do you want to know? should you find out?

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so if a girl breaks up with you... do you think it is healthy to find out why? i can't decide what is better...

if you find out, and it is valid, it may devastate you but it can give you something to work on.

but it can also be invalid and just end up devastating you.

is it better to know or not know?

(and of course, if it is a mutual kind of thing [or if you dump] then it should be clear... but this is if you get dumped... should you push to find out why?)

thanks

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I would probably WANT to find out in some random hopes of trying to alleviate the current problem with her or in the future...

BUT

...I swear that a good 90% of the time a girl will NOT tell you the real reason she breaks up with you. For one thing, girls (like guys, natch) don't want to be seen as in the wrong, so if they reason they give is something that might make the guy feel bad (i.e. she's doing the quarterback, or just doesn't like your small wang) she won't tell you that. She'll do something like "it's not you it's me" or (my favourite) "I don't have time for a relationship right now".

So I don't even bother any more. I just assume it's a complete b.s. reason... and you know what? It usually is.
 

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its not even worth it, and you know what ... it really doesnt matter why in the end.
 

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rs,

thanks. that's actually a really good reason... i guess the reverse for a guy would be something like saying to the girl "you're not pretty enough for me to want to settle with" or something soul-shatteringly horrible like that.

argh.

that's the really ghastly thing about relationships i guess... the real reasons invariably end up being devastating? ack. this sucks.

fwiw, she told me that she felt crowded (i did not push for frequent dates, never called her, etc... but (and i suspected this was what was freaking her out) we work together everyday [it's killing me now btw]) and that she's attracted to guys that have things going on in their life... that all i do is go to work, workout... i wasn't busy enough... and that it seemed like i was waiting for something... that i don't get the things that would make myself happy like a new place or a car or vacations.

so i think she was being honest. and yeah, it hurt. basically, my socio-economic status disqualified me.

LESSON: i have simple tastes and i like having a nice nest egg in the bank... but perhaps i have to really start getting in the game in terms of status symbols... money in the bank means nothing if you've got nothing to show for it?

pk,

there's a part of me that agrees... but there's another part that thinks that if you can get an honest answer, maybe you can (no matter how painful it is) find something that might make one unlovable to women that one maybe would not otherwise know about oneself....

but considering the psychic agony... even if it's not quite on the level of 'not mattering'... maybe it's not WORTH IT?

anyway, thanks guys.

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hmmm,

i guess another reason NOT to find out is because it may not say anything beyond the preferences of a specific girl (though it may represent a specific KIND of girl)... and it could be misleadingly disheartening if you take it as a universal requirement....

meh... maybe it is?

i mean all guys are impressed with a nice a$$ and big t!t$ right....

delta
 

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Why bother?

Why bother? When it is over it is over. Instead of wasting your time listening to lies and excuses, the time could be better spent doing something more constructive, treating yourself to a new shirt, taking to OTHER girls, going for a walk, etc…..
NEVER LOOK BACK:woo: .
 

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Actually, every time you failed something (at least supposedly), it's always better to know why.

However, the true reasons will almost NEVER come out of her mouth, whether it's because she doesn't really know or she doesn't want to say it in your face. If you actually ASK HER, it's even worse. She will either ignore you or lie so you will stop stalking her.

Try to figure out by yourself what you might have done wrong, and move on. Just don't repeat the same mistakes again.

Sometimes, it's not you, it's her.
 

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To answer your question, no its not healthy to find out why. Reasons already mentioned above...
 

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Delta said:
pk,

there's a part of me that agrees... but there's another part that thinks that if you can get an honest answer, maybe you can (no matter how painful it is) find something that might make one unlovable to women that one maybe would not otherwise know about oneself....

but considering the psychic agony... even if it's not quite on the level of 'not mattering'... maybe it's not WORTH IT?
there was a time when i felt the exact same way as you are feeling now delta. the problem is not that you want an honest answer to re-evaluate things on your side so that you dont encounter the same problems in your future relationships.
the problem is not getting honest answers. people dont want to look bad so they lie or they dont want to hurt you and they lie. so there you are trying to repair the things in your life with yourself that you were told were wrong with you and they are the wrong things to be changing.
sometimes, it really is them. they have emotional problems, committment problems, or just really didnt fall for you enough to want a relationship with you, or something better came along for them.

occasionally you get the truth, and when you do, if you are anything like me... it's like stabbing you into the heart and then twisting the knife.

i guess in my experience, i have learned that sometimes there just are no answers for questions we have. every answer just leads to another question.
i came to think of it as dating was like being an avid book reader. you start a book, it is exciting and intriging. you get all into it. then you get near the end and if its really good, you hope there is a sequel, and if it sucks, you cant wait to put it down for good. then suddenly it is over. sometimes you close it with a smile and you are glad you read it. you learned alot. the other times, you slam it shut fast and give it away.
eventually, you do read another book .

basically, please dont stew in your wonders of what happened and what if's.
when you do that, you become your own victim. you know that you are way harder on yourself than another human could ever be.
 

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I'm a huge fan of Doc Love's dating advice and I think there's volumes to be said about a woman's interest level. If the relationship is going nowhere fast, than she'll get bored and begin to look at the grass that is greener.

I'm a firm believer that "once you're out, you're out" Don't try to stick around and do the friendship tip, that will only hurt and gruel the emotions more when another man is in the picture. It's better to keep our mind's clear and intent on meeting new people that can benefit our lives.

There are so many factors that can go wrong in a relationship, maybe she was not at a point in her life to seriously commit to a man because she was still trying to figure herself out and what she wanted from life. Being wrapped up in a relationship can put smoke and mirrors in front of us that cloud life's reality.

Instead of worrying about what failed, study and become a master of don juan's philosophy and keep improving yourself.

If you focus on becoming a better man, you'll eleviate most the problems that lowerered her interest level in you in the first place. You'll find a woman that is more attracted to you now than when she first previously walked by you - think about it. As you improve, so do your options do in the dating realm.

If I were to go back and ask all my previous ex's they'd probably tell the interviewer nearly identical reasons why she dropped me.

Anwers like
"He's too needy"
"He's not confident enough for me"
"I couldn't trust him to protect and take care of me"
"He's too available"
"He wasn't a challenge, I had nothing to pursue"
"He said 'I love you' so soon when he hardly even knew me" etc...

The truth may hurt? Probably, but I know now thanks to DJing what women are attracted to, and can easily spot out my insecurities do my best to remove my returning AFC ways when they reveal themselves.

If you can learn to use your observing ego to ask yourself questions like "do my actions increase her interest level or lower it" than you'll have an easier time in dating.

Here's a little NLP for you. If you must FIND OUT where you messed up in the relationship, play back the old tapes of memories in your mind when she began to withdraw affection, time, and appreciation towards you than parell it to your actions and you'll see where you messed up. Woman don't dump a guy over night. What you couldn't see is that she began to withdraw a long time ago through subtle actions.

Keep your head high on your shoulders and forgive the past mistakes you may have made. Just don't forget there's 5 billion people on this planet. The beautiful thing about a new relationship is that you get a clean slate. Hopefully you've learned more about yourself in reflection in between relationships to know more about yourself and what to do better next time. :up:
 

Never try to read a woman's mind. It is a scary place. Ignore her confusing signals and mixed messages. Assume she is interested in you and act accordingly.

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thank you one and all. all your advice and encouragement is truly a comfort to me.

i have much to say in response and some epiphanies that i've been waking up with (i guess my subconscious has been mulling over what she said and trying to make sense of it)... been writing furiously all day today. will revisit this later... soon.

something that gets forgotten for some reason on the boards but a kind word really can mend. thank you so much.

delta
 

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As they say : 'Ignorance is bliss'.

Besides, why in the hell do you want to know what an ex thinks of you? Or why it didn't work between the two of you? Big whoopidi fvcking doo. One down. A billion to go.

Do not fret over things in the past. Carpe diem.
 

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if they don't give you a reason why they dumped you. then chances are it's another guy. if the relationship was flat out boring and it wasn't going anywhere then they will tell you. if they give you the "it's not you it's me". that means i met another guy and i am starting to fall for him.

women can't stand being alone. that is a proven fact. if you think she wants time apart to think about things. in woman talk she is saying that if she doesn't find anyone better while apart, she my reconsider getting back with you temporary.
 
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