Do you think women who are victims of domestic abuse deserve it because they went for bad boys?

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It is actually the goody 2 shoes that does the unthinkable.

A bad boy, Jerk, ******* etc does bad shiet but he would much prefer a challenge and does have a code of conduct.

I myself am wary of those goody type men. Suspicious little buggers.
 

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I remember seeing an episode of Dr. Phil one time....there was this lady on there,a beautiful,BEAUTIFUL WOMAN on stage. This lady only had one eye. Her family and friends contacted Dr. Phil and brought her to the show,hoping he'd be able to help her and talk some sense into her.

The reason they brought her there was cause she had an abusive boyfriend. They weren't together anymore,he was in jail.....so she wasn't isolated by or financially dependent on him. He got sent to prison for attempted murder. The person he tried to murder....was this woman. The reason she only had one eye......was cause this dude got a gun,pointed it POINT BLANK at her face......and pulled the trigger. And this b*tch was CONSIDERING whether to go back to him or not.

Simply mindboggling. And not only that.....

When the police arrived on the scene of the shooting,she LIED TO THEM.....think she told them it was an accident or something.

It's one thing when you're trapped or feel trapped by the person when you two are in the same household,but when you're out......are free from the person,then start thinking about going back.....me personally,that's when my sympathy runs out.

If a person pointing a gun point blank at your face,and pulling the trigger isn't enough to make you want to leave,I say "f*ck it".......GO BE WITH HIM.

If they're THAT STUPID,hey........f*ck it...you win.......Go be with him.
 

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I remember seeing an episode of Dr. Phil one time....there was this lady on there,a beautiful,BEAUTIFUL WOMAN on stage. This lady only had one eye. Her family and friends contacted Dr. Phil and brought her to the show,hoping he'd be able to help her and talk some sense into her.

The reason they brought her there was cause she had an abusive boyfriend. They weren't together anymore,he was in jail.....so she wasn't isolated by or financially dependent on him. He got sent to prison for attempted murder. The person he tried to murder....was this woman. The reason she only had one eye......was cause this dude got a gun,pointed it POINT BLANK at her face......and pulled the trigger. And this b*tch was CONSIDERING whether to go back to him or not.

Simply mindboggling. And not only that.....

When the police arrived on the scene of the shooting,she LIED TO THEM.....think she told them it was an accident or something.

It's one thing when you're trapped or feel trapped by the person when you two are in the same household,but when you're out......are free from the person,then start thinking about going back.....me personally,that's when my sympathy runs out.

If a person pointing a gun point blank at your face,and pulling the trigger isn't enough to make you want to leave,I say "f*ck it".......GO BE WITH HIM.

If they're THAT STUPID,hey........f*ck it...you win.......Go be with him.
You don't want to hear my story.

Same ending.. She went back to him

It's a syndrome.. The " beaten wife syndrome"... so girls crave it
 

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It is actually the goody 2 shoes that does the unthinkable.

A bad boy, Jerk, ******* etc does bad shiet but he would much prefer a challenge and does have a code of conduct.

I myself am wary of those goody type men. Suspicious little buggers.
So you don’t think bad boy with tattoos and criminal records beat up their girlfriends?
 

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Why are you assuming that the abusers are bad boys in the first place?

I knew a guy who was a 20 year old nerd virgin who abused his first serious girlfriend who took his virginity.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Douche or orbiter. Those are the choices, for women who fail to hold out for better.

Impatience and the demand for instant gratification, narrows down the options.

So they end up with losers.

They'd be better off alone, but they're too bored out of their minds. And, the need for a man, is killing them.

It's a vicious cycle.
 

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Douche or orbiter. Those are the choices, for women who fail to hold out for better.

Impatience and the demand for instant gratification, narrows down the options.

So they end up with losers.

They'd be better off alone, but they're too bored out of their minds. And, the need for a man, is killing them.

It's a vicious cycle.
yeeeeeeeeeeep.. "Women need men". True statement.

But if a man was to listen to some advice right here on SS and get his head straight, he could realize that "Men DO NOT need women for anything but sex". And he could also learn how to get that without any of the other risks associated with dealing with women and svcking of his resources from women that are the regular normal in the blue pill world.
 

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yeeeeeeeeeeep.. "Women need men". True statement.

But if a man was to listen to some advice right here on SS and get his head straight, he could realize that "Men DO NOT need women for anything but sex". And he could also learn how to get that without any of the other risks associated with dealing with women and svcking of his resources from women that are the regular normal in the blue pill world.
I don't need them for sex either. Go figure.
 

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So you don’t think bad boy with tattoos and criminal records beat up their girlfriends?
Oh you mean those bad boys wannabes?

If you dress up as Elvis and even sing like him, does it make you Elvis ?

Edit: I repeat, a normal bad boy has no qualms beating people up, however he has certain standards to maintain, his reputation is important. If he beats his women up, that would look weak to his mates, and he'd feel weak.
 

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No one should beat up anyone unless it's in self defense or they touched your child or something.

This whole "men shouldnt hit women" thing implies that the reverse is not as bad or that a man hitting a man is not as bad.

Full equality or no equality.
It means that to be manly, one must not bully someone who is obviously weaker.

It would be normal for myself to challenge someone I deem my equal or above me, even by losing I would be stronger.
 

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I completely understand. But they are the ones who want to be treated like men in the first place.

I simply do not like how women want the traditional benefits and liberties of a male without the same exact accountability.

For example some women feel completely comfortable to put their hands on a man or just say what ever she wants (something a man wont say unlesa he wants to fight) because they don't fear retaliation.

Sorry but some people get thrown under the bus in society and its not intentional, it just kind of happens that way. I say let's stop doing to men every time.
Why do you even care what women think or do?

What you should be bothered at is yourself and how to improve yourself.

Would it be hard to dismiss women who displeased you?

Any women can want anything in the world, it's their right to want. I too can exercise my right to give or take away what I've given. Is that not fair?

Perhaps some of you did not exercise your rights as a man ?
 

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I think some of you are coming at this from your own prespectives of being rejected by a girl who went for the 'bad boy.'

Domestic violence is much more complicated than that.

How many of you have spent real time with abused women, met their kids? Read the police report detailing the abuse, read the hospital report detailing the abuse, listen to small children tell you about the abuse they witnessed. Ever hear a three year old explain how his mom lost her left eye? It didn't start with '***** was stressing him out'.

How many of you spent real time with abusers? Helped them get off drugs? Met with their probation officers? Referred them to counselling? Sat in on men's groups?

I'm a social worker, and I've done all that.

Let me tell you something, a man who beats his wife is seen as sh*t by other men in the lock up. These guys are not considered 'bad boys', by actual bad boys, so it's funny that some of you think that way.

I get that this is a men's site, but I never thought it would involve a horrible thread about how women who get beat up deserve it because they rejected the good guy to be with the bad guy.

And, considering how many guys here preach about not being the good guy, but, rather, being the bad guy, what the f**k does that even say???
Not that I agree with what many of the guys here are saying, but you have to understand what they mean. They aren’t able to word it correctly to you. Basically, we all know not to hit a woman. It’s been pounded into us for centuries and we’ve all gotten disciplined by it at some point or another (physically...). Well, if a man decides to forego the social rules prohibiting him from doing that, then you have to realize that maybe there is a real reason for them to hit the woman. Example? My sister almost cracked my skull open once when I was 8 because I ate some microwaveable burritos when we were supposed to go out to eat. She didn’t see what was wrong with it. I was on the floor bleeding from my head. My dad blew up at her, but I still got smacked across the mouth because he said it was all my fault this whole thing happened. Had that been my brother, I probably would have tried hurting her.

Or how about my own parents. Throughout my parents’ marriage, there was a time where my dad smacked my mom across he face. My (along with my siblings’) response? Good. This only happened once. She was being a straight up *****. I also forgot to mention that she almost killed my dad a dozen times. I still remember some of those times too. I wasn’t even able to walk yet. She stopped hitting him after that, whereas before she didn’t care because she felt like he wouldn’t do anything. I wished he’d done it sooner so that I wouldn’t have to deal with that trauma thinking about how evil my mom was when I was a kid. Gives me a whole new perspective about this type of thing. Plus, my dad has NEVER felt so bad in his life. He will never say sorry to anyone or anything, but I was able to see the guilt and worry on his face after he did that. I don’t ever talk about this either because he’s still the bad guy in this scenario.

So think about this. How about abused men? There are no domestic abuse hotlines for men. None. I believe there are about 80 for women if I recall correctly....

But we are supposed to be man enough to just deal with it...

When it happens to a man, he NEEDS to stay. Or else get his anus speared by the court system. Women? They choose to stay. Complex? Maybe emotionally. But only because it fulfills something dark in their subconscious....

Truthfully, I don’t have much sympathy towards them. Police take domestic abuse accusations very seriously. Even when false. And not even you can deny that, especially not in this day and age with #metoo. Domestic abuse hasn’t been allowed for centuries. Before there were laws about it too. In the 1700s and 1800s, if a man was found to beat his wife, he’d be paraded around the town in the equivalent of today’s shopping cart and would have rotten food thrown at him. Then he would be beaten by all the men in the town once that’s over. There had to be laws in place to STOP that. And then Teddy Roosevelt was campaigning to BRING IT BACK hahahaha. It’s a lot harder to be a man than you think.

And this is why a lot of the guys here are showing their disdain towards the women. Because in our brains, we would know how to not **** up a relationship to get beat, and we would know that if it IS unwarranted for whatever reason that we would just leave. It seems so simple to us. They don’t have a hard or stressful life like we do. No sexism, just fact. And you guys can’t handle these situations. Weaker sex? Maybe. But we still get in trouble for it. Hence why we have no sympathy.
 
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Not that I agree with what many of the guys here are saying, but you have to understand what they mean. They aren’t able to word it correctly to you. Basically, we all know not to hit a woman. It’s been pounded into us for centuries and we’ve all gotten disciplined by it at some point or another (physically...). Well, if a man decides to forego the social rules prohibiting him from doing that, then you have to realize that maybe there is a real reason for them to hit the woman. Example? My sister almost cracked my skull open once when I was 8 because I ate some microwaveable burritos when we were supposed to go out to eat. She didn’t see what was wrong with it. I was on the floor bleeding from my head. My dad blew up at her, but I still got smacked across the mouth because he said it was all my fault this whole thing happened. Had that been my brother, I probably would have tried hurting her.

Or how about my own parents. Throughout my parents’ marriage, there was a time where my dad smacked my mom across he face. My (along with my siblings’) response? Good. This only happened once. She was being a straight up *****. I also forgot to mention that she almost killed my dad a dozen times. I still remember some of those times too. I wasn’t even able to walk yet. She stopped hitting him after that, whereas before she didn’t care because she felt like he wouldn’t do anything. I wished he’d done it sooner so that I wouldn’t have to deal with that trauma thinking about how evil my mom was when I was a kid. Gives me a whole new perspective about this type of thing. Plus, my dad has NEVER felt so bad in his life. He will never say sorry to anyone or anything, but I was able to see the guilt and worry on his face after he did that. I don’t ever talk about this either because he’s still the bad guy in this scenario.

So think about this. How about abused men? There are no domestic abuse hotlines for men. None. I believe there are about 80 for women if I recall correctly....

But we are supposed to be man enough to just deal with it...

When it happens to a man, he NEEDS to stay. Or else get his anus speared by the court system. Women? They choose to stay. Complex? Maybe emotionally. But only because it fulfills something dark in their subconscious....

Truthfully, I don’t have much sympathy towards them. Police take domestic abuse accusations very seriously. Even when false. And not even you can deny that, especially not in this day and age with #metoo. Domestic abuse hasn’t been allowed for centuries. Before there were laws about it too. In the 1700s and 1800s, if a man was found to beat his wife, he’d be paraded around the town in the equivalent of today’s shopping cart and would have rotten food thrown at him. Then he would be beaten by all the men in the town once that’s over. There had to be laws in place to STOP that. And then Teddy Roosevelt was campaigning to BRING IT BACK hahahaha. It’s a lot harder to be a man than you think.

And this is why a lot of the guys here are showing their disdain towards the women. Because in our brains, we would know how to not **** up a relationship to get beat, and we would know that if it IS unwarranted for whatever reason that we would just leave. It seems so simple to us. They don’t have a hard or stressful life like we do. No sexism, just fact. And you guys can’t handle these situations. Weaker sex? Maybe. But we still get in trouble for it. Hence why we have no sympathy.

I remember reading somewhere that 40% of men have experienced domestic violence. No argument from me that there is a significant shortage of shelters/ support for men in those situations. There's a colleague of mine, male, former user of crack turned social worker who has started a men's group covering these issues. Me and my co-workers have been helping him apply for sustainable funding to expand. I'm very much aware of some of the double standards out there.

I don't expect men here to have sympathy for abused women. It's not that kind of site and I'm aware of that lol.

It's just sad where some of the replies come from, and the ones with the most disturbing replies have posted enough stuff in other threads for me to know how they really feel about women in general so their replies here are just an extension of that.

I posted here because of my work experience with domestic violence, I guess some of the responses triggered me to post a reply. Like when you see a post and you have a lot experience in the topic you want to reply to it.
I admit, my blood was up from some of the replies because this is a topic that touches my heart but I now just think its sad. But, it is what it is and fortunately for me, I have enough solid strong males in my life who don't think like this to know that some of the views here don't represent the average man.

So, I'm trying not to reply to some of the more bitter ones because there's literally no point, brick wall mentality. I've made that mistake before lol.

On that note, I'm not going to post anything else on this particular thread.

Cheers :)
 

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It's just sad where some of the replies come from, and the ones with the most disturbing replies have posted enough stuff in other threads for me to know how they really feel about women in general so their replies here are just an extension of that.
Yeah I notice this too. The problem is that they cannot see the whole picture because some part of their BASIC social skills are lacking. Hence their limited/narrow-minded views. That’s why I always read their username before their post. You know who is legit and who isn’t.
I posted here because of my work experience with domestic violence, I guess some of the responses triggered me to post a reply. Like when you see a post and you have a lot experience in the topic you want to reply to it.
I admit, my blood was up from some of the replies because this is a topic that touches my heart
Of course. Your life practically revolves around this sort of thing now.
But, it is what it is and fortunately for me, I have enough solid strong males in my life who don't think like this to know that some of the views here don't represent the average man.
Well most people can say the same thing about men in their lives too because they don’t understand women lol. The thing that actually IS sad is that once they begin to, this is who they become. That angry, bitter person. Why? Because there is either something that by societal standards is inherently wrong with women, or because society is wrong. Or both. I’m not angry and bitter about any of it anymore really. But that is only because have completely detached myself from societal standards and have grown up and developed with this knowledge. In other words, it’s become apart of me now. But for them, it still isn’t. The anger and bitterness comes from the feeling of betrayal. There’s a lot more that goes into it than just that, but it’s a huge part of it.
So, I'm trying not to reply to some of the more bitter ones because there's literally no point, brick wall mentality. I've made that mistake before lol.
That stems from a massive ego. They still want to believe that they are right and refuse to see another perspective. Partially because they’d also have to face themselves (their TRUE selves) and that can be EXTREMELY painful for someone to do. Ask me how I know ;)
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I don't care of you're a social worker or not. It's impossible for you to emphasize with men because you simply aren't one. I realize you think you can because you think you're "reporting from the trenches".

Outta your crack smokin mind.
She thinks that "social work" is actual work. All she's doing is sitting at a desk.

Females are barely capable of doing real work, so they get the easy jobs. Then, people give them money because they have vaginas.
 

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I remember reading somewhere that 40% of men have experienced domestic violence. No argument from me that there is a significant shortage of shelters/ support for men in those situations. There's a colleague of mine, male, former user of crack turned social worker who has started a men's group covering these issues.
The fact that there isn't much support out there for men in divorce situations demonstrates the difference between the genders. Women are more naturally social and supportive, I could see how they would work a lot harder to make sure there are systems in place to support themselves in times of trouble. Men are not so naturally nurturing. And when men do want to help other men, it's often a very tough love type of situation, tell them to "sink or swim". There aren't enough guys like your colleague.

Men are also more naturally independent, so they may be less likely to accept or seek out such help in the first place. Just like they might not like asking for directions.
 

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i think half of these situations with a man beating his woman is where woman is stressing the **** out of him.
Whenever I hear of a man beating a woman, my first question is "what did she do to piss him off?"

I believe that there are men who have anger problems and lash the fvck out on their women. However, if things start to escalate and she's pushing his buttons, I can't say I blame him for giving her a good whacking.

When I was married, me and my wife got into a few heated fights. A few of those times, she had surprisingly started pointing at her face and yelled, "Hit me. Go on. I dare you to hit me". My automatic response wasn't to hit her, but to sit back and look at how fvcking ridiculous she was acting. I can't say that other men would have the same reaction as me.

When women escalate the situation, it can cause men to lose their 5hit. If he doesn't have anger issues, then I cannot automatically put the blame on him for hitting her.
 
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