Do you think the coed ratio is now so good that young men could consider CollegeMaxxing?

[MatureDJ]

This seems to be the one domestic place where men have an advantage, and indeed, most coeds would rather date a college man, even accepting a normie-tier collegiate to a Chad-tier non-collegiate.

The new minority on campus? Men - The Hechinger Report

PITTSBURGH — Jessica Smith raised an arm and pointed across the lobby of the university student center like an ornithologist who had just spied a rare breed in the underbrush. This story also appeared in The Atlantic “There’s one,” she said. It was, in fact, an unusual bird that Smith had...

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And look at the poon-fest at this college-bar in Iceland!

In one country, women now outnumber men in college by two to one

In Iceland, there are more women than men in college by two to one. The reasons for this offer lessons for other countries heading in the same direction.

hechingerreport.org

 

[Georgepithyou]

Certain degrees have more women like Nursing,Fashion,Arts,Psychology and Social Science. But most men go for STEM which is a sausage fest.

 

[Mike32ct]

Women generally don’t lower their standards when they have superior numbers. Only men do that.

But it’s definitely a home run for Chads, Chadlites and upper-tier normies.

 

[Degenerate Haven]

I think these articles must be outdated, the ratio is like like 51% to 49% type we are talking about. I went to a top 10 party school, like featured on Playboy and it was even number 1 during one of the years when I went. Here is what the lowdown was:

1. Most girls were really plain, far from hot.

2. The best looking girls were all in sororities.

3. It was cliquish as heck, you didn't need to be a hot guy to get the girls, what mattered more than being hot was lucking into the right social circles. You had to invest so much time into annoying social circles.

4. Me Too culture was on full blast, knew more than enough guys who had got hit with a fake accusation.

Never going back, so glad I graduated.

 

[CoandaEffect]

Men do not have any advantage on campus. Are we to believe that the women are only dating the guys on campus? With all the dating apps (Tinder etc) women are still spoilt for choice.

 

[Sam_J]

Men do not have any advantage on campus. Are we to believe that the women are only dating the guys on campus? With all the dating apps (Tinder etc) women are still spoilt for choice.

Yeah for sure, a girl I knew in college was dating like 32-34 year old men lol

 

[Bokanovsky]

1. Most girls were really plain, far from hot.

This is true of most colleges and universities. It’s not like these places are brimming with Victoria secret models. Most college girls are average and below average looking - the kind of girls you wouldn’t give a second look. Hot girls still have a lot of guys competing over them, both on and off campus.

 

[SW15]

I think these articles must be outdated, the ratio is like like 51% to 49% type we are talking about. I went to a top 10 party school, like featured on Playboy and it was even number 1 during one of the years when I went. Here is what the lowdown was:

The articles are accurate on ratios. Even though many colleges are around a 55% female/45% male ratio now, college still isn't a magical pusssy place for most men. The bottom 50% of men are invisible to the top 90% of women. Men from the 51st to the 80th percentile are not killing it either. Most of the guys in that class have to get girlfriends to get regular action, and locking down a 18-22 year old her prime is no easy task. The article below is a good one about college life, even for frat guys in respectable frats at big state schools.

The night I learned the reality about Fraternity Life.

As those of you who know my story or have come across it spread across many posts, you know that I was never the popular frat boy type in college or even in any fraternities despite going to a scho…

millennialbachelor.com

Also, although the college campus itself is more skewed female, the campus is likely located in a city where single men outnumber single females up to age 40. Women have the option of dating men outside of campus, though their record on doing this is mixed. Graduate schools on campus are also more male if the undergrad ratio is skewed more female.

I attended and graduated from a school with a similar profile to the one that @Degenerate Haven attended and graduated. I attended in the early to mid 2000s. I'll address his points below.

1. Most girls were really plain, far from hot.

I didn't feel that way, but I can see your point. I remember saying to myself and a good high school friend that the attractiveness level of the women on campus was immense. The most attractive females from high school wouldn't have registered in the top tier of women at my large, public, state university.

2. The best looking girls were all in sororities.

At this university, only about 12-15% of all students were in Greek Life at the time. Most of the best looking women were in sororities.

3. It was cliquish as heck, you didn't need to be a hot guy to get the girls, what mattered more than being hot was lucking into the right social circles. You had to invest so much time into annoying social circles.

I'd agree with this. If you weren't a fraternity guy, you had to run somewhat of sniper game to be successful. If I had to do it over again, I would do more random day game type approaches while walking campus. Few men were doing this in the mid-2000s. I didn't start day gaming seriously until my late 20s. College campuses have some day game options if you linger in the right spots on campus or try to do approaches as classes let out. I did more approaching at random residence parties that were often so large that social circles weren't big. Yes, social circles and Greek Life were a big thing on campus. Although Greek Life was only 12-15% of students, they had an outsized influence on the university's night party scene. Day game skill would probably have been the way to get around this.

4. Me Too culture was on full blast, knew more than enough guys who had got hit with a fake accusation.

In the early to mid-2000s, this was less evident but still a thing. There were dorm seminars around sexual assault and rape culture and the campus newspaper ran articles about this sort of stuff. It could have been called the precursor to the Me Too movement.

 

[Degenerate Haven]

The problem isn't that college is a bad place to pick up, get a girlfriend, or even get laid; the issue is that it is portrayed as being the best place in the world for it without people acknowledging any of the limitations. I went to a top 10 party school and we had our fair share of above-average looking women.

What I found to be the biggest disadvantage of college is not just how much status mattered but how so many girls felt like the eyes were on them if they were to be seen with the wrong guy. I was not the popular frat dude but lo and behold, I learned for sure that my looks weren't the problem. Three girls who were shy around me in college saw the same me in NYC over the summers, they were now coming up to me and saying they recognized me. One even went home with me and we f-cked.

From what she told me, there is a big pressure to conform to your crew and not get caught with the wrong person. This is why you do not really see that many guys picking up on college campuses if they are older. College is in many ways an extension of high school, thank Greek Life for that.

For guys like us who are into cold approaching and meeting random women, college is actually terrible because if she is hot, she likely feels the eyes of her crew on her.

 

[RangerMIke]

Don't go to college to get chicks... that's just crazy.

In fact, you shouldn't go to college unless your career goals require a profession, and higher level education is a requirement. I think college education is important... but it can be very costly if you go without a goal or purpose. If you want to expand your knowledge of philosophy or the arts... GREAT... go ahead and audit the classes. Most professors, if you go up and ask them that all you want to do is sit in on lectures, they will let you do it and long as there is room. Then you are NOT paying insane tuition, or the pressure of grades.

The worst advice I've ever heard about college is "Just go to college... you'll figure out what you want to do when you are there." Terrible... By the time you graduate from HS, you are an adult... 75 years ago most 18 year old women were married with a kid on the way: Men were storming the beaches of Normandy. Too many people look at college as out-patient parenting.

If you are 18... and you do not know what you want to do in life... you are putting yourself at a serious competitive disadvantage. You have to have a plan... now there is nothing that says you can't change your plan, that's fine, but it's like the Cheshire Cat... If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there. Having no plan is not a plan.

Having said that, I will say that never in your life will you be surrounded by so many attractive women where you have built in rapport. It will never be easier to find chicks then when you are in college. But again... women, even college women, are going to be a lot more attracted to you if you are working on a plan for your life.... if you put her ahead of your studies, you will not be that attractive. She has to fit in your life... she has to work for your attention. Now what makes this hard is that you have a lot of weak men that are just there to party... and they will get a lot of chicks. If you are too busy grinding, well... you WILL lose out on a lot of chicks because it's easy for them to get attention from idiots. You can not let this bother you... you have to have the attitude that it is her loss. The quality women will be attracted to you... then all you have to do is try and make something happen, but not at the expense of your purpose for being there.

Best advice for college:
(1) Have a plan, have a schedule and stick to it.
(2) Grades come first
(3) Make time to work out (VERY important)
(4) Don't start eating like an idiot.
(5) Don't binge drink, EVER.
(6) Don't take drugs... (pot every now and then is fine, but don't go past that)
(7) Get involved in some campus activity that you are interested in. Could be anything (Greek culture, Chess, Rep/Dem student groups, Religious groups, intramurals) It doesn't matter as long as it something you like that requires socialization. Don't sit in your room with an X-Box with the same 3 friends drinking beer and eating pizza.
(8) Chicks come last, because if you do the first seven, they will find you.

 

[SW15]

The problem isn't that college is a bad place to pick up, get a girlfriend, or even get laid; the issue is that it is portrayed as being the best place in the world for it without people acknowledging any of the limitations.

It is important to discuss the limitations. The article I posted above about fraternity life portrayed fraternity life as better for getting girlfriends through social circle game than actually pumping up the notch count significantly in most cases. Depending on the school, the bigger notch count getting guys are the football and basketball players with real NFL/NBA potential. Some baseball guys can do well if they have solid MLB prospects. In a large state school, the NBA/NFL/MLB prospects are a minimal percentage of men. Some smaller sport guys, such as tennis, soccer, or swimming, can do well with racking up notches with the right look. Those guys aren't going to get pro sports money in the future. Almost no one plays college tennis if they have ATP/WTA pro tennis tour potential.

The girlfriends that most fraternity men get are usually temporary. Those college romantic relationships are over by the time the guy is somewhere between 25-30 if he doesn't put a ring on it. If somehow a fraternity man marries his sorority woman college girlfriend, there's a good chance it ends in divorce by 40.

I'll occasionally peer into the social media profiles of the women from the top sororities of my early to mid-2000s era in college. Now that we're in our late 30s, most of the women married some post-college guy and have kids.

What I found to be the biggest disadvantage of college is not just how much status mattered but how so many girls felt like the eyes were on them if they were to be seen with the wrong guy. I was not the popular frat dude but lo and behold, I learned for sure that my looks weren't the problem. Three girls who were shy around me in college saw the same me in NYC over the summers, they were now coming up to me and saying they recognized me. One even went home with me and we f-cked.

From what she told me, there is a big pressure to conform to your crew and not get caught with the wrong person. This is why you do not really see that many guys picking up on college campuses if they are older. College is in many ways an extension of high school, thank Greek Life for that.

For guys like us who are into cold approaching and meeting random women, college is actually terrible because if she is hot, she likely feels the eyes of her crew on her.

Everything you describe here is indicative of Greek Life. This is less true of indie (non sorority) women. However, even indie women consider their crew to some extent.

I group women's looks into 4 broad categories: Below Average, Average, Cute, and Hot.

If you're a Hot woman, there's a high probability you are in a sorority at a large state school like the ones @Degenerate Haven and I attended.

Cute women can be either sorority or indie. If you're an indie guy, the best you can do is a cute indie female. Making her a girlfriend is a decent idea but know that the girlfriend role is likely temporary, don't put a ring on it, and expect it to be over by your 25th birthday (assuming you attending college from 18-21/22.

Some women will date non-student older men but that's not overly common. An older, graduate student male has a better inside track on an undergrad female. However, in a lot of schools, the graduate and undergraduate populace do not interact all that much.

Best advice for college:
(1) Have a plan, have a schedule and stick to it.
(2) Grades come first
(3) Make time to work out (VERY important)
(4) Don't start eating like an idiot.
(5) Don't binge drink, EVER.
(6) Don't take drugs... (pot every now and then is fine, but don't go past that)
(7) Get involved in some campus activity that you are interested in. Could be anything (Greek culture, Chess, Rep/Dem student groups, Religious groups, intramurals) It doesn't matter as long as it something you like that requires socialization. Don't sit in your room with an X-Box with the same 3 friends drinking beer and eating pizza.
(8) Chicks come last, because if you do the first seven, they will find you.

Mostly true. Number 8 would happen in the form of good IOIs.

Number 7 is the most important. Number 7 is the best way to meet women with the least amount of difficulty and it gives you the best chance to meet someone who is girlfriend material.

Number 3 is the next most important because it will help you look good for women. Number 4 goes along with that.

Number 5 is where college men make the biggest mistakes. They either join frats and get blasted drunk at frat parties expecting that's how they'll pick up women or they are indie men at private residence parties trying to get laid there. This is a more difficult path to women, especially for the indie guy at the private residence parties. The private residence parties are either at off campus houses or off campus apartment complexes and the social ties at these parties are often weak. Generally, these are pre-cursors to night game at bars for the 18-20 year old set.

 

[Degenerate Haven]

I once again disagree with the scarcity mindset that @RangerMIke is pushing by saying that never ever in your life will you be surrounded by so many girls with built in rapport. Dude, that means very very little and this is why so many college men get tricked into chasing that partying and desperation lifestyle. Most women do not care if you go to the same college as her, you are old news to her for the most part and good ole hypergamy still kicks in. If anything, that rapport limits your options because women know they cannot be seen with you if other girls are seeing you since you are THAT GUY and she does not want to be a slut.

Why do most rape accusations happen? Because she does not want to be seen as that slut.

IMO, college is a mirage. You can easily rival college life by living in a young neighborhood in a major city. If you want to really take advantage of those logistics, here is what you really do.

1. Find a job at a college bar when you are in that age range.
2. Work your way up to bartender.

There you go, that will net you better luck than being in a frat and you will make some cash. Once again though, you can easily rival college life logistics by being in a major city or just staying in vacation destinations. College life is grossly overrated for logistics.

 

[RangerMIke]

I once again disagree with the scarcity mindset that @RangerMIke is pushing by saying that never ever in your life will you be surrounded by so many girls with built in rapport. Dude, that means very very little and this is why so many college men get tricked into chasing that partying and desperation lifestyle. Most women do not care if you go to the same college as her, you are old news to her for the most part and good ole hypergamy still kicks in. If anything, that rapport limits your options because women know they cannot be seen with you if other girls are seeing you since you are THAT GUY and she does not want to be a slut.

Why do most rape accusations happen? Because she does not want to be seen as that slut.

IMO, college is a mirage. You can easily rival college life by living in a young neighborhood in a major city. If you want to really take advantage of those logistics, here is what you really do.

1. Find a job at a college bar when you are in that age range.
2. Work your way up to bartender.

There you go, that will net you better luck than being in a frat and you will make some cash. Once again though, you can easily rival college life logistics by being in a major city or just staying in vacation destinations. College life is grossly overrated for logistics.

All this is great as long as your purpose in life is chasing pvssy. Not saying there is anything wrong with that if that is what you want to do, but yeah... I think I said don't go to college unless it is something you need... but once you take that step, finishing college should be what you are focused on.... not chasing tail. So I think you and I are in agreement.

Did I say you had to be in college to go after college girls? No I didn't... in fact, if you live near a college town, have a regular job, and your free time is free... and you actually have money, you will actually do better with college chicks because college dudes, unless they are wasting their time, are busy with college.

But please explain to me what you mean by having a 'scarcity mindset'. I did not realize that was what I was describing. I read my post again and I still don't see it. Please o wise one, tell me how what I said indicates desperation.

 

[Degenerate Haven]

All this is great as long as your purpose in life is chasing pvssy. Not saying there is anything wrong with that if that is what you want to do, but yeah... I think I said don't go to college unless it is something you need... but once you take that step, finishing college should be what you are focused on.... not chasing tail. So I think you and I are in agreement.

Did I say you had to be in college to go after college girls? No I didn't... in fact, if you live near a college town, have a regular job, and your free time is free... and you actually have money, you will actually do better with college chicks because college dudes, unless they are wasting their time, are busy with college.

But please explain to me what you mean by having a 'scarcity mindset'. I did not realize that was what I was describing. I read my post again and I still don't see it. Please o wise one, tell me how what I said indicates desperation.

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I will say that never in your life will you be surrounded by so many attractive women where you have built in rapport. It will never be easier to find chicks then when you are in college.

I disagree with this. The built-in rapport is very very overrated, college is high school popularity contest on roids. Also, as someone who went to a top 10 party school, believe me when I say that most major cities blow it way out the water with the abundance of good-looking women. It is very tough to game in college because of social politics.

To think that college is the last chance in life to see a lot of attractive women is asinine.

 

[SW15]

To think that college is the last chance in life to see a lot of attractive women is asinine.

I agree. Since graduating college, I have lived in 2 Top 15 metro areas in the U.S.

Both of these metro areas have had active nightlife scenes. Additionally, both have had some day game options with attractive women. The majority of the attractive women I've seen since graduating college were not undergraduate students.

I think there are some social structures in college that make finding romantic relationships with longevity easier. The extracurricular activity groups on college campuses are difficult to replicate outside of college. Cold approaching randomly on campus during the day would lead to more attractive women than doing cold approaches in a singles dense neighborhood at a grocery store.

How much longevity can be expected out of your college girlfriend? Not much is the answer. Expecting to be with your college girlfriend beyond 5 years and have it still be good is against the odds. Most relationships will break up within 5 years of graduation. My closest friend has defied these odds as he now has exceeded 10 years with his college girlfriend, marrying her a few years back. 10+ years ago, she was borderline cute/hot and I rated her a 7 when I first met them as recent college graduates with 1 year long relationship. Now, 10 years later, she's in her early 30s and carrying around a spare tire in her midsection and they haven't had any kids. Her rating has dropped in my book over the course of 10 years, from a 7 initially to a 4.7 today. My friend has stayed in shape too. As a side note, they met through their college social circle, though neither was a Greek Life participant.

 

[Degenerate Haven]

I think average guys and more shy guys love college more because of the social circle vibe and closeness of it all. Guys who are naturally cold approachers and players do not thrive in college environments because of the emphasis on the social circle. Something to think of for sure. I do think that most men here will love a college environment but a shy AFC with some social skills will because of that closeness.

 

[RangerMIke]

See below

I disagree with this. The built-in rapport is very very overrated, college is high school popularity contest on roids. Also, as someone who went to a top 10 party school, believe me when I say that most major cities blow it way out the water with the abundance of good-looking women. It is very tough to game in college because of social politics.

To think that college is the last chance in life to see a lot of attractive women is asinine.

I did not say it was the last time in your life when you will be around attractive women? But yes, never in your life will you be around as many available young and attractive women... that was my truth, I suppose depending on where you go to university it might be different.

Sure cities have lots of attractive women, but it's not easy to meet them and it will cost you more time and money. College is like shooting ducks in a barrel.... all you have to do is make just a small effort.

I went to college in the late 80s, so you do have a point that many college campuses today are over the top as far as social politics, but you have that everywhere now. Things were different then, so to your point my experience might not reflect current reality... but I say again, don't go to college unless you absolutely need a degree as a condition of a profession you are interested in. Heck... policemen, plumbers, and electricians earn more than the average college graduate, and you aren't going to be carrying a mountain of tuition debt. Cops do really well with women... at least my friends that are cops do.

 

[SW15]

I think average guys and more shy guys love college more because of the social circle vibe and closeness of it all. Guys who are naturally cold approachers and players do not thrive in college environments because of the emphasis on the social circle. Something to think of for sure. I do think that most men here will love a college environment but a shy AFC with some social skills will because of that closeness.

There's merit to this. Yes, to average guys liking the social circle vibe.

I think social circle approaches are easier than cold approaching in bars or in non-bar venues. The reason why dating websites and later swipe apps got big is because cold approaching is difficult. Most men also don't have the guts to approach a woman in a non-bar venue when sober and create a romantic vibe. This is why night game exists, because it is easier to do with liquid courage. Even for the men that have the guts to do it, cold approaching is a difficult path to follow, especially non-bar approaching.

Some men don't have what it takes to have effective social circles in life. The men I've observed with the best social circles tend to be men who are geographically fixed throughout life. Their parents didn't relocate them during the K-12 years and they stayed in the same area as the K-12 years as adults. These guys have it easier in terms of getting into relationships when single but they also tend to be more blue pill/beta males.

College social circles also tend to evaporate soon after college. The typical 30 or 35 year old isn't seeing his college era friends much. And, as illustrated earlier, college romantic relationships tend to falter within 5 years of graduation. I think there are men who don't have the social circles they had in college when they find themselves single in their late 20s or as a divorced guy in their 30s and they falter as compared to single times when they were either in high school or college.

Greek Life is best for finding girlfriends in sororities and less so for one night stands and casual sex, which is possible with a cold approach or app swiping life post college.

I went to college in the late 80s, so you do have a point that many college campuses today are over the top as far as social politics, but you have that everywhere now. Things were different then, so to your point my experience might not reflect current reality

I think the college environment was better in the late 1980s than the early to mid 2000s when I was there and for those who graduated after I did.

For decades, as more people went to college, more people formed extended romantic relationships from interactions on campus (often with the college social structure of Greek Life or extracurriculars) with the man warm approaching the woman. Around 2000, as the Millennials were first getting to college, formation of long lasting relationships in college diminished. This also coincides with the Millennials having poor social skills and the rise of internet technology, which worsened the social skills of Millennials.

 

[Degenerate Haven]

I did not say it was the last time in your life when you will be around attractive women? But yes, never in your life will you be around as many available young and attractive women... that was my truth, I suppose depending on where you go to university it might be different.

Sure cities have lots of attractive women, but it's not easy to meet them and it will cost you more time and money. College is like shooting ducks in a barrel.... all you have to do is make just a small effort.

I went to college in the late 80s, so you do have a point that many college campuses today are over the top as far as social politics, but you have that everywhere now. Things were different then, so to your point my experience might not reflect current reality... but I say again, don't go to college unless you absolutely need a degree as a condition of a profession you are interested in. Heck... policemen, plumbers, and electricians earn more than the average college graduate, and you aren't going to be carrying a mountain of tuition debt. Cops do really well with women... at least my friends that are cops do.

Once again, you are wrong on so many levels. In order for what you have said to be true, you'd have to have gone to a state school with a good party scene. Even then, we have confirmed on this thread that most women in college are quite plain looking and not all that hot. Moving on more from that, meeting and actually being on the radar of attractive women in college is tough because you have to be in a fraternity or a sports team to be even be visible.

As an overarching point, I do think you need to rethink what you posted. You are literally telling young men not to go to college for women but then turning around saying "oh but you will never in your entire life be around as many hot girls and it will never be this easy ever again", not exactly convincing young men raged on hormones to go to college for all the right reasons either.

 

[Degenerate Haven]

@SW15

I think you are right on the money here man. A lot of these social circle game advice seem to work most for men who are naturally social or men who have been stagnant in one place their whole life. Such a guy is rarely going to find a forum like this or even find game because he is going to live that cookie-cutter type of life.

Unfortunately, media is geared towards that kind of guy because he is normal. For that kind of a guy, the ceiling will be college in and of itself. He will get the best luck there but chances are, he knows people already when going to college. For men like us and the men on this forum who practice self-improvement, cold approach, and learning game; I think the college years are actually a detriment if anything.

I remember in the school I went to, it was all social circle game. If you got bold, it could backfire in a colossal way.