Does game even exist for a high value man?

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If a man is good looking, in shape, socially confident and successful…
Is game a necessity or a hinderance?

in my experience; the closer you are to the socially conventional image of attractive as a man - the more attraction is assumed, the more chances you get; the more margin for error; the more your mistakes are seen as ‘cute’ or quickly forgotten

You can dammn near argue; tripple text, cuss her out, act emotionally, be goofy and still be given a shot

this is the part of the game that coaches rarely talk about it
 

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Looks get your foot in the door, game gets you invited inside.

What's the point of getting invited to every door on the block if you don't know how to get invited inside?

All you become is a terrible door to door salesman at that point.
 

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Looks get your foot in the door, game gets you invited inside.

What's the point of getting invited to every door on the block if you don't know how to get invited inside?

All you become is a terrible door to door salesman at that point.
not talking about looks…

I’m saying when you are a HVM - looks success and social confidence…

at that point, the need for game goes out the window and actually becomes a hinderance
 

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not talking about looks…

I’m saying when you are a HVM - looks success and social confidence…

at that point, the need for game goes out the window and actually becomes a hinderance
Until the relationship progresses and she starts dog walking that dude.
 

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not talking about looks…

I’m saying when you are a HVM - looks success and social confidence…

at that point, the need for game goes out the window and actually becomes a hinderance
Lol no. WIthout Game a high-value man is just beta bux and will be taken to the cleaners most likely, unless he is lucky enough to find a 'nice' girl.

Is being strong and fit good enough to be a boxer or does one need to know the game?
How about football?
If your really clever can you just make it in business or do you need actual business knowledge?

I dont even know how a guy can be HVM without Game, the concept is nonesensical to me. Loads of good looking successful confident guys get dumped/divorced/hurt by women all the time, will smith, bezos?, dicaprio just seems to know the score and not get too close, tom brady etc etc.

Game is the definition of high-value man. Game is what you do with your looks, intelligence, money. Without Game a man looks, success and money will be a hindrance not the other way round, without Game women will simply manipulate him for his assets and then discard him when no longer useful. This is the type of thing Game protects against.

Game is not stupid stuff like picking up women, cold-approach, PUA etc that is just clowning bro...
 

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Game is necessary, even for HVM. Otherwise you get finessed. Women are vicious.

Young 26 year old Celtics star Jaylen Brown is dating a 42 year old single grandmother. This is why we all need game…
I am amazed that's even possible. Examples like this are why women act so entitled now.

Even 55+ women are not having difficulty in finding men for extramarital sex.

 

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I am amazed that's even possible. Examples like this are why women act so entitled now.

Even 55+ women are not having difficulty in finding men for extramarital sex.

That's just pathetic. All these guys grew up on the femininst brainwashing, so to them, they want older "experienced" women as their mates. They're afraid to take charge and get a younger hotter woman. It's downright sad.
 

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Sometimes yes sometimes no . I do have the looks thank God and that’s brought me laid without even the need to talk . But after a while messing around here and there gets boring and on the bed there is that much you can do .

I’m in a position right now that i value higher, women that can keep up with my game than getting stretched on my bed . If you lead and know what you do ,then every woman no matter her experience is gonna be the same to you . There are very few, rare exceptions but that’s a different story . We talk about generally, every day women you see on the road , on the shops , everywhere .

High value men do know how to game.
 

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Yes and no. You still need game.. Women are masters of playing coy.. They want to be chased, they want to be won over. SOme are easily won over because they don't have much High Value options. The ones that have multiple options that can be deemed High value in some way or another, its still a game.. They want to see if you will put in effort because they don't want to land a guy who will just use them and toss them out. I'v ehad this issue my whole lfie because i came across as that guy. its something i've worked at but have been miserably bad at fixing.. I think partly due to my adhd and impulsive behavior. Part of good game is being able to play the part of the solid partner guy, even though you know you're jus plannin on spinnin the chick
 

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If a man is good looking, in shape, socially confident and successful…
Is game a necessity or a hinderance?

in my experience; the closer you are to the socially conventional image of attractive as a man - the more attraction is assumed, the more chances you get; the more margin for error; the more your mistakes are seen as ‘cute’ or quickly forgotten

You can dammn near argue; tripple text, cuss her out, act emotionally, be goofy and still be given a shot

this is the part of the game that coaches rarely talk about it
Hvm seems like another RP cope phrase.

Because we all know that women have the ability to get used to luxury real quick. E.g the girl who was a Mexican illigal immigrant doing cleaning, marries a "hvm" and might very soon dominate and destroy him.

What's the definition of hvm? There's no set amount of anything that can measure this. Any man can claim to be high value. Hcm to them or to self? It's women who really decide . Imo " hvm to women " could also be a broke dude with TONS of game. Ask the " I build it, they didn't come " thread starter abouts this..
 

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If a man is good looking, in shape, socially confident and successful…
Is game a necessity or a hinderance?

in my experience; the closer you are to the socially conventional image of attractive as a man - the more attraction is assumed, the more chances you get; the more margin for error; the more your mistakes are seen as ‘cute’ or quickly forgotten

You can dammn near argue; tripple text, cuss her out, act emotionally, be goofy and still be given a shot

this is the part of the game that coaches rarely talk about it
For a high value man, game is mostly having strong boundaries, core values, and principles. Basically inner game. He doesn't need outer game to open doors, but he needs inner game to keep his pimp hand strong and his women in line.

Believe it or not, it's still possible to be a simp as a good looking guy.
 

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If you are 6'0+ with a top physique that includes big muscles, that is your form of game.

With top tier looks, there isn't much of a need for personality.
 

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How can a man truly become rich, successful or fit (if that’s what he wants) without game?

It’s that internal dialogue in our head, our self perception and our self worth, that we project outwards. The value we bring to the table is accumulated through obstacles, overcoming them requires game.

Game isn’t a way to get chicks, it’s to navigate life.
 

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I remember Real Made Men from what I recall he was a 6'4 brother with aswimmers physique killing it in OHIO no shade(use to read and comment on his blog was a dope read back in the day) cause he would do well in most parts although I think in LA you gonna have to do a bit more

I know guys who fit the secular world of high value. There's one guy 5'4 and he's pulling girls that are 5'8 he still has to hit the set up but he has already perceived value from his social circle and add the fact that he's a pilot who travels all over the world and he's a unicorn (how many black pilots do you know that travel the world)

would he get the same tail if he was making 40K a year living in the hood, in my town maybe but probably not
Game is everything at that level but your social proof is at another level especially when the girl knows you
 

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Women are far more ruthless i've seen plenty of 6ft + guys get thrown in the bin for needy behaviour social proof or no social proof

Ultimately they all want to FEEL that rush from the bad boy they can't control

" Whats he gonna do next"

Look at Chris Brown a convicted sex offender and a woman beater ..... i know he's a celeb but you will still have women all over the world falling too his knees

The fact he beat Rhianna up will be arguably more of a turn on for women than the fact he's a celeb
 

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I remember Real Made Men from what I recall he was a 6'4 brother with aswimmers physique killing it in OHIO no shade(use to read and comment on his blog was a dope read back in the day) cause he would do well in most parts although I think in LA you gonna have to do a bit more

I know guys who fit the secular world of high value. There's one guy 5'4 and he's pulling girls that are 5'8 he still has to hit the set up but he has already perceived value from his social circle and add the fact that he's a pilot who travels all over the world and he's a unicorn (how many black pilots do you know that travel the world)

would he get the same tail if he was making 40K a year living in the hood, in my town maybe but probably not
Game is everything at that level but your social proof is at another level especially when the girl knows you
When I became single, RMM was done & only archival. I found it useful.
 

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I've been watching some videos by Man Talk and Man Guide lately. They seem to go something like this: "Women will find you boring unless you are cheating on them. Hey, we're not telling you to cheat, we're just saying". I don't deny this may usually be the tendency, but somehow I seem to be able to exist outside of this dysfunctional continuum.

Guys who are attractive don't really need game. And for those who aren't attractive, game isn't enough. But guys should always operate with self respect.
 

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I think Game is only useful for girls In high school and college, and I think men only need “Game” for those girls if they are short. If the girl is young, say between 18-27, a man doesn’t need “Game” if he tall, he just has to “show up”, dress OK and keep his mouth shut to get laid. He doesn’t need to spit Game. The girl will be automatically be attracted to him because of height.

Now once the girl gets past the age of 27, the height doesn’t matter as much as his income, job, status. etc, because her priorities have changed. A man shouldn’t need Game for this either because she wants to lock him down asap as she is losing her looks and leverage.

In other words, Game is important if the man is not at least 6’2 and is trying to score with hot, young, sexy girls.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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