Do you think the coed ratio is now so good that young men could consider CollegeMaxxing?

[SW15]

@SW15

I think you are right on the money here man. A lot of these social circle game advice seem to work most for men who are naturally social or men who have been stagnant in one place their whole life. Such a guy is rarely going to find a forum like this or even find game because he is going to live that cookie-cutter type of life.

Men who have been stagnant in one place their whole lives are naturally going to have good social circles. From pre K-Grade 7, they don't have to worry about puberty and the urgent need to bang. They can build good female friendships/acquaintanceships. That can lead to a social circle relationship. Additionally, they can piggy back their parents' networks. These sorts of things reduce the need to cold approach or app swipe.

If you're a 20s/30s adult in the same geographical area as you were as a child, your social network is going to be deeper than a guy with multiple childhood and/or adulthood relocations.

Unfortunately, media is geared towards that kind of guy because he is normal. For that kind of a guy, the ceiling will be college in and of itself. He will get the best luck there but chances are, he knows people already when going to college. For men like us and the men on this forum who practice self-improvement, cold approach, and learning game; I think the college years are actually a detriment if anything.

If the guy is going to a state university as an in-state student, there are often a number of people from his high school going to that same in-state, state university. I'm sure both of us met guys like this while in college. Large state universities will have out of state students and international students as well. Depending on the state, numerous high schools from in-state are feeding the in-state student population.

For men, college isn't necessary. In fact, too many men are pushed to college. It would be better for more men to skip college and go to trade schools and work blue collar, trade jobs. Less Me Too and political correctness.

Nowadays, a male could do 4 years of college without doing a single cold approach between sliding into DMs on Instagram, swipe apps, and warmer approaches from social circle introductions or extracurricular groups. The man still often has to utter the first words in a warmer approach as compared to stopping a woman while walking on campus. It's still a cold approach to talk to a woman from your English 101 class.

I remember in the school I went to, it was all social circle game. If you got bold, it could backfire in a colossal way.

Boldness is not rewarded in social circles, either in college or after college. Social circles often put together average men, typically what would be called betas, and mediocre looking women.

 

[RangerMIke]

Once again, you are wrong on so many levels. In order for what you have said to be true, you'd have to have gone to a state school with a good party scene. Even then, we have confirmed on this thread that most women in college are quite plain looking and not all that hot. Moving on more from that, meeting and actually being on the radar of attractive women in college is tough because you have to be in a fraternity or a sports team to be even be visible.

As an overarching point, I do think you need to rethink what you posted. You are literally telling young men not to go to college for women but then turning around saying "oh but you will never in your entire life be around as many hot girls and it will never be this easy ever again", not exactly convincing young men raged on hormones to go to college for all the right reasons either.

You have come to a conclusion without completely digesting what I have typed. You are a predisposed idea about the way things are, and just take issue with anyone that disagrees with you. You are adding nothing to the conversation. Not sure exactly what you are trying to do here, but rather than discussing the content of what I type, you prefer to draw conclusions about me. Okay... let me clarify.. not you you actually, but for my amusement.

Once again, you are wrong on so many levels.

Oh boy... this should be fun! Nothing starts a friendly discussion lie just coming out and telling someone they are wrong.... Learn that in debate club?

In order for what you have said to be true, you'd have to have gone to a state school with a good party scene.

Partly true. Yes it was a LARGE public university, when I was there more than 30,000 students, place was huge. Party school? Afraid not, although there was lots of parties and plenty to do. Tier One Research University, ranked somewhere near the bottom of the top 50, but you wouldn't mistake it for an elite college. I have three graduate degrees, one from a school in Paris, MBA from a small school you never heard of, and a MS in Engineering from one of the best engineering schools in the country.

Even then, we have confirmed on this thread that most women in college are quite plain looking and not all that hot.

Subjective opinion, but to be clear, I never said all college women are 'hot', I said they were by and large available, young, and attractive... not hot.

Moving on more from that, meeting and actually being on the radar of attractive women in college is tough because you have to be in a fraternity or a sports team to be even be visible.

Well... no one said anything was easy. I do agree if you are an athlete it's definitely easier, but do you think being a college athlete is easy? That takes a lot of work and talent. I used to tutor athletes in college, the hours they put in at practice is enough to make your head spin. But yeah, all that work did make getting chicks easier. As far a frats... really I have no idea, the Greek frats and sororities were there, but it wasn't that much of a big deal where I went. Dorm parties were a lot more fun. My sister went to a small school in the mountains, pretty much in the middle of no-where, and yeah, at that schools Greek life was everything... so I suppose it depends on where you go to school.

As an overarching point, I do think you need to rethink what you posted. You are literally telling young men not to go to college for women but then turning around saying "oh but you will never in your entire life be around as many hot girls and it will never be this easy ever again", not exactly convincing young men raged on hormones to go to college for all the right reasons either.

I did not tell young men not to go to college. What I said was go to college if you NEED college to meet your professional goals. Otherwise... if your professional goals do not require college then you are wasting time and money... if you don't know what you want to do with your life... don't waste money going to college while you figure sh1t out. The soul purpose of college is not to meet and bang chicks... but it is a fact that you will never in your life be around so many available young attractive women... but again, that depends on where you go. If you walk on Stanford or Georgia Tech's campus... you are not going to see that many attractive women so it all depends. If you are going to college just to get chicks, (which I do not recommend) you might want to scratch those two off your list. I have been pretty consistently clear... DON"T go to college to chase girls... if you want to chase girls, depending on where you go, there will good opportunities in college. Why is this so hard for you to follow?

My point is this... a man's purpose in life should not be to get chicks. A man's purpose is to be the best version of himself possible, chicks just make your life better, they are not the reason for existence. I am not giving advice on how to get chicks... but if you have the money, and the time... and you want to go to college to get chicks it's not that hard... but you should do your homework, avoid the military academies because fraternization will get you sent in the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Coast Guard as junior enlisted. Avoid Stanford, GT, U. of Chicago, hell... any Ivy League school. I would also avoid religious schools. Look... it's not that hard to figure out what colleges chicks go to, just find one of them.

 

[MatureDJ]

In fact, you shouldn't go to college unless your career goals require a profession, and higher level education is a requirement. I think college education is important... but it can be very costly if you go without a goal or purpose. If you want to expand your knowledge of philosophy or the arts... GREAT... go ahead and audit the classes. Most professors, if you go up and ask them that all you want to do is sit in on lectures, they will let you do it and long as there is room. Then you are NOT paying insane tuition, or the pressure of grades.

These days, there are course lecture videos online (and textbooks PDFs via torrent), so one doesn't even need to be in the classroom, although trying to play CollegeGame obviously requires being there.

 

[Degenerate Haven]

@RangerMIke

As someone who went to an SEC school (not quite Alabama-level talent with the hot girls but definitely up there), I am here debating you on the notion that you will never be around as many attractive and available women as you would be in college is completely false. College is a mirage by and large, that is what I am getting at here. It seems good on paper but in action, you learn fast why most college men are incel and why it drives them to so much frustration.

At my school, it was literally like this.

1. Clear difference between sororities. The hottest girls were in the top 3 or 4 and even there, there was a drop off. The hottest girls in the hottest sorority were the 9s and such but those were rare and usually wifed up by football stars. Meanwhile, most girls were in the 7 range at best and you still got your 6s.

2. Girls outside of that group were toss ups, average sororities had their 6s and occasional 7s.

3. Geed girls were occasionally hot but usually they were plain average. You also got a lot of 4s and 3s with the SJW crowd. Sit in an average college lecture at a large SEC school, you will at max get 10 cute and girls in a group of 100 man.

For most men, forget category 1, those went for sports stars and frat guys. Forget the whole familiarity thing, you are dead to them if you are not in their cliques. You say that a young man will never be around so many attractive women but the reality is that most of the women are not attractive and most of the attractive ones unapproachable for most college-aged guys.

You say it is all in the state schools, well you can say that about the real world too. Obviously there is a difference between moving to Podunk versus Miami after college.

I compare this to being in NYC or at a bar in Manhattan, the talent in NYC blows the talent at my school at out of the water by a lot. The women are more approachable at bars since the Greek Life crap is out the window and things like your looks and game win you dates.

This is my experience as someone who has gone to the ideal college campus in a college town and now lives in a world class city. The notion that you will never be around as many attractive and available women as you are in college is entirely false.

 

[RangerMIke]

I am here debating you on the notion that you will never be around as many attractive and available women as you would be in college is completely false.

I posted my opinion: you posted yours. End of discussion. Let me ask you a rhetorical question... why are you so hell bent on proving me wrong? You are not going to change my mind... I am not going to change yours... that's okay. Our opinions are based on experience.... yours will be different from mine so it's only natural.

College is a mirage by and large, that is what I am getting at here. It seems good on paper but in action, you learn fast why most college men are incel and why it drives them to so much frustration.

It all depends on what you expect... and what you do when you are in an environment. Women will always chase the top tier men... in college, at work, in a club, walking around the streets. It's the nature of women. What is top tier? It depends on where you are.

1. Clear difference between sororities. The hottest girls were in the top 3 or 4 and even there, there was a drop off. The hottest girls in the hottest sorority were the 9s and such but those were rare and usually wifed up by football stars.

Well duh... In college the top tier men are going to be the athletes. You want the super hot chicks in college, then start working on yourself in Jr. High School and become an athlete. You want super hot chicks when you are in your 30s and 40s... again, bust your @ss, make money, keep fit, get a nice car.... learn the game. Again it all depends on where you are. But really, unless you are just banging them and moving on.... if you spend you life chasing an longing after 'hot chicks' you are going to be frustrated because there is always going to be a dude better than you she will gravitate towards. The news feeds are filled with stories about pro athletes and super wealthy men getting robbed in divorce court by their 'hot wives'. Going after 9s & 10s typically ends in frustration.

Meanwhile, most girls were in the 7 range at best and you still got your 6s.

Yeah so... average is 5... if we have to use a number system, most women will be a five. Anything over "5" would be considered attractive. But again what I think is a 5 will be different from what you consider a 5, and it will change as you get older.... Again, that's okay.

For most men, forget category 1, those went for sports stars and frat guys. Forget the whole familiarity thing, you are dead to them if you are not in their cliques. You say that a young man will never be around so many attractive women but the reality is that most of the women are not attractive and most of the attractive ones unapproachable for most college-aged guys.

To be clear... I NEVER said that if you go to college you will land hotties... what I said was you will be around them, what you do at that point is really up to you. What you do and how you show up will be the definition of success. You have to have opportunity otherwise nothing happens... you could be 6'3" earning a six figure income, with model good looks, from a good family with boat loads of social value and wealth. But if you are working an oil field in Saudi Arabia, in the middle of a desert, you are not going to get chicks.

I compare this to being in NYC or at a bar in Manhattan, the talent in NYC blows the talent at my school at out of the water by a lot. The women are more approachable at bars since the Greek Life crap is out the window and things like your looks and game win you dates.

This is my experience as someone who has gone to the ideal college campus in a college town and now lives in a world class city. The notion that you will never be around as many attractive and available women as you are in college is entirely false.

It is not false... they were there. You just had high standards, and that is okay... never settle for less than what you want. Consider yourself lucky that you didn't get distracted by pointless pursuit of flakey late teen, early 20s chicks, but they are there... dudes are fvcking them... you just weren't one of them. Again, so what? You put in the work and now you are doing better, the older you get the more attractive you become... the older the woman gets... her SMV drops. Take a super hot chick in college, add 20 years and she drops like a rock. Take a average dude in college who focused on his studies add 20 years... now he's a catch as long as he has a decent career and takes care of himself. The college atmosphere did not suit your personality, where you are... does.

 

[SW15]

@RangerMIke
As someone who went to an SEC school (not quite Alabama-level talent with the hot girls but definitely up there), I am here debating you on the notion that you will never be around as many attractive and available women as you would be in college is completely false. College is a mirage by and large, that is what I am getting at here. It seems good on paper but in action, you learn fast why most college men are incel and why it drives them to so much frustration.

You'll see more attractive women on a college campus than out and about during the day in most U.S. cities. Go to a college campus and try to do random approaching vs. try to run day game on the street/walking path/hiking path in a large city. I think the looks on campus would be better since it is mostly 18-24 year olds on campus. Most of the large campuses have a gym/recreation center. Compare the talent at the gym/recreation vs. a 24 Hour Fitness or LA Fitness in a large city that is frequented by a post college crowd/not affiliated with college crowd.

The idea that college is a mirage is one that I think has merit. I don't think most college men are incel but sexlessness percentages have increased in the past 15-20 years for men of the typical college age. College men are not having that much casual sex. The typical experience for a college man is a typical beta experience. The guy gets sex if he is able to get a steady girlfriend. When he doesn't have a steady girlfriend, he's not having that much sex. Fraternities make it easier to get a steady girlfriend but that's not even a guarantee.

I would argue that the Boomer/early Gen X beta male who went to college from 1970-1989 had an easier time with sex frequency by getting a girlfriend that the Millennial or now Gen Z beta male who went to college 2000-present.

Many Millennial men who have graduated will look back on the college experiences and feel frustrated about their experiences in the mating environments on campus in the 2000s and 2010s.

At my school, it was literally like this.

1. Clear difference between sororities. The hottest girls were in the top 3 or 4 and even there, there was a drop off. The hottest girls in the hottest sorority were the 9s and such but those were rare and usually wifed up by football stars. Meanwhile, most girls were in the 7 range at best and you still got your 6s.

2. Girls outside of that group were toss ups, average sororities had their 6s and occasional 7s.

3. Geed girls were occasionally hot but usually they were plain average. You also got a lot of 4s and 3s with the SJW crowd. Sit in an average college lecture at a large SEC school, you will at max get 10 cute and girls in a group of 100 man.

What is a Geed girl? This sums up the social scene at my college accurately.

For most men, forget category 1, those went for sports stars and frat guys. Forget the whole familiarity thing, you are dead to them if you are not in their cliques. You say that a young man will never be around so many attractive women but the reality is that most of the women are not attractive and most of the attractive ones unapproachable for most college-aged guys.

You say it is all in the state schools, well you can say that about the real world too. Obviously there is a difference between moving to Podunk versus Miami after college.

I compare this to being in NYC or at a bar in Manhattan, the talent in NYC blows the talent at my school at out of the water by a lot. The women are more approachable at bars since the Greek Life crap is out the window and things like your looks and game win you dates.

This is my experience as someone who has gone to the ideal college campus in a college town and now lives in a world class city. The notion that you will never be around as many attractive and available women as you are in college is entirely false.

Most men could approach category 1 randomly while walking on campus between classes, on the way to the library, by the student union, and so on. That would be one of the two best ways to get category 1 women. Most men are unaware of this style of game. When I was an undergrad, I didn't know much about random day approaching. Approaching them right before the start of a class or as people exit a class is another possibility, and that's more well known. Doing either random campus approaching or approaching a classmate in the 5 mins before/after class is a tough path to follow, for both Category 1 elite women and second tier cute women. You'll get a decent amount of rejections, even if you're a decent looking guy doing this. I approached some women as classes were ending when I was an undergrad and I didn't get the warmest receptions for doing so.

Campus clubs/extracurriculars are best for finding cute indies. My school was only 12-15% Greek so there were enough cute indie women. Most of the best looking women were in Greek Life so likely the best an indie man could do was some cute indie from extracurriculars, a class, maybe the gym, or a private residence party.

An NYC bar vs. college campus is an apples and oranges comparison. Compare an NYC bar to the top near campus bars for an apples to apples comparison. Earlier, I compared day game in a city to day game on campus.

 

[Degenerate Haven]

The reason I am debating this is because I think the notion that you will never be around as many attractive women as you were in your college days is not only false but also toxic to young men, it creates a scarcity mindset which is why so many men obsess with women in college. As we have said, it really depends on the college in the first place and very few fit the bill of being packed to the brim with hot girls.

I already said my story, I went to a top tier SEC school which at one point was even rated the best party school in the country. Even going to the top notch bars there where all of the top frats and sororities were as well as walking around on campus, it cannot hold a candle to walking around in the LES of Manhattan or in West Village, either that or Brickle in Miami.

Even when I talk to my friends who went to Arizona or Arizona St, I hear similar experiences. Sure those college had their dimes but even their bars cannot compare to the best quality places in NYC, where literally every other top tier girl from a top tier sorority moves to. I stand by my statement that to think you will never be around as many hot girls as you were in college is completely false and a load of bogus along with just being a toxic statement that pushes young men the wrong way, creating scarcity.

The reason most men hype up college so much is because for the rich kids, it is made for them to screw around and they have everything set up to at least meet a girl. After college, they no longer have that frat status so they have to figure things out which most of them never do.

 

[IKO69]

Certain degrees have more women like Nursing,Fashion,Arts,Psychology and Social Science. But most men go for STEM which is a sausage fest.

As they should, because it's better for their future, although Nursing is a good profession if guys happen to like that sort of thing.

The reason I am debating this is because I think the notion that you will never be around as many attractive women as you were in your college days is not only false but also toxic to young men, it creates a scarcity mindset which is why so many men obsess with women in college. As we have said, it really depends on the college in the first place and very few fit the bill of being packed to the brim with hot girls.

I already said my story, I went to a top tier SEC school which at one point was even rated the best party school in the country. Even going to the top notch bars there where all of the top frats and sororities were as well as walking around on campus, it cannot hold a candle to walking around in the LES of Manhattan or in West Village, either that or Brickle in Miami.

Even when I talk to my friends who went to Arizona or Arizona St, I hear similar experiences. Sure those college had their dimes but even their bars cannot compare to the best quality places in NYC, where literally every other top tier girl from a top tier sorority moves to. I stand by my statement that to think you will never be around as many hot girls as you were in college is completely false and a load of bogus along with just being a toxic statement that pushes young men the wrong way, creating scarcity.

The reason most men hype up college so much is because for the rich kids, it is made for them to screw around and they have everything set up to at least meet a girl. After college, they no longer have that frat status so they have to figure things out which most of them never do.

There's truth to it - it's a great time to meet young, good looking women before they settle into their career/get locked down.

It's not the end of the world if you miss the boat though. You just have to put yourself out there - take advantage of all the different functions/events.

 

[Degenerate Haven]

STEM is so worthless unless you go for Computer Sciences and engineering. I had friends who majored in Biology and are now serving lattes at Starbucks because without grad school, you are screwed, same with chemistry. Most life science classes seem to be filled with Asian and Indian kids forced into that major by their parents.

 

[SW15]

I think the notion that you will never be around as many attractive women as you were in your college days is not only false but also toxic to young men, it creates a scarcity mindset which is why so many men obsess with women in college. As we have said, it really depends on the college in the first place and very few fit the bill of being packed to the brim with hot girls.

I think it is a fair point to say if a man finds himself single after college, it's not the end of the world because there are options and good options in his post college city. If you believe what I believe that all relationships are transient, most men will break up with their college girlfriends by age 25-27 or so if they haven't put a ring on it. For the men that graduate at 21-22 without a girlfriend, they go straight into post college dating in their first post college city.

Another option is graduate school. Graduate school is not a casual sex place. On most campuses, there isn't much interaction between graduate level students and undergraduates. Additionally, men that would form exclusive, longer term relationships in graduate school would be more beta than men forming exclusive, longer term relationships in undergrad. The undergrad guy has the advantage here since he gets more of her physical prime and she's less likely to be careerist/feminist/SJW. If you're a woman in graduate school for law, medicine, or business, you're going to have to be a careerist/feminist when you get out to justify the tuition expense.

I already said my story, I went to a top tier SEC school which at one point was even rated the best party school in the country. Even going to the top notch bars there where all of the top frats and sororities were as well as walking around on campus, it cannot hold a candle to walking around in the LES of Manhattan or in West Village, either that or Brickle in Miami.

Even when I talk to my friends who went to Arizona or Arizona St, I hear similar experiences. Sure those college had their dimes but even their bars cannot compare to the best quality places in NYC, where literally every other top tier girl from a top tier sorority moves to. I stand by my statement that to think you will never be around as many hot girls as you were in college is completely false and a load of bogus along with just being a toxic statement that pushes young men the wrong way, creating scarcity.

If you hang around the game long enough and are in a Top 20 metro area, you'll be able to get with attractive women from top southern U.S. state universities.

The reason most men hype up college so much is because for the rich kids, it is made for them to screw around and they have everything set up to at least meet a girl. After college, they no longer have that frat status so they have to figure things out which most of them never do.

Yes, the young men that come from upper middle class and higher income families have an advantage there. Many are in fraternities but some are independents.

I would think that with a degree and family money, you could at least get by post college once your last college girlfriend disappears. Apparently, even these guys have issues navigating the post college dating landscape.

STEM is so worthless unless you go for Computer Sciences and engineering. I had friends who majored in Biology and are now serving lattes at Starbucks because without grad school, you are screwed, same with chemistry. Most life science classes seem to be filled with Asian and Indian kids forced into that major by their parents.

I would think with a Biology or Chemistry degree that a person could get some labratory or other science type and not a menial McJob.