Does this forum make you paranoid?

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I'm most certain that some the advice I've taken on here has fvcked up potential relationships.

For example as soon as a girl shows any form of disrespect I just write them off.


What about you guys?
Any examples?
 

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This forum helps shed fears by exposing them with truth. And because these fears are exposed to vulnerable guys, and those with contradictory beliefs and pov, most likely preconceived ideas and social conditioning, triggers defensive responses that cause them to lash out, or in many cases, start observing what they learn and discover on here in their surroundings.

Paranoid? To some extent. But more towards fighting against new, raw, conflicting truths that paint their perceptions of women negatively until they can find acceptance and learn to trust in themselves rather than be defensive to the mistrust they feel in women.

When the fear is shedded, so does your sense of a lack of control.

The knowledge you learn here, combined with experience helps you recognize ways of dealing with women that previously were unknown to you. Sure guys may get bitter but at the same time it is building new standards in them, new principles and the result is they are tougher for it.

One woman's disrespect to a man is nothing to another man. Being able to recognize women's behavior gives you power because it is not foreign and alien to you, which means you have choice over how to conduct yourself with them and how you desire to respond to them.

If anything this forum leads to men getting disappointed more so than paranoid.
I find if we take what we read here to feel empowered, rather than weakened in mindset, that that is the ultimate form of learning and knowledge.
 

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tough stuff, dude. Do you really think that anything of importance was EVER done by "men" who were worried about their looks, the number/quality of their women, etc? Do you even have a clue what important things might BE?
 

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"For example as soon as a girl shows any form of disrespect I just write them off."
Is this your own personal feelings about if you FEEL disrespected? Or is it when other (normally bitter) forum posters tell you SHOULD FEEL disrespected?

If it's the later - then yeah, you better find a woman who doesn't breathe because there's guys on this board who will swear that a woman breathing is disrespect.

And listening to them will result in all kind of paranoia, analyzing, and theorizing.

When all along you could have just been having fun, unaware of the poison so you can enjoy sipping it.
 

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bukowski_merit said:
Is this your own personal feelings about if you FEEL disrespected? Or is it when other (normally bitter) forum posters tell you SHOULD FEEL disrespected?

If it's the later - then yeah, you better find a woman who doesn't breathe because there's guys on this board who will swear that a woman breathing is disrespect.

And listening to them will result in all kind of paranoia, analyzing, and theorizing.

When all along you could have just been having fun, unaware of the poison so you can enjoy sipping it.
So you regret swallowing the red pill and would rather be living in ignorance about women? Don't you think that's a cop out? Do you believe that guys who are plugged into the matrix and "unaware of the poison", are experiencing more fun and joy than us unplugged guys?

To a certain extent, that idea holds true... All of us are already unplugged and can't really forget all we've learned since then, it's kinda fascinating to wonder about the value of being ignorant regarding women, dating, love etc. For example, if you didn't know about the nature of women and hypergamy, you wouldn't worry about the chances of your girl fvcking someone behind your back...

You'd just think: "Nah, she truly loves me, she said so herself, thus she would never cheat on me" And you'd truly believe that! So you would truly be living in the assumption that you are the only one for your girl and thus be feeling on top of the world. Your girl could be fvcking some other dude behind your back, but you would never know it coz you would never even hold it POSSIBLE and would not be able to recognize any signs of it.

So despite reality (her fvckin another guy behind your back), you would be perfectly happy and beiieve your life to be wonderful...because you're ignorant of the truth, and that ignorance brings you bliss...

A guy could be living the happiest life ever, being the beta provider for his woman and believing he is the only one for her. The fact that she is fvckin bad boys behind his back is not a bad thing to him, AS LONG AS HE IS UNAWARE OF IT.

Imagine you're dreaming a wonderful dream, one where your life is perfect... Well, as long as no one wakes you up out of that dream, wouldn't you prefer staying in that dream? The moment you wake up and the dream ends, is when you feel sad, because the waking up makes you realize that it was all just a dream... So why would you want to be awakened from that dream? The fact that it isn't real doesn't matter UNTIL THE MOMENT YOU REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT REAL.

When you're oblivious to the truth, you cannot be harmed by it, your ignorance causes you bliss... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BuQFUhsRM


Not saying I regret taking the blue pill but I do find this idea fascinating... The more I think about life and all that is a part of it, the more I start valuing the whole "doublethink" concept. If you are able to forget unpleasant truths, while still being able to remember them briefly when the situation demands it (but immediately forgetting them again afterwards), your life will be a lot more pleasant, you know?
Same thing goes for your conscience... When you forget about the fact that what you're doing is "wrong", life presents a lot more opportunities to you. Doing "bad" things often pays off in life.

I had another thought along that line, this week... We're all looking for a girl who's a gem, one that is a good girl, faithful and caring, but also hot and sexy. But mostly, the good girls are not hot and sexy and they are a bit lower on the looks, but the hot and sexy HB9's are always arrogant, unfaithful cvnts... So why don't you just find yourself a good girl and marry her, then go ahead and keep fvcking lots of hot and sexy bytches?

It's the same thing women do! They find a beta provider to marry and all the while keep fvcking bad boys left and right... They get the best of both worlds, they get all they want from men, just not unified in ONE man. But we can do the same, you know? Find a good girl to marry, who loves and supports you throughout life, who gives you a happy 'family life', and keep fvcking hot slvts behind her back, to fulfill that need.

Yeah, you'd become the very thing that you always condemn women for. So what? What the fvck do you care? You only condemn them for it because they harm you with that behavior. That dpoesn't make their behavior bad in itself, you know... Harmful behavior is only "bad" when you are the one being harmed by it. But when you are the one DOING the harm, then the behavior is not so bad, is it? Sure, from a neutral viewpoint, it might be. But fvck that, you are not neutral, you are you and you live for yourself, right? So when your behavior results in good things for yourself, then it is good for you. You don't have to do what is "good" according to the rest of the world, you should do what is good for YOU! You don't live to please the rest of the world, do you? No, you live for yourself! So again, whatever behavior brings you good things, is good behavior, even if it is morally objectionable. Who cares about morals? You should just care about your own happiness...

I am coming to believe that a man's conscience is only an obstacle... It's something that we have been conditioned to follow, it's just a remnant of our upbringing. Mommy and daddy punished you when you didn't do as they pleased, and they rewarded you when you did as they pleased. That's how your conscience was formed... Why should we be chained and limited by such a mechanism? Why shouldn't we get rid of this limiting mechanism now that we are grown up and free from the domination by our parents? We don't have to follow their rules anymore and are free to decide for ourselves what is good or bad.

The only problem is that something that has been ingrained in our personality so deep, is hard to undo. When you do something "bad", you feel guilty about it and it makes you feel bad. It's an automatic reaction, it's a reaction that has been condtitioned, just like Pavlov's dogs who had been conditioned to start drooling from the sound of a ringing bell. It's very hard to reverse that process when it has been ingrained for years, from your early youth. But I'm slowly learning to do just that...

Backwards rationalizing bad actions, backwards rationalizing unpleasant truths...all of that allows you to live a more happy life, as long as you are able to succesfully circumvent your conscience and able to succesfully forget certain truths. This is something which I cannot deny anymore...I know it to be true, I can't close my eyes for it. And therefor, I can't help myself from slowly embracing it and acting on it...

Am I the only one?
 
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Die Hard said:
So you regret swallowing the red pill and would rather be living in ignorance about women? Don't you think that's a cop out? Do you believe that guys who are plugged into the matrix and "unaware of the poison", are experiencing more fun and joy than us unplugged guys?

To a certain extent, that idea holds true... All of us are already unplugged and can't really forget all we've learned since then, it's kinda fascinating to wonder about the value of being ignorant regarding women, dating, love etc. For example, if you didn't know about the nature of women and hypergamy, you wouldn't worry about the chances of your girl fvcking someone behind your back...

You'd just think: "Nah, she truly loves me, she said so herself, thus she would never cheat on me" And you'd truly believe that! So you would truly be living in the assumption that you are the only one for your girl and thus be feeling on top of the world. Your girl could be fvcking some other dude behind your back, but you would never know it coz you would never even hold it POSSIBLE and would not be able to recognize any signs of it.

So despite reality (her fvckin another guy behind your back), you would be perfectly happy and beiieve your life to be wonderful...because you're ignorant of the truth, and that ignorance brings you bliss...

A guy could be living the happiest life ever, being the beta provider for his woman and believing he is the only one for her. The fact that she is fvckin bad boys behind his back is not a bad thing to him, AS LONG AS HE IS UNAWARE OF IT.

Imagine you're dreaming a wonderful dream, one where your life is perfect... Well, as long as no one wakes you up out of that dream, wouldn't you prefer staying in that dream? The moment you wake up and the dream ends, is when you feel sad, because the waking up makes you realize that it was all just a dream... So why would you want to be awakened from that dream? The fact that it isn't real doesn't matter UNTIL THE MOMENT YOU REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT REAL.

When you're oblivious to the truth, you cannot be harmed by it, your ignorance causes you bliss... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BuQFUhsRM


Not saying I regret taking the blue pill but I do find this idea fascinating...
True. Though some dudes on here have not only unplugged but have short circuited and blown a few fuses.
 

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Naughty Ninja said:
True. Though some dudes on here have not only unplugged but have short circuited and blown a few fuses.
That would be me.

Took it good from a rationalizing whor3 due to my reverting back to my old AFC ways. Which is why I'm back here after a few years away and actually getting onboard this time rather than just lurking. I'm just getting to the end of a **** em all phase which, in and of itself, is AFC as all hell, but feels good while im getting back into self improvement. It will be out of my system soon.

Yeah, you gotta take everything you read with some grain of salt, but make no mistake, there is gold within these forums. I would give anything to have had a resource like this as a younger man.
 

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Naughty Ninja said:
True. Though some dudes on here have not only unplugged but have short circuited and blown a few fuses.
Yeah well, if you're gonna jump in the rabbit hole, you might as well find out how deep it really goes... Unless you don't have the courage to do that.
 

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Some stuff her inflicts my chances with girls in general just because I felt like I in took to much information at once. Now I'm starting to learn to control and apply all the Info I learned here. For example some girl totally flaked on me and started posting pics of her wasted on Facebook. Old me: let's go out again , second chance. New me: lol f that finding a new girl. So it really depends. I'd rather be unplugged than oblivious.
 

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There is a fine line you need to take from this forum between not being a gullible fool and reading into things too much. Experience will let you know which side to be on.
 

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TillTheEndOfTime said:
There is a fine line you need to take from this forum between not being a gullible fool and reading into things too much. Experience will let you know which side to be on.
Blah that's what I've been doing to much, reading into things. Its one thing I need to work on. Being relaxed but with everything juggling around in my head makes it difficult .
 

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Die Hard said:
So you regret swallowing the red pill and would rather be living in ignorance about women? Don't you think that's a cop out? Do you believe that guys who are plugged into the matrix and "unaware of the poison", are experiencing more fun and joy than us unplugged guys?
Honestly, I was just semi-quoting an obscure late 90's underground hip-hop song. (i actually think that whole song pertains to this whole discussion and i didn't even do it on purpose))

And honestly, this whole red pill/blue pill/matrix thing has never sat well with me. I know women. I understand women. But i don't pretend to be a psychic who knows their every motive.

I also think this board highly overreacts to a woman's actions. It's a very reactive state. I've seen guys quote something like this:

Guy: Hey, just wanted to let you know I was thinking about you.
Girl: Oh ok, thanks.

^ And I'll see the thread swell with minions screaming "She's being disrespectful. What a tramp!"

When the reality is - the guys at fault here... And in most cases on this board where all the guys are screaming "disrespect! disrespect!" the guy is just as if not more at fault than the woman is. But NONE want to focus on that anymore.

"She didn't say she was thinking about you! She must have been busy sucking some other guys d!ck! You're not her first options... blah blah blah"








Die Hard said:
For example, if you didn't know about the nature of women and hypergamy, you wouldn't worry about the chances of your girl fvcking someone behind your back...
This isn't something I learned from reading about it (Hypergamy is a word that banes my existence!) I learned it many years ago (before bloggers made "Hypergamy" the "unplugged" word of the year.)

I learned it from fvcking taken women. A lot of them.

I learned how easy it is. I argued with men on this site who had the idea that you can prevent it completely (you can only lessen the chances).

I don't see any benefit to thinking about a woman fvcking someone behind my back though man. Do you do that?




Die Hard said:
So despite reality (her fvckin another guy behind your back), you would be perfectly happy and beiieve your life to be wonderful...because you're ignorant of the truth, and that ignorance brings you bliss...
I am very close to being in this state now. I just let life lead the way, and try not to analyze things; limit expectations. Too many guys on this board live under the gun of DJism. Mostly flawed theories that were thought up by guys who [most likely] no longer practice them.

I can still have my knowledge and use it when needed, but that gets in the way of the whole "having fun" thing.

Women can sense this vibe, and it normally leads to more open communication. More honesty. On both parts.



Die Hard said:
A guy could be living the happiest life ever, being the beta provider for his woman and believing he is the only one for her. The fact that she is fvckin bad boys behind his back is not a bad thing to him, AS LONG AS HE IS UNAWARE OF IT.
This is absolutely the truth. Problem is - he'll eventually find out (in most cases) and then his walls come tumbling down. Momentarily anyway; they'll "work on things" and he'll be back to being a happy "beta".


Die Hard said:
Not saying I regret taking the blue pill but I do find this idea fascinating... The more I think about life and all that is a part of it, the more I start valuing the whole "doublethink" concept. If you are able to forget unpleasant truths, while still being able to remember them briefly when the situation demands it (but immediately forgetting them again afterwards), your life will be a lot more pleasant, you know?
And this isn't too far from where I am now. When I need the knowledge - I use it. When I don't - I drown in the moment.




Die Hard said:
I had another thought along that line, this week... We're all looking for a girl who's a gem, one that is a good girl, faithful and caring, but also hot and sexy. But mostly, the good girls are not hot and sexy and they are a bit lower on the looks, but the hot and sexy HB9's are always arrogant, unfaithful cvnts... So why don't you just find yourself a good girl and marry her, then go ahead and keep fvcking lots of hot and sexy bytches?
I don't think the belief that good looking girls are more dangerous than average looking girls is a good belief to have. And I don't think marrying a woman is necessary or natural.



Die Hard said:
It's the same thing women do! They find a beta provider to marry and all the while keep fvcking bad boys left and right... They get the best of both worlds, they get all they want from men, just not unified in ONE man. But we can do the same, you know? Find a good girl to marry, who loves and supports you throughout life, who gives you a happy 'family life', and keep fvcking hot slvts behind her back, to fulfill that need.
The marriage thing again? Why's it such a needed thing to you? You just have the idea of a typical family life with a woman in your head? Kids? Nice house? Easter dinners? Jokes with your father in law? Etc?


I realize you're just thinking out loud.


Just throwing some thing out there....



Die Hard said:
Yeah, you'd become the very thing that you always condemn women for. So what? What the fvck do you care? You only condemn them for it because they harm you with that behavior. That dpoesn't make their behavior bad in itself, you know... Harmful behavior is only "bad" when you are the one being harmed by it. But when you are the one DOING the harm, then the behavior is not so bad, is it? Sure, from a neutral viewpoint, it might be. But fvck that, you are not neutral, you are you and you live for yourself, right? So when your behavior results in good things for yourself, then it is good for you. You don't have to do what is "good" according to the rest of the world, you should do what is good for YOU! You don't live to please the rest of the world, do you? No, you live for yourself! So again, whatever behavior brings you good things, is good behavior, even if it is morally objectionable. Who cares about morals? You should just care about your own happiness...

I am coming to believe that a man's conscience is only an obstacle... It's something that we have been conditioned to follow, it's just a remnant of our upbringing. Mommy and daddy punished you when you didn't do as they pleased, and they rewarded you when you did as they pleased. That's how your conscience was formed... Why should we be chained and limited by such a mechanism? Why shouldn't we get rid of this limiting mechanism now that we are grown up and free from the domination by our parents? We don't have to follow their rules anymore and are free to decide for ourselves what is good or bad.

The only problem is that something that has been ingrained in our personality so deep, is hard to undo. When you do something "bad", you feel guilty about it and it makes you feel bad. It's an automatic reaction, it's a reaction that has been condtitioned, just like Pavlov's dogs who had been conditioned to start drooling from the sound of a ringing bell. It's very hard to reverse that process when it has been ingrained for years, from your early youth. But I'm slowly learning to do just that...

Backwards rationalizing bad actions, backwards rationalizing unpleasant truths...all of that allows you to live a more happy life, as long as you are able to succesfully circumvent your conscience and able to succesfully forget certain truths. This is something which I cannot deny anymore...I know it to be true, I can't close my eyes for it. And therefor, I can't help myself from slowly embracing it and acting on it...

Am I the only one?
I don't know if it's a matter of "forgetting" as much as it is just realizing you can't control.... and that it's better to have fun with whatever it is while it exist in your world.

I made this post a few years ago in a discussion in the mature man section. I was (for the first time) trying to put my finger on what I do with women and why I don't seem to have the struggles or bitterness other knowledgeable posters do. Here's what I came up with. And almost 3 years later - this is still how I live my life [except i don't go to bars anymore for women lol]:


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"I've slept with a decent amount of women, and might be a bit strange in my ability to feel passion for just about every woman i've been with (even a ONS.)

It's a controlled passion though that i try not to give to 1 woman.

Meaning I make the relationship/interaction more important than the woman. So that if my relations with one particular woman starts to go bad - i can bring in someone to replace her without losing a moment of sleep (this is easy in theory, but i sometimes find myself remembering a few in particular.)

My frame is: I have a relationship with the female sex (not one woman) that is continuous.

I was at a bar this past weekend; girl started talking to me. Very cute girl; freshly out of a relationship. Within 10 seconds i was stroking her face (literally; she asked me a question - and when i answered - i was touching her). Same as i would one of my FBs i've been seeing for 2 years.... Within 5 minutes she was sitting on lap, with her arm around me. I was stroking her back.... That's normal to me; some guys would probably feel weird showing them much "love/passion" to a female he didn't know.

But to me - it was real and [at that moment] she became part of my relationship with the female sex, same as a girl i've been seeing for years."
 

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I think its safe to say that you have to know who to listen to and who to ignore. The general rule of thumb is that people who post more pessimistic points of view and uses few examples to back claims probably isn't a good person to listen too for any relationship advice. Even if someone who is good at getting women, that doesn't mean their advice is good for another person on the internet that they don't even know. "game awareness" as it is called is a good thing because it lays out a roadmap for these interactions, but its really up to the individual and their acumen to navigate the terrain.

However some advice is simply not good for people who are just starting out. Chief among them is the whole pretending to be alpha thing. If a guy is struggling to get any women on a routine basis, he isn't suddenly going to pretend to be alpha and have any success. Likewise, if he is told that being in good shape is a waste of time, than he is simply hamstringing himself. (theses are examples not really conversation topics). The advice that people should be following is simply what works - it really, really helps beginners to find someone who is good at it and attempt to integrate that into their personna. Real change takes time.

What I see happening here is that men are bitter, angry, and insecure - ergo the sudden feeling of disrespect that they feel when a women sneezes their way. The fact is if more men were successful than not successful here, than I suspect people wouldn't be complaining as much. Further, there would be LESS blame towards women because successful men know that the blame game takes two to tango. Its easier for a frail ego to only blame women when someone with an incling of wisdom knows that both parties have faults. Its when one is able to be introspective enough to admit faults that they can than improve upon them.

So I guess for those who say that this board sabotages their efforts , one must be careful as to what advice to follow. For me, I look for people who don't hate on women, those who post successful stories, and those who are about improving themselves in some way or another. A good example on this thread is someone who clearly has his game going well - heck I don't even know the guy but would bet money that he is good at the game! Quote below:

When the reality is - the guys at fault here... And in most cases on this board where all the guys are screaming "disrespect! disrespect!" the guy is just as if not more at fault than the woman is. But NONE want to focus on that anymore.

Amen
 

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Naughty Ninja said:
True. Though some dudes on here have not only unplugged but have short circuited and blown a few fuses.
Lol, so true.
 

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bukowski_merit said:
When all along you could have just been having fun, unaware of the poison so you can enjoy sipping it.
QFT
 

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I know the most important thing this forum gave me was pointing out that I AM the center of everything. It's no more doing what others expect from me but doing what I expect from myself

So if before I could've avoided to speak my mind with something potentially "dangerous" for the relationship, im now aware that the focus is on me, so there's no need to hidden myself in order to have the approval of people/girls. Because that approval will come ONLY IF I AM MYSELF INDEPENDENTLY from them.

Once I am no longer afraid I am able to show what I am, then people can chose if they like it or not.

IT HAS BEEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND for 19 years and let me say. That doesnt work. Living for others is just as worth as not living at all.

Paranoia comes when you dont know things. It develops itself into insecurity-
You dont know what people think, if you try to find out you will probably fall and get paranoid about it
BECAUSE YOU CANT HAVE THE ANSWERS YOU NEED
But you know what YOU think. So what could you be paranoid about? You know it all.
 
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