Don Juan as the Sociopath

[Don Ronny]

A (supposedly) female poster recently piqued my interest on a topic I have often wondered about.

That is...

the predatory and anti-social nature of the seducer.

A sociopathic Don Juan at odds with society, acting on his own insatiable desires and referring to women as "targets"

I find it interesting that the very nature of many seducers is the art of manipulation and deception...of course you have your genuine Dons who attract by "Being the Prize", the more enlightened fellas the likes of Fingz, Pook, etc.

But these guys seem to be the exception as opposed to the rule.

I have more thoughts on the subject and will add them when I have a moment to spare...

In the meantime, I think this could be an interesting discussion to say the least and am curious about your feedback.

Lets try to keep the childish name-calling and mindless stereotypes to a minimum please.

 

[entropy]

i agree

I agree, and would be interested in your thoughts on this subject.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Qoute by Don,

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I find it interesting that the very nature of many seducers is the art of manipulation and deception...of course you have your genuine Dons who attract by "Being the Prize",

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In earnest, 'manipultaion and deception" have zero impact and no relevancy in so-called seducing women - women give themselves freely and willingly because they get something else in return. Remember we have something else that they want also.

A woman would take offense to the above quote because that would mean that they only sucucumb to the dictates of men because they were deceived and manipulated (give them a little credit). Some men would like to think this is the reason but they are deluding themselves.

"Be the prize" works because, in essence, what you are realy saying is "Be the man"! Pook gives a good defintion of what this entails regarding our position as it relates to the female.

 

[Don Ronny]

These ideas have been brewing for some time now.

We struggle on this forum to break women down into a science

Opener + (Rapport x C&F) - (neg + kino)º = sex (hooray!)

I am guilty of this mentality as well, subscribing to the notion that women are essentially like video games and all you have to do is press the right buttons and voila! you are in there like swimwear.

I am starting to see that women are only humoring us. We jump through all these hoops and perform like a circus monkeys while they kick back and do the selecting. It is becoming painfully obvious to me that 90% of these techniques are useless and the only trait you really need is courage...yes, BALLS!!

I have a friend who is a natural seducer. The guy is not bad looking but no Prince Charming for sure. It is amazing to watch him in action. He approaches over and over, and though he is only successful a small percentage of the time, he hardly ever gets snubbed by his "targets"

How?

He has the balls to speak his mind. Plain and simple. He doesnt give girls any special treatment as an AFC (supplication & wussy behavior) or a calculated seducer (routines, canned lines, etc) He is charming, quick-witted and disarmingly polite.

Sure you could dissect his game afterwards and say "oooohhh! Nice neg!" or "wow, this guy is a master of SS!"

But this is the farthest thing from his mind. He is simply asserting his confidence and his reality without any regard for the imaginary consequences. He flirts with them and has a very engaging personality. He treats women like people instead of potential conquests and they LOVE him for it.

Another thing I notice about this guy, he turns down fine booty left and right. He has very high standards and expects a woman to stimulate him on a higher level than just having a nice ass. Of course the aesthetics are a prerequisite, but not a guarantee to win his affections.

He is the closest I have seen to what a Don Juan should be...

Loose and open in his manner yet fearless and awesome in his determination. Living out his dreams is the cake and women are the icing. He also happens to be a hopeful romantic, using his seductive prowess to search for an adequate companion, something MEANINGFUL.

I havent been on this site for a while because I was hanging out with this dude a lot, he sort of adopted me as his little brother and has taught me alot about being a man and taking control of my life.

I come back here and though I see the few who resonate with this noble message, it is ultimately an ideal that is rapidly becoming buried in an avalanche of cynical thinking, negative projections and the predatory mindstate that seems to dominate the board these days.

Women are not videogames. Seduction is not a one-sided affair. For so long, too many of us (myself included) have seen them in this light.. targets for our sexual appetites that we must manipulate into our bedrooms.

I am starting to really see that seduction is merely a dance.

We just need to have the balls to take the lead!

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Don Ronny - so eloquently stated and with such insight (you are starting to sound like me )

I could just quote your whole statement and comment on its' good points one by one, but why should I? Everybody should just read it again for understanding! The whole response is one good point and my repeating it would just be redundant.!

Kudos!

 

[k3000]

don ronny - totally agree with your posts. ive always said to myself that i want i want to meet as many great women as possible. that way i know whats good for me and what works. my eventual goal is a family. after all we were put on this earth to reproduce.

anyway, if your only want to shag girls then they see straight through you. they can smell the playa on your breath and they obviously hate that kind of manipulation. i know people who are chasing girls that are way too young for them because theyre the type of girls who just want to **** around like them. this, i think, proves what an imature attitude it is.

 

[DJ_Dork]

This is an interesting point Don Ronny is making. You must never forget that women are still people and not toys to meddle with. What Pook and other great DJs suggest work well to in the mind part.. but always remember you have a heart too. And that is what will win the best relationships.

 

[Don Ronny]

Thanks for the feedback guys!

Ya know..

one thing I wanted to clarify is that this is just my own perception of what I think a Don Juan is.

We all have different ideas about life and if staying a virgin is what you feel is right for you, thats cool.

If shagging a whole truckload of women truly makes you happy and fulfilled, I say go for it! (but please use protection!!!)

Honestly, to each their own.
This is becoming my new mantra BTW...

I think one of the things thats ruining the board these days isnt the AFCs. Its not even the repetitive questions...

Its this exclusive attitude everyone has.

I will give you a hypothetical scenario:

POSTER: A Don Juan is blah blah blah
POSTER2: I disagree.

(Now at this point they can agree to disagree..but watch what happens...)

POSTER1: Dude... this is a TRUE BLUE Don Juan!
POSTER2: No way you asshead, THIS is what the Don is all about!
POSTER1: You tryin to call my don stupid or something?
POSTER2: (censored for explicit postings)
POSTER1: (even MORE censored)

See what I´m saying? Instead of seeing the valuable side of someone elses perspective,we mock theirs and cling to our own, claiming superiority.

If there is one thing I´d like to see out of these forums, its THIS holier than though bullshyt! Nothing constructive gets said around here because half of you are busy defending your fragile egos!

All you whiners and flamers dont see that YOU are the source of the problem.

You want to see an improvement here?
Well start working on yourself for a change ya bastids!

Okay ranting done.

Back 2 life, back 2 Reality (that song kicks ass)

 

[Walden]

I think a DJ is a bit more "predatory" than an AFC.
A DJ approahces a girl with an outcome in mind whereas an AFC will jst approach a girl and accept whatever she lets happen.


As for arguments over what a DJ is I can onlyrefer you to Hagakure
"if one does not start with an earnest daily intention and does not contemplate even in his dreams the meaning of being a warrior (a DJ) then that person may be said to be worthy of punishment.

Go the 7th century samourai wisdom