Do you have incel friends? How to motivate them?

[illstep]

What difference does 'game' make?

Lets say you haven't read a game book, but you still approach girls, try to show confidence, but it takes you 1000 approaches to get laid (you only approach 7+'s)

If you 'learn game' and now have perfect game (whatever that means nowadays since everyone disagrees on everything related to 'game' but whatever. Call it RSD or mysterymethod or Vin Dicarlo or whatever) how much would that realistically effect your odds?

I know the mystery said you should basically never get rejected if you have perfect 'game', but obviously we're not all that gullable to fall for the PUA marketing, but could it get your approach to lay down to, say, only needing 900 approaches if you had 10/10 'game'?

 

[corrector]

Gaslighting much?

It is obviously you have been personally attacking me on this and other threads. You have an ignore function. The problem is with you if you want to pick fights. I'm not taking the bait here.

 

[apotheosis]

I wouldn't worry too much about what Mystery says, llol

Painful to watch. I don't think he has much game, tbh (despite being worshipped by many still in teh PUA world). He mainly just bores people and seems to lack a lot of social awareness throughout

 

[corrector]

I can get introverted and become invisible to women or I can be extroverted that day and get #s and even approached, night and day.

The most pushback on game you will get is from uncharismatic guys imo, they don't have a lot of upside there.

I guess going to the GYM and becoming a 4 to a 7 doesn't really mean anything if you can still become invisible to women.

 

[corrector]

You understand that your negativity just comes from your chronic depression right? like you literally just censored out the positive part of my post to focus on the negative, that's how bad it is. There is a dark cloud over everything you see.

I don't see it that way. What I see is, if I become more social or extrovert then I don't have to wait and improve my body since body improvement does matter as much as socializing. Otherwise, I'd come up with an excuse not to be social and WAIT until I have a better body from working out at the GYM. See, you gaslighted me here? Why didn't you just become more social in the first place rather than invest all that time at the GYM?

 

[corrector]

Black and White thinking. Your mind is really in a bad spot

Gaslight.

 

[corrector]

Face it, guys. incels are incels because of themselves. They are either ignorant about how to be masculine, or unwilling to change.

Back in the day we called them AFCs on this site. Same thing. "Incel" is just a fancy new buzzword.

Blaming women, online dating, and social media is a waste of breath. Most women I date have social media accounts and it doesn't prohibit me from attracting them. I'm sure they do online dating, too. So they have tons of options, so what? Attractive women have always had plenty of options.

I just think that when I see people here pointing this out, it's either whining or patting one's self on the back ("I'm Alpha"). The reality is that an incel could find success if he was willing to commit to some personal changes.

As for friends, I only help if asked.

Have you done 300 + approaches?

Do you have incel friends? How to motivate them?

My motivation has come from some reddit boards that talk about how it's easy to meet women in church on this link: and as well some tips for goals inside the Gym itself: https://legionathletics.com/cut-or-bulk/ Since I'm likely 30-40% body-fat (I don't have a beer gut belly but just...

www.sosuave.net

 

[cheyne]

Do you think everyone, in your looks category, should HAVE to do 300 approaches to get laid otherwise there is "something wrong with them"? Is that reasonable?

Didn't notice this teh 1st time.

Yes, I think it's normal.

I'm going for girls that are like 7.5's and over, and i'm around a 5.

Look at this from the goodlookingloser site. The maths checks out quite nicely.

https://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/index/the-numbers-game-what-are-my-odds



Intermediates will bang 1 girl that is +3 levels above them over 500 approaches

 

[corrector]

Didn't notice this teh 1st time.

Yes, I think it's normal.

I'm going for girls that are like 7.5's and over, and i'm around a 5.

Look at this from the goodlookingloser site. The maths checks out quite nicely.

https://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/index/the-numbers-game-what-are-my-odds



Intermediates will bang 1 girl that is +3 levels above them over 500 approaches

I have looked at the site and think it's interesting. Although I don't know where to find that many "untaken" women to approach, but I doubt it would be at the local grocery store.

I will look more intently at the site later, however, it feels like begging for love, sex and affection from random women a bit, doesn't it?

 

[corrector]

Didn't notice this teh 1st time.

Yes, I think it's normal.

I'm going for girls that are like 7.5's and over, and i'm around a 5.

Look at this from the goodlookingloser site. The maths checks out quite nicely.

https://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/index/the-numbers-game-what-are-my-odds



Intermediates will bang 1 girl that is +3 levels above them over 500 approaches

How do you rate yourself a 5? How can people rate themselves in general?

 

[zekko]

Look at this from the goodlookingloser site. The maths checks out quite nicely.

https://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/index/the-numbers-game-what-are-my-odds

This is the same problem I have with a lot of PUA sites. They're characterizing the guy who gets the most action as a "Legit Dirtbag", which means they are setting up the "Legit Dirtbag" as the highest form of manhood for a guy to aspire to. They're encouraging everyone to be a Legit Dirtbag, which I see as a negative, no matter how they may want to define it.

Similarly, Owen pushes the "Retarded Fvckboy" persona, just as other sites promote being a "jerk" or an "@sshole". Even if they don't suggest you actually be a jerk, they're still promoting it by setting him up as the ultimate role model. Aim it a little higher, guys, that's all I'm saying.

 

[nicksaiz65]

This is the same problem I have with a lot of PUA sites. They're characterizing the guy who gets the most action as a "Legit Dirtbag", which means they are setting up the "Legit Dirtbag" as the highest form of manhood for a guy to aspire to. They're encouraging everyone to be a Legit Dirtbag, which I see as a negative, no matter how they may want to define it.

Similarly, Owen pushes the "Retarded Fvckboy" persona, just as other sites promote being a "jerk" or an "@sshole". Even if they don't suggest you actually be a jerk, they're still promoting it by setting him up as the ultimate role model. Aim it a little higher, guys, that's all I'm saying.

I see what you're saying. I think his breakdowns are really nice though haha. He actually advocates against a lot of the bullsh*t that PUAs push

 

[corrector]

Relevance?

If you are not willing to do that, then you can't fault others who aren't.

 

[Epicwinguy]

How do you rate yourself a 5? How can people rate themselves in general?

I have been rated a 7 by a girl in her 20s and others told me they don't rate by numbers but a guy either is cute or not. I know its not a looks thing for me...which makes it even more frustrating.

 

[cheyne]

How do you rate yourself a 5? How can people rate themselves in general?

I'm no expert but from a mixture of various things and like life experiences etc, I think people can give themselves a fairly accurate assessment taking the averages

1/First of all I went to some hot or not type rating site initially when trying to decide on the best pics for tinder, and my average was like 5.5
2/Also taking the average of the girls who (very rarely) matched me on tinder. (my good looking friends got much hotter matches for example)
3/I consider myself a good judge of physical attraction. I have friends who I deem to be handsome and it seems to be confirmed every time I go out with them, what with the IOI's they get, and even getting approached. It confirms by assessment of their looks which in turn confirms my estimation of my looks score, which is further confirmed by online ratings! haha. I think with a little life experience, most people should tend to know their looks rating, although I have met people who are deluded in both directions before!

 

[corrector]

I'm no expert but from a mixture of various things and like life experiences etc, I think people can give themselves a fairly accurate assessment taking the averages

1/First of all I went to some hot or not type rating site initially when trying to decide on the best pics for tinder, and my average was like 5.5
2/Also taking the average of the girls who (very rarely) matched me on tinder. (my good looking friends got much hotter matches for example)
3/I consider myself a good judge of physical attraction. I have friends who I deem to be handsome and it seems to be confirmed every time I go out with them, what with the IOI's they get, and even getting approached. It confirms by assessment of their looks which in turn confirms my estimation of my looks score, which is further confirmed by online ratings! haha. I think with a little life experience, most people should tend to know their looks rating, although I have met people who are deluded in both directions before!

Do you ask for a phone number on EVERY approach or just the ones who are displaying an unusually higher level of interest? I've noticed on the website that you get more numbers from women in your own looks category or slightly lower but the net close rate is about the same at the end of the day.

The issue I still have is that you can't approach that many woman in a short space of time, especially not using day-game when people are hurrying all over the place and busy about their day. I mean are you really going to stop women, ask for directions, and then say I just had to say you are cute can I have your number and play a numbers game like that? According to the website, that's all you have to do (i.e. the website is just using raw numbers so any type of approach would count).

I can't peg my looks because I got rated a 7 on hotornot about over 12 years ago or something like that. I'd guess if I got a 7 12 years ago and I didn't get uglier that I'm probably a 7 today as an ethnic. If there is sexual racism (i.e. not stereotypically white) then I guess that would reduce my looks down for women who just dating white guys, etc... I'm not Black enough to trigger a BBC fetish from other types of women, so I guess in my case its more difficult to say, probably the same as yours at the end of the day.

What is the worst type of rejection you've got in your approaches? What is the weakest lame approach that you've counted as an approach?

 

[cheyne]

Do you ask for a phone number on EVERY approach or just the ones who are displaying an unusually higher level of interest?

I nearly exclusively approach at night in bars - don't always go for numbers and try to get same night lays, but yes, i'll only attempt to get a number (or more) with girls that I can tell are into me. (Which is always the ones who I could tell were into me within about 0.5 seconds)

What is the worst type of rejection you've got in your approaches?

LOL- You like to concentrate on the bad stuff, don't ya! haha
A few stick out.
One was a girl dancing VERY close to me despite there being lots of empty room on the dancefloor. I took this as an IOI and decided to 'assume attraction' as per RSD advice and kind of turned towards her and put my arm out to kind of take her wrist. She looked at me and pushed me HARD!! Like really hard lol. Was embarrassing as lots of people saw.

None are really that 'bad', though. Like, the common fear of getting drinks thrown at you etc never happens. Usually it's just girls basically ignoring you no matter what 'game' you use. They aren't interested. Waiting for you to stop talking and leave.

I had a very young, very hot girl basically tell me i'm too ugly for her after opening her the other night which always stings a bit, tbh! (and no, it wasnt' a 'sh1t test' lol. I cringe so much at the PUA idea that a girl is only testing you when she displays a lack of attraction lol)

What is the weakest lame approach that you've counted as an approach?

Probably offering a hand out RSDTyler style for her to take ('hand of God' type thing). Works when she thinks you're good looking, but usually they just shake their head, grab their friends hand, and move a few feet lol


I feel I need to balance this all out though as it just sounds all negative. I've banged a few girls that are way out of my league due to cold approach, so I personally have a soft spot for it

 

[corrector]

I nearly exclusively approach at night in bars - don't always go for numbers and try to get same night lays, but yes, i'll only attempt to get a number (or more) with girls that I can tell are into me. (Which is always the ones who I could tell were into me within about 0.5 seconds)

I can only do day-game or inside a church so it's not likely those types of numbers can be generated with me. You choose night-game because its easier to approach women on those settings?

 

[nicksaiz65]

I nearly exclusively approach at night in bars - don't always go for numbers and try to get same night lays, but yes, i'll only attempt to get a number (or more) with girls that I can tell are into me. (Which is always the ones who I could tell were into me within about 0.5 seconds)



LOL- You like to concentrate on the bad stuff, don't ya! haha
A few stick out.
One was a girl dancing VERY close to me despite there being lots of empty room on the dancefloor. I took this as an IOI and decided to 'assume attraction' as per RSD advice and kind of turned towards her and put my arm out to kind of take her wrist. She looked at me and pushed me HARD!! Like really hard lol. Was embarrassing as lots of people saw.

None are really that 'bad', though. Like, the common fear of getting drinks thrown at you etc never happens. Usually it's just girls basically ignoring you no matter what 'game' you use. They aren't interested. Waiting for you to stop talking and leave.

I had a very young, very hot girl basically tell me i'm too ugly for her after opening her the other night which always stings a bit, tbh! (and no, it wasnt' a 'sh1t test' lol. I cringe so much at the PUA idea that a girl is only testing you when she displays a lack of attraction lol)




Probably offering a hand out RSDTyler style for her to take ('hand of God' type thing). Works when she thinks you're good looking, but usually they just shake their head, grab their friends hand, and move a few feet lol


I feel I need to balance this all out though as it just sounds all negative. I've banged a few girls that are way out of my league due to cold approach, so I personally have a soft spot for it

Sometimes it's hard to tell if it's truly a sh*t test or she's just truly not interested. I've had to deal with stuff like that too

 

[cheyne]

Sometimes it's hard to tell if it's truly a sh*t test or she's just truly not interested. I've had to deal with stuff like that too

Of the thousands of approaches i've made, and the hundreds and hundreds of infields i've watched, I don't think i've ever seen someone bang a hard 'no girl' (such as one who is like ''I'm not interested. Can you go away. Bye'' kind of thing)
I think it's usually obvious when it's a 'test' and when she's legitimately not interested in letting you try to game her