Does divorce really mean loss of half your assets?

[R.U.G.]

hmmm, i got off lucky and kept the house and custody and she had to pay me

men, you need to file FIRST

Amen brother. That's what I did.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Here's my question. If you can buy the home you'd think a b!tch would drool over (I can, but hold off because I have everything I need in my rather small home and am very happy with it no problems - my home could house 2 kids 2 parents BUT I KNOW...if ever Once married, and she knew of my finances that she would drop hints, then after a will overt Demands, that we buy a new large home cause in *whiney voice* "We don't have enough rooooom.") carrying a small note on the lux big home BEFORE you ever get married, then as "Separate" property owned Before the marriage, you would not have to give the new big home over in the event of a Divorce sometime on down the line? OR would you be safe purchasing the big lux home women would envy and drool over DURING your marriage, where you and your spouse both make the decision on the new home after marriage? I do not Want a new home, but I KNOW that if I ever got married that (no matter WHO I married, unless she is pious and devout to ME and me only - you know Real religious with headscarf etc etc a Quaker, Muslim, Omish, or Mormon whatever), to 95% of Any American woman (and she somehow knew I had funds to purchase an "upgrade" in home - I'd try to keep it from her) that AFTER getting hitched, she would Beg, beg, beg and BEG, nag nag nag nag, for me to go "house shopping" for the Envy house of all her girlfriends family etc etc. She'd NEVER STOP about getting a bigger home cause "We need more room!" for "our kids." "We need a bigger yard." I'd say, "No we don't!!" "2 kids would fit fine here, there's 3 bedrooms! 2 baths!" Over and over and over and over and over again. Now, if I stuck with my current fine for me, but not for thee home and then some hoe married me and I succumbed to buying a new home while married (all in my Name - I'd NEVER put it in her name), in the event of a divorce, would I lose ALL equity in said new big home?? Does it matter the state or is it across the board yea or nay?

 

[zekko]

This is an old thread. There used to be a video that was often linked to her on SoSuave. It was about a guy who had lost his well paying job, and then got a less well paying job, and as a result couldn't pay his alimony and child support. His wife had him thrown in jail. The judge in question would not reduce his payments, because it wasn't how much earned that mattered - what mattered was how much the judge thought he was capable of earning. Because he had worked a high paying job previously, the judge thought he was qualified for a higher paying job now. Of course, the economy changes, businesses disappear, new ones come up, etc. But that situation was probably worst case scenario.

I've known many fellows who have had to work two jobs - one to pay support, and one to support themselves. And they would be either be living back home with their parents, or in a small one room apartment. It's not always like that, but it can get bad. I think different states have different divorce laws.

 

[R.U.G.]

Here's my question. If you can buy the home you'd think a b!tch would drool over (I can, but hold off because I have everything I need in my rather small home and am very happy with it no problems - my home could house 2 kids 2 parents BUT I KNOW...if ever Once married, and she knew of my finances that she would drop hints, then after a will overt Demands, that we buy a new large home cause in *whiney voice* "We don't have enough rooooom.") carrying a small note on the lux big home BEFORE you ever get married, then as "Separate" property owned Before the marriage, you would not have to give the new big home over in the event of a Divorce sometime on down the line? OR would you be safe purchasing the big lux home women would envy and drool over DURING your marriage, where you and your spouse both make the decision on the new home after marriage? I do not Want a new home, but I KNOW that if I ever got married that (no matter WHO I married, unless she is pious and devout to ME and me only - you know Real religious with headscarf etc etc a Quaker, Muslim, Omish, or Mormon whatever), to 95% of Any American woman (and she somehow knew I had funds to purchase an "upgrade" in home - I'd try to keep it from her) that AFTER getting hitched, she would Beg, beg, beg and BEG, nag nag nag nag, for me to go "house shopping" for the Envy house of all her girlfriends family etc etc. She'd NEVER STOP about getting a bigger home cause "We need more room!" for "our kids." "We need a bigger yard." I'd say, "No we don't!!" "2 kids would fit fine here, there's 3 bedrooms! 2 baths!" Over and over and over and over and over again. Now, if I stuck with my current fine for me, but not for thee home and then some hoe married me and I succumbed to buying a new home while married (all in my Name - I'd NEVER put it in her name), in the event of a divorce, would I lose ALL equity in said new big home?? Does it matter the state or is it across the board yea or nay?

I've been there, and what I told my then wife, NO. She kept on pushing and I said do you have half of the downpayment? Her response? No. We'd sell your house any buy our first house together. Thus, turning a separate asset into a marital asset. I then said, sorry sweetie, since I transferred the ownership of the house into an irrevocable trust, I no longer have the authority to sell the house. Keep in mind, my house is a five bedroom house, not small in a good school district and safe neighborhood. Us men have to read between the lines. What she's really saying is I want to refinance the house so I am on the title and thus should the sh!t hit the fan, I will have ownership of your house, now our house, without putting any of my own money into it. Pure beta move if a brother would do this. I know so many who have and now they are living in an apt, while the house is occupied with the ex-wife and kids. Guess who's paying the mortgage/taxes/insurance? The men. Crazy.

PM, to your question. It depends. If you did like I did, place your house in an irrevocable trust prior to marriage and not allow her to change anything in the house nor pay for the house upkeep with marital funds, then you should be okay. However, if you have kids, it will be a fight and a half as the court has to do what's in the "best interest for the kids". The court, generally, cannot tear up an irrevocable trust after three years (NY Law). Delaware and Nevada or two and one year. However, Delaware has something called a chancellory court, and they are law friendly, not family friendly (in the men's favor). IANAL, but here's what I was advised to do, and it protected all assets. Form an Delaware LLC, C-corp status, have the LLC "member" as the irrevocable trust. Appoint my attorney (estate law, not family law) and a family member as trustees. Have separate funds for the trust to pay for the housing expenses and maintenance. Thus, iron clad. My ex-wife's attorney attempted to do discovery, but then found out he'd have to go to a NY court for a discovery order, then petition the Delaware chancellory court for a hearing to find out more about the trust's assets and control. The defense died right there. It would be too expensive to fight me and what I setup. Plus, I lowered my income 15k under my ex-wife's income two years prior to marriage. All 100% legal and traceable. However, mine was a bit extreme as I have assets and businesses to protect. So, adjust where necessary. I do not know how it would work with kids, but I assume it would cost a lot of money in legal fees for both sides, but would prevail. A court cannot take away an asset or funds from a person who doesn't own or control them. If you transfer all of your own personally owned assets into an irrevocable trust, you no longer control or have access to them. Thus, they cannot be taken from you by family court. I like New York's irrevocable trusts best as they have never been defeated, and they can be broken with the approval of both the grantor and trustees.

All in all, it's best to not get married. Just rent. You can rent a big house. No one NEEDS to buy a big house. If any woman says they NEED to buy a big house, then make sure they are putting in half of the money to not only buy the house, but for maintenance, insurance, taxes, etc. Remember, women are equal to men on all accounts. Might as well as treat them like it.

 

[Poonani Maker]

That's some scary ****, Rug. The majority of all my assets are tied up in my house. The laws have GOT to change. I don't trust ANY woman and I don't want to set up a trust that might take 3 years prior to marriage. It's a bunch of Bull****, the hoops we men must abide by/jump through. I'm tired of it, at MY age. It just wasn't in the cards, born in the wrong time. I'm sure if I ever did get married and she divorced me and took the house, I'd go ballistic and violent in such severity it'd make national news. Because when you're RIGHT and know you're right, then death comes easy.

 

[wifehunter]

 

[R.U.G.]

That's some scary ****, Rug. The majority of all my assets are tied up in my house. The laws have GOT to change. I don't trust ANY woman and I don't want to set up a trust that might take 3 years prior to marriage. It's a bunch of Bull****, the hoops we men must abide by/jump through. I'm tired of it, at MY age. It just wasn't in the cards, born in the wrong time. I'm sure if I ever did get married and she divorced me and took the house, I'd go ballistic and violent in such severity it'd make national news. Because when you're RIGHT and know you're right, then death comes easy.

We're around the same age, so I understand your predicament. I went to such protection as I've seen business associates, friends and family get decimated in divorce. My cousin, BIG BETA. He is still married, but legally separated to his first wife, the kid is living with him, and he's paying for his first wife's rent in Manhattan as well as CS and alimony. To add insult to injury, he then got another woman pregnant and helping to support that kid and her living arrangements. At a recent family dinner, he said he loved her, she just smiled. She also has another kid from another brother. The poor sap earns 200k per year gross. After 2 CS payments and alimony and rent, he has about 3k a month coming in. Smart.

Damn if I will allow any person to take my sh!t that I worked so hard to get for 20+ years. The laws will never change. If you read the laws, they show as gender neutral. However, the Judges are always bias against the men. Always. Well, except Texas. Texas is still pro male, but that might be changing too.

If you do not want to place your assets in a trust, just do not marry, co-habitate or impregnate and you will be fine. If you want to do any other those though, you will need to protect yourself legally. Just look what John Cena did with Nikki Bella. He was too gun shy to marry again after what he went through in his first marriage. I would be too. However, even before the failed engagement, he had her sign a 75 page co-habitation agreement prior to moving in.

Marriage is not about love or commitment as some would like us to believe. It's a business contract endorsed by the State. It's best to stay away from said contract.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Ken Doll, Why would you post in a thread that is 9 years old?

I guess thats the reason...

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

First, I have the lowest opinion of the modern american woman and the divorce/family laws as anyone. But I think maybe this whole marriages always end in divorce and loss of half your assets is a little overblown and is misleading a lot of guys.

The fact is all things being equal spinning plates actually has more potential for pregnancies(not to mention stds) than a monogamous relationship. The logistics of controlling a pregnancy with one woman is a lot simpler than with multiple women. A pregnant woman you are not married to is as much or probably more a financial liability than one that you are. so it's no solution to the pregnancy and child support problem.

And about splitting half of the assets. It is possible that if you have acquired a lot of assets and you then marry a woman and she divorces you after a relatively short period of time, she could get some or half your assets that she did not contribute to. But really anymore women already have half your assets from the get go. They got it when feminism came along. And in most case they are bringing nearly half of the assets into the marriage and you are cutting your expenses since 2 people can live much cheaper in one household than in two. And statistically marriages last for several years. I have to admit though that in some cases women do make off with a guys assets. But for the same reasons marriage is fvcked up applies to the single life to.

Honestly a lot of time and money is spent perptually trying to find new plates. And the same reason why women don't make good wives also applies to why they don't make good dates, GFs, or FBs. it just doesn't seem like perpetual bachelorhood is much of a solution. And all the problems and shortcomings with it get downplayed and glossed over. Just maybe a lot of guys would be better off trying to find the best quality woman and being exclusive.

Aww. You must be new.

According to the National Center for Health Statistics, about 50 percent of marriages in the United States end in divorce, and about 80 percent of the divorces are initiated by women. That 50 percent is often quoted and it is probably on the high side, but it is illuminating that 80 percent of the divorces are filed by the wife.

http://www.divorcesource.com/blog/why-women-file-80-percent-of-divorces/

Link is two years old meaning, one could only assume that, it's 100x worse since then.


I'm western society, women have essentially removed themselves as viable options for marriage and or common law living. Only cucks get married these days. Obviously, few exceptions exist to every rule.

Any man entering Said predicaments should assume they're being a cuck rather then they are the exception to the rules.

One should aware themselves with red pill awareness and operate accordingly.

Mgtow is red pill rage likely due to financial rape and nasty divorce. Resources extracted by the state regardless of how foul a woman is or was.

Resources : rational male. You can find tomassi book free online.

Women love a man based upon his utility and function. Once a woman fails to see the value of Saud function or acquires a higher value man, she will begin swallowing his proteins and and Taking it in the ass.


It's far worse than the first after thought.



Women crater SMV (sexual market value 18-23,though very individual) chasing bad boys, Chad's, playboy, etc during best years. It's cuck and beta male provider when the milks gone bad.

You were second best and that's putting it nicely. Chris Rock has a comedy bid from 90s full of truth bombs. He is divorced.


It's not this happily ever after special snowflake fairy tale existence. Women are running wild and men are failing to evolve.

A family friend had his multi million dollar home and business lost in a divorce. His wife and daughter are out getting BBC. He's had his life ruined. Financially destroyed.

The daughters are single mom following the train wreck mother.


Look at society promoting single moms, sloot gonna sloot, and toxic masculinity. Demonize man. Run off with his children.


The only way to play the game and win is now play. Yes, get babes but no raw dog. No single moms. No commitment unless she's on top form SMV. If not dedicated the bulk of her 20s her best years preferably early side of 20s, she don't get the ring. You drop her for younger.

I am not playing house or homemaker with Chad's booty call. Most men settle for any semi decent lookin girl willing to be a lay.


Are women evil? Some. Sure. I heard women having a good time laughing about incel and the psycho running people over in a mini van.
I say imagine a woman goes psycho after realizing she cannot have kids pissin away her best years chasing playboy. She goes nuts and on a murder spree. Imagine men laughing at that. How would public outage be.


Op, acquire top form SMV or Netflix and chill. I am out for #1. Wedding, marriage, monogamy do not compute. No comprehendi.

In 2018, we got proud single mom, girl power, sloot gonna sloot but can't slit shame or fat shame. Why? Mitigate cratered SMV. Meanwhile demonize man. Emasculated man. Trash men.

Evolve. I don't date fat, single moms or cratered SMV. Low libido, low sex drive, not in the mood? #next!

New girls are turning 18/19/20/21 everyday.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Marriage is not about love or commitment as some would like us to believe. It's a business contract endorsed by the State. It's best to stay away from said contract.

If a woman ever attempts to bring the state into my affairs, I will next on the spot.

Female hypergamy knows no bounds.

I am not marrying the woman who spent her best days competing with the men for the corner office and trashing her SMV as a booty call.

Most men marry not top form but declining or cratered SMV. It's baby rabies. It's Chad's booty call. I know a pageant winner, trophy wife like who pissed it away chasing playboy. She's late 20s and it's game over. Single mom. Not a pageant winner anymore.

This is society and girl power. No responsibility. No accountability. It's sleep around. It's train wreck lifestyle. It's seek white picket fence when her best days are over.

Screaming misogyny is not an argument. If I want a escort there's Vegas and red light district. I don't need to involve the state.

My wing caught a std recently banging a girl single mom on the early side of twenty. This is how gross women are.

Rest assured, some cuck will marry Chad's booty call.

 

[R.U.G.]

If a woman ever attempts to bring the state into my affairs, I will next on the spot.

Female hypergamy knows no bounds.

I am not marrying the woman who spent her best days competing with the men for the corner office and trashing her SMV as a booty call.

Most men marry not top form but declining or cratered SMV. It's baby rabies. It's Chad's booty call. I know a pageant winner, trophy wife like who pissed it away chasing playboy. She's late 20s and it's game over. Single mom. Not a pageant winner anymore.

This is society and girl power. No responsibility. No accountability. It's sleep around. It's train wreck lifestyle. It's seek white picket fence when her best days are over.

Screaming misogyny is not an argument. If I want a escort there's Vegas and red light district. I don't need to involve the state.

My wing caught a std recently banging a girl single mom on the early side of twenty. This is how gross women are.

Rest assured, some cuck will marry Chad's booty call.

LOL. Why am I not surprised.

 

[logicallefty]

If you marry a woman and then find out she wasn't divorced from another man before marrying you, in my case two other men, you can get an annulment and keep all of your money and stuff. Background checks are your friend. Would have been better for me if my dumb cop azz would have done the background check before having a fake wedding with the b|tch and letting her nearly destroy me. But better late than never.

Full story below:

2012. I was working as a Police Detective doing Cyber Crimes for a medium sized city. I found evidence in Facebook and Email messages that my presumed wife at the time who I had had a marriage ceremony with in 2009 was cheating on me (more on that in a minute).. I confronted her one night. Got into a fight. She accused me of choking her and called police on me. I was arrested for domestic. Lost my job. Spent 3 nights in jail. She got an order of protection so I couldn't go to my house. My reputation was trashed. I fought and got a court order for her to vacate the house after 6 weeks. She trashed the place. Took many of my personal belongings including my dog. I filed for divorce on her.. Then while I was cleaning up the house sorting things I got a tip from one of her ex BFs who called me one afternoon. He said I really needed to do a thorough background check on her and in specific, to check marriage records in three other states. I did as he said. Found out the b|tch had 2 x other lawful husbands in two other States. In other words, she was a bigamist!! So right there, I was a cyber crime cop who's "wife" was cheating and using digital means, and had a background that I could have found with the resources I had any time in just a few clicks, but I never did it. Also found out she had other stuff in her past including a felony conviction for check fraud she never told me about... My gut talked to me over the years but I never listened to it. It told me this woman was bad news, but I didn't pay attention... So anyway, under my State's law, her bigamy made our 2009 marriage invalid... So I had my divorce changed to an annulment. Presented evidence in court of her other marriages. The Judge granted my annulment, retro active our 2009 wedding day. At that point, the things that she took that were technically mine were lawfully mine, but I had to prove it. In an annulment, she is NOT entitled to **** from me because the marriage never took place. I spent another 5 months thereafter fighting to get some personal things back from her, including my dog. I got the dog and most personal items. Domestic charges were dropped too.

Once that was all over things started to get better gradually. I eventually got hired at another department as a cop again but doing patrol instead of Detective. I also got on with a firm working as Private Detective. I learned so much from this experience I could write a 500 page book about all of the good that came from all this bad.. ANd it was bad right. it completely built my strength and resolve to diamond strength. My life is better than ever now and I am even in some talks of getting back into Detective work full time again doing what I love to do most which is cyber crimes and computer forensics.

 

[R.U.G.]

If you marry a woman and then find out she wasn't divorced from another man before marrying you, in my case two other men, you can get an annulment and keep all of your money and stuff. Background checks are your friend. Would have been better for me if my dumb cop azz would have done the background check before having a fake wedding with the b|tch and letting her nearly destroy me. But better late than never.

Full story below:

Not surprised. I actually did a background check on my ex-wife and her family. We all make mistakes. It's what makes us human. Sometimes, it sucks being human...

 

[FMCSMT]

In my case, was married 11 years, 3 kids. She was entitled to half of the equity of the home (positive or negative). The appraiser heard my story and that I was keeping the house and appraised it $30,000 below market value. I have the docs to support that.

She wanted sole custody and it did cost me $10,000 to get joint custody with 50/50 parenting time.

I kept the house, sold it 3 years later and am moving into a brand new custom home on July 12th.

I kept all of my assets. She took 6,000 of my retirement on top of the skewed equity (36,500) and I walked away with the home, my stuff, $25,000 and over $100,000 in equity.

She hates me today and has for the last 3 years and I have had more police to my home for "welfare checks" and "Child Protective Services" interviews than I care to count. Luckily, I had a good reasonable attorney who ended up destroying her credibility. We don't speak to one another and she has to contact me through a special web service called "Our Family Wizard".

She remarried right away. People thought I was jealous when describing him as overweight and unattractive but it's actually me being really nice about describing him, so I have been told.

Our relationship totally sucks and the kids hate it. I try to hide it best I can but they know I am doing well and she is not. My story is not typical. Many of my friends lost everything including their kids.

 

[logicallefty]

@FMCSMT I had never heard of Our Family Wizard but I just took a look at their website after your post. That sounds like just the tool that divorced and separated men need. Everything in writing. Beware of the ex, or any person anywhere in life, who will only communicate verbally. There are probably a lot of women, and maybe even men too, who would not agree to use a system like that because they depend heavily on the ability to come down with a bad case of "selective memory loss" so they don't have to be accountable to verbal conversations. That is a "benefit" they only get in verbal communication, not text, Email, Facebook, or Our Family Wizard. Thanks for sharing your story.

 

[R.U.G.]

In my case, was married 11 years, 3 kids. She was entitled to half of the equity of the home (positive or negative). The appraiser heard my story and that I was keeping the house and appraised it $30,000 below market value. I have the docs to support that.

She wanted sole custody and it did cost me $10,000 to get joint custody with 50/50 parenting time.

I kept the house, sold it 3 years later and am moving into a brand new custom home on July 12th.

I kept all of my assets. She took 6,000 of my retirement on top of the skewed equity (36,500) and I walked away with the home, my stuff, $25,000 and over $100,000 in equity.

She hates me today and has for the last 3 years and I have had more police to my home for "welfare checks" and "Child Protective Services" interviews than I care to count. Luckily, I had a good reasonable attorney who ended up destroying her credibility. We don't speak to one another and she has to contact me through a special web service called "Our Family Wizard".

She remarried right away. People thought I was jealous when describing him as overweight and unattractive but it's actually me being really nice about describing him, so I have been told.

Our relationship totally sucks and the kids hate it. I try to hide it best I can but they know I am doing well and she is not. My story is not typical. Many of my friends lost everything including their kids.

I hear ya, and you have my condolences with the hell you've been through as well. It seems par for the course. I ran (literally) into my ex-wife this morning. She looks like a train-wreck. Very disheveled and with an empty/lost look in her eyes. She hates me as well. Apparently, I ruined her life by filing for divorce and make her twice divorced at 40. It takes a big person to admit their mistakes, and it takes an even bigger person to act on them. From what I am told, she's been riding the c0ck carousel since we divorced and is now looking for an LTR. I wish her the best and hope she gets what she wants out of life. However, I still remember those daggers when she was starring right at me. All I felt for her was sadness and pity towards her. For such a smart (educational wise) woman to be so foolish and haphazard in life. This is what happens when feminism hits a brick wall.

It sucks to have compassion and empathy sometimes. No one said life was going to be smooth sailing or easy.

 

[R.U.G.]

@FMCSMT I had never heard of Our Family Wizard but I just took a look at their website after your post. That sounds like just the tool that divorced and separated men need. Everything in writing. Beware of the ex, or any person anywhere in life, who will only communicate verbally. There are probably a lot of women, and maybe even men too, who would not agree to use a system like that because they depend heavily on the ability to come down with a bad case of "selective memory loss" so they don't have to be accountable to verbal conversations. That is a "benefit" they only get in verbal communication, not text, Email, Facebook, or Our Family Wizard. Thanks for sharing your story.

True. However, I think the issue is the system and the way it is setup. Marriages are really now becoming like business contracts via Russian Roulette. Family and marriage was supposed to be marital bliss with all working together as one cohesive unit. However, it seems more than likely, that is exception not the rule these days. I know so many men who are going through divorce either after the kids enter school or when the kids are 18/21.

 

[evan12]

I found being employee is the worst when it comes to divorce, and that because your income is very clear and fixed. But if you are business owner, it is hard to court to estimate what is your real profit , and you will always be able to reduce it.
Now if a woman want half of your company , then that is okay, most likely will not be entitled to your spouse support since she own already half of the business.
I think it is okay even if she take half of the asset as long as you are living comfortably, and I only see a divorced business owners living comfortably after divorce to a degree they can just start a new life

 

[R.U.G.]

I found being employee is the worst when it comes to divorce, and that because your income is very clear and fixed. But if you are business owner, it is hard to court to estimate what is your real profit , and you will always be able to reduce it.
Now if a woman want half of your company , then that is okay, most likely will not be entitled to your spouse support since she own already half of the business.
I think it is okay even if she take half of the asset as long as you are living comfortably, and I only see a divorced business owners living comfortably after divorce to a degree they can just start a new life

Its usually worse for business owners. The divorce attys would have to hire two auditors to place a value on the business and it's future estimated income potential. They are called forensic accountants. Very expensive. The legal fees alone would be 100k +.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

This is an old thread. There used to be a video that was often linked to her on SoSuave. It was about a guy who had lost his well paying job, and then got a less well paying job, and as a result couldn't pay his alimony and child support. His wife had him thrown in jail. The judge in question would not reduce his payments, because it wasn't how much earned that mattered - what mattered was how much the judge thought he was capable of earning. Because he had worked a high paying job previously, the judge thought he was qualified for a higher paying job now. Of course, the economy changes, businesses disappear, new ones come up, etc. But that situation was probably worst case scenario.

I've known many fellows who have had to work two jobs - one to pay support, and one to support themselves. And they would be either be living back home with their parents, or in a small one room apartment. It's not always like that, but it can get bad. I think different states have different divorce laws.

Until divorce laws change, it's not even a possibility.

A 1990s vette isn't classic. You push it off a cliff.

Cucks are swearing away everything for damaged goods.

Escorts are much cheaper and they come with less kills and stds.