who is clueless on how seduction works, to hear that a man should not do this or do that because he would look like a stupid obscene person and all the women will laugh at him. It is often the case that those so called "rude and disrespectful" men get the most beautiful ass because they are not afraid of the consequences. Guys who listen to what women tell them word for word and fear the consequences of being labeled a "bad person" gets the fugly girl in the end of the table no one wants.

3) Being a hypocrite - I noticed that this woman says she can't stand the fact the she is being approached all the time and "it is a serious problem". Now first of men should and will approach any women they find attractive and its not a man's problem if a woman doesn't like this interaction. Again it brings me back to my second point where guys who apporach all the time get more ass while guys who don't approach very often because they think women don't like it and wait for the right moment using some sort of apologetic submissive non-threatening method often only get the fugly girl.
Trust me any women will rather want being approached by different men all the time then not being approached at all (can't have your cake an eat it too, if you don't want to be approach by strange men in western society go wear a barqa) The hidden hypocricy is that women actually only LIKE BEING APPROACHED BY GUYS THEY FIND ATTRACTIVE and in order to find if a woman finds you an attractive YOU HAVE TO APPROACH! and maybe make her uncomfortable for 5 seconds if she doesn't like you. Think of this: It is Men who have to go up to a women and put their ego's on the line NOT WOMEN! Do you think many women give a sh1t that they just rejected a man and thus hurt his self-esteem?? The answer is no and therefore if a man's ego can take a slight brusing from a rejection, a woman can put up with slight annoyance from an attempt pick up.

 

[penkitten]

oh damage, we dont all suck that bad do we?

 

[squirrels]

Women don't like being approached by men.

That they don't find attractive.

It's another example of how they fudge up their heads...They reject men they're not attracted to, then CONVINCE themselves that it's not because the men are unattractive, but because they're "sick of being approached". Once she's come up with this neat little explanation, all men are sick and they all get rejected.

Guys do the same thing. They refuse to approach women, make an excuse for it, then use that excuse as a reason to further justify the abberant behavior.

When will we learn to stop f'ing ourselves in the head?

 

[DJDamage]

oh damage, we dont all suck that bad do we?

I never said women suck. I will add that women advice intention is often genuine in helping a guy out but in the long terms have the reverse effects. When a woman gives out an advice she often tries to use logic but cannot admit to herself that she is often hijacked by her own emotions that dictates her actions in the end.

 

[joekerr31]

women are the weaker sex and any advice they give is based on the perspective of the submissive.

sure, you can chalk that statement up to me being a chauvanist or something, but even the most sucessful strong women i know are inherently weaker than an alpha man and they admit. hell, their biggest complain is that they want a 'strong' man who leads - even the strongest women ultimately want to submit to a stronger man.

so.... any m an taking advice from a woman, no matter how well intentioned she is, is like going to a poet to ask about how you can become a better gladiator. the poet will have all kinds of brilliant well versed ideas, and may even convince you they know what they are talking about, BUT they dont. if you want to learn to become a better gladiator, then go talk to a gladiator.

the bigger question in the world today, i think, is HOW the hell did women get so brash and think they know everything about everything.

f*cking oprah has got them running around like monkies with shotguns. hehe.

i will finish with one caveat. i have met 'male' women who give great advice. these women typically think like males, tend to see the bullsh*t associated with the female world, and will give you priceless advice on how to deal with all kinds of different women.

these women are like spies. they've lived with the enemy their whole lives but are actually on your side. they know intimately how the enemy thinks and are happy to tell you everything about anything you want to know. wondering if that chic who smiled at you was just smiling or if she was interested - ask the 'male' female and she'll tell you exactly what she is actually doing.

i know a few women like this, and let me tell you, they are a god sent. they are one of many advantages men have. there are very few (if any) spies from the male side who reveal our inner world to women. women sometimes think 'gay' men are like spies that they can find out all kinds of 'male' related insights from, but good luck - gay guys are just women with d*cks and couldn't tell you how straight men think if you gave them a million bucks.

 

[penkitten]

1. everyone falls for pickup lines if they find the person using the lines attractive or interesting.
2. some women are just bit ches and every guy needs to know that before he starts trying to pick them up. someone is going to turn you down, where someone else is going to go for you. its a 50/50 chance every time.
3.all women like to be approached. its an ego boost. by saying she doesnt like it, she is trying to either be modest or in the case you explained, be a bi tch again.


when i was really young, i would always get very nervous when someone would come up and hit on me at a club. if i just got there, i had to down three beers before i could get out on the dance floor. i had no self esteem what so ever. so if a guy would come up and ask me to dance, i would tell him that i wanted to finish my beer first. i needed to drink that beer to get the courage up to get on the dance floor, but they saw it as if i were being rude. however i wasnt trying to be rude at all. i used my nice sweet voice and tried to explain that i couldnt dance very well and had to drink my beer first.

now the guys that would walk off pissed off, never approached me again. but the ones that were sweet to me, i would ask them if they wanted to sit and talk to me and whichever girlfriend i was there with , or ask them if they would come back in a little while and we could dance then.
if they sat down, we usually got to talking and i would be out on the floor fast. or if they came back, i would right out on the dance floor with them.

guys, try not to get your egos bruised, sometimes women have low self esteem too.

 

[joekerr31]

penkitten, great post.

what basically happens is...

man is scared sh*tless
man works up courage to go talk to woman
man talks to woman
woman smiles and declines politely (often just for the moment, interested, but not RIGHT that moment).
man gets pissed that overcoming his fears lead to nothing but (perceived) failure
woman wonders why the hell her simple response was met with such a crazy reaction.

result:
woman: anxiety over being approached by men (who knows WHAT is going to happen)
man: anxiety remains over rejection

solution:

woman: learn how to shut guys down politely. men DO NOT get upset over rejection. they get upset because most women don't politely say "hey, thanks for the offer, unfortunately i'm with someone. it was nice of you to come talk to me though." i've seen women respond like this and the guy walks away with a big smile on his face. most women however respond with "ummm (pause) (looks down) no thanks (turns body away from man and looks away)." women do this because they are afraid of confrontation, but the man sees it as her discarding him as less than a human being (ie. 'ugh, get out of here, how dare you think you are even worthy of talking to me.)

men: just accept you're going to have to deal with 10 *****es for every quality woman you find out there. and also remember that often women aren't 'throwing you away' or treating you less than human - often they fear confrontation. If you've ever seen a woman turn a guy down and then watch him go off on her about 'ohhh, im not good enough for you? what a *****" as he walks away you'd understand why women might get anxiety when it comes to turning men down.

 

[penkitten]

good post jokerr

 

[Victory Unlimited]

On the subject of pickup lines...Well, there's really NO SUCH THING as a corny line...if it works. lol

A woman's interest level in the man that approaches her is the primary deciding factor of whether or not that man's approach is REJECTION-worthy or not.

I've often used the same verbage in approaches to 10 different women (this is a strategy that many here call DIRECT game). The only real difference is whether I'm that woman's type or not.

So, as DJDamage said...the same approach actions that the video chick claims to despise would actually prove incredibly attractive to her if she was interested ENOUGH in the guy.

 

[DJDamage]

the same approach actions that the video chick claims to despise would actually prove incredibly attractive to her if she was interested ENOUGH in the guy.

Sort of reminds me of this video parody from SNL about sexual harassment. Its not a harassment if the woman likes you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UERd1EgwiEo

 

[jonwon]

This is a video of some chick dishing out an advice to guys who use pick up lines:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k-7bEMdLsA&mode=related&search=

Now this pretty much sounds like your average typical woman advice which is great because it applies to what I am saying. Here are some of the things that are wrong with her advice that I will refute and it can be summed up for other women advices as well:

1) HER LOGIC - She says don't use pick up lines because they don't work - I got news for her: If a guy wants to pick a woman up, anything that comes out from his mouth is a PICK UP LINE. His goal in the end is to fvck the woman regardless of what he says or comes of looking as. Some of the biggest pimps use the most clever opening lines that sound like as her boyfriend put it "keeping it real" or "nice and friendly". Any guy who uses a pick up line in a "rude manner" or even a so called "nice manner" and turns off the woman, has fault's in his game and not his delivery.

2) HER DEHUMANIZATION OF MEN - One of the biggest reason's many guys revert to even bigger AFC's after listening to what a woman says is because she simply dehumanize men into stupid animals. There is nothing more damaging for a confused guy who is clueless on how seduction works, to hear that a man should not do this or do that because he would look like a stupid obscene person and all the women will laugh at him. It is often the case that those so called "rude and disrespectful" men get the most beautiful ass because they are not afraid of the consequences. Guys who listen to what women tell them word for word and fear the consequences of being labeled a "bad person" gets the fugly girl in the end of the table no one wants.

3) Being a hypocrite - I noticed that this woman says she can't stand the fact the she is being approached all the time and "it is a serious problem". Now first of men should and will approach any women they find attractive and its not a man's problem if a woman doesn't like this interaction. Again it brings me back to my second point where guys who apporach all the time get more ass while guys who don't approach very often because they think women don't like it and wait for the right moment using some sort of apologetic submissive non-threatening method often only get the fugly girl.
Trust me any women will rather want being approached by different men all the time then not being approached at all (can't have your cake an eat it too, if you don't want to be approach by strange men in western society go wear a barqa) The hidden hypocricy is that women actually only LIKE BEING APPROACHED BY GUYS THEY FIND ATTRACTIVE and in order to find if a woman finds you an attractive YOU HAVE TO APPROACH! and maybe make her uncomfortable for 5 seconds if she doesn't like you. Think of this: It is Men who have to go up to a women and put their ego's on the line NOT WOMEN! Do you think many women give a sh1t that they just rejected a man and thus hurt his self-esteem?? The answer is no and therefore if a man's ego can take a slight brusing from a rejection, a woman can put up with slight annoyance from an attempt pick up.

I find most women that offer advice are simply trying to get validation from other women.

There advice is pocketed with references to them getting cahtted up 24/7, they make it out like they have the rules and the golden pus*y, when in fact most men that are clued up know the women would fuc* a guy if he came up to her drunk on a dance floor and she liked his look and was in the 'mood'.

never listen to what comes out of the female species in regards to what men should do! Since when men are supposed to do it is pocketed with references to her being the golden pus*y award winner 2007! I.e look at me girls i am popular!

Anway, if they where not the average western women type BS that they always spout it would not be about what men can and cant do it would be about, how she can try to act to attract more men, i.e other places where men dont worship pus*y!

Regardless whislt she is saying the same old stuff, the male interview should be saying.

And girls:
Dont wear hoop hearings.
Make sure when you dye your hair i cant see the roots.
Smell good.
Yes we like make-up that suits your style.
Laugh at our jokes even if there not funny.
Smile at a guy first and give him eye contact.

Listening to advice from the western women on how to pick them up is not a wise idea, since alot of them think they are sat on a gold mine.

Fat chicks would not come out with the same dribble, only the puss* worshipped come out with it even though there just as slutt* as the next, period.

Not all women mind its the ones who clearly want some ego validation from the advice.

 

[joekerr31]

Sort of reminds me of this video parody from SNL about sexual harassment. Its not a harassment if the woman likes you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UERd1EgwiEo

:crackup: :crackup:

freaking hilarious.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

The problem is most guys simply parrot the words women have told them over the years when they asked them "What do women want in a guy?" and then think the advice MUST work since they got it from the horse's mouth. Unfortunately, too many guys, especially recently, have bought the same line women have been telling for ages thinking it's a way to put themselves at an advantage when all it does is disqualify not only them, but the poor suckers who hear 'chick advice' from another guy and the cycle continues.

In all honesty, I really think the 'chick advice' phenomenon is a socio-evolutionary fail-safe device meant to filter women's selection process of less desirable men from more desirable (competition worthy) men. On some level of consciousness women know they're full of sh!t when they offer up the 'standard' chick advice this article illustrated. They know they're being less than genuine when they see this advice regularly betrayed by their own behaviors. Women (and now men) repeat in article after article of how well developed the female capacity is for language and communication, so it follows that they have to know to some, maybe subconscious, degree that they are being less than helpful if not deliberately misleading. Even the mothers with the best interests of their son's at stake still parrot these responses. It's like a female imperative. Why?

For the answer, all you have to do is look at the bios of the single women on most any dating service. When asked to describe the characteristics they find desirable in a man, the single most common responses are confidence, decisiveness, independence, ambition - traits that would require a man to be a Man and have the foresight and perseverance not to take things at face value. The guy with the capacity to call a woman on her own bluff with a confidence that implies she is to be worthy of him rather than the other way around is the Man to be competed for. Essentially the 'chick speak', 'chick advice' phenomenon is a sh!t test writ large on a social scale. And even your own mothers and sisters are in on it, expecting you to get the message and see the challenge for what it really is.

Most guys are natural pragmatists, we look for the shortest most efficient way between two points. It follows then that if we want sex, and women have the sex we want, we ought to ask them what conditions they require from us in order for us to get it. The problem is that women don't want to tell us this, because in doing so it makes us less independent, confident, ambitious and more compromising in our own identities in order to get at her sexuality. This is counter to the decisive, independent and masculine man they really want and is evidenced in their behaviors. He should know what women want without asking because he's observed them often enough, been successful with them often enough, and taken the efforts to make decisions for himself based on their behaviors and not their words. This makes him the PRIME commodity in the face of a constant contradiction of her own, and other women's, motives, words and behaviors.

 

[Vulpine]

Women like a guy with skills.

Nunchaka skills, drawing skills, cunnilingus skills...

 

[penkitten]

Women like a guy with skills.

Nunchaka skills, drawing skills, cunnilingus skills...

reminded me of the song skills....now its stuck in my head,,,, thanks

 

[captn caveman]

Women don't like being approached by men.

That they don't find attractive.

Similar to when a man she likes approaches her at work, it is workplace romance,

When a man she is not attracted to does the exact same thing, they cry outlout "sexual harrasment"...