Do you grow more jaded with women as you progress in the game?

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As I find myself getting into more relationships and getting to know different women more and more, I'm finding myself becoming more and more cynical about women. I've been lied to by women I thought would never lie to me, women who I thought were "good girls" have told me their past sex lives and I've been left speechless, beautiful girls who I would have obsessed about in my early years of high school at how perfect and classy they were I've ended up fvcking in a one night stand with hardly any real effort, I've started to realize how women are almost completely at the mercy of men (I say men as in REAL men), I've started to realize how far being an ******* can get me with women, and I've seen how a quality girl (or so I thought) that I've been in a relationship with can give up her most precious gift her body can give to a random guy just weeks prior to me meeting her.

I used to fawn over girls in high school, I used to day dream about them all the time - romantic fantasies where I'd end up saving the day and winning her heart, or I'd defend her against the ******* jock trying to just fvck her. But in reality, she would willingly fvck the ******* and let him use her because she's convinced herself that she can change him. The girl you might spend so many hours fantasizing about when you were young was on her knees getting facefvked by some douchebag while you were stuck envisioning her as this perfect princess.

It is so, so unnerving that you can watch a decent girl fall victim to a complete amateur who has just rehearsed the played out "step-by-step guide on how to get laid" on this forum and let his pathetic **** fvck her (eye-opening experience, really: I know a guy at my school who browses this website, completely unconfident, tries to fit in, has a transparent moral code... he got a few beers in him to give him courage and ran his game on a HB7 or so, a cute girl that I knew... completely worked) Granted, I didn't have any feelings for her, but if something THAT fake got into her pants, then what's the point of pursuing something meaningful? It just made me think - where's the chemistry, where's the romance? If all you need is just a series of notecards to be intimate with this normal girl, then what does it say about most girls?

I don't know, maybe I'm old fashioned, but I cannot seem to take a girl serious who has had multiple one night stands or who gives it away so easily. Sure, I'll be friends with them, sure I'll fvck them, but I can't ever really respect them. Chaulk it up to me being pretentious, me being young and stupid, or whatever, I don't know what it is, but I can't seem to respect someone who gives their body up so easily.

The way I figure it, 90% of today's women will not be able to live up to your expectations and that of the 10% that do, only 10% of those girls actually deserve to be treated with the respect and care that a gentlemen gives them. That said, it's hard to really envision women as equals to men - which is undoing almost all of what I've been taught growing up.

But, I do know that when I do find that rare girl that deserves to be treated how my mother taught me how to treat a girl, it's going to make it all the more special and worthwhile. And you can bet your ass I'm going to hang onto her.

However, I've discovered that almost all of them will inevitably lie to you, try to manipulate you down the road, not tell you everything about their sexual past, or that have put up with the fact that there have been guys who have treated them like dirt that they have come crawling back to. And I've started to become more cynical with women, I've started caring less, I've started giving them more **** - not because its a neg, but because it amuses me, I've started adopting the mindset "I'm happy with you, but I can leave at any time" when getting into relationships unless they can prove to me otherwise.... And you know the weird part? Since I've started doing this... it's actually improved my results. Is this a natural progression of the game once you get more into it, to not see women as the "good girls" anymore?

I wonder, is this what the *******s start to feel like?
 

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Some guys are going to disagree with you, maybe throw out some words like insecure and women hater to describe you.

But you and I see eye to eye when it comes to this aspect of women. I struggle to respect 9 out of 10 women because 9 out of 10 women get drunk and have sex with the nearest d1ck they see. I just refuse to take that as acceptable behavior.

And like you said, it doesnt stop me from having sex or being friends with them, just lacking respect for them...

+1
 

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Knyteguy said:
So stay away from the drinkers if you want a long term relationship. If you just want to get in their panties though then it shouldn't matter anyway.
Agreed.
 

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I have to agree that its not so much what they say and do, its how it effects you. And what i've noticed is that the less you care, and the more you play the game and talk to several girls, the less you care about them lying and what not. For me, I have been talking to several girls, and to me, if i dont hear from one for a couple days im totally ok with it since i have someone else talking to me anyway. Its a huge cycle, girl 1 talks to you, then girl 2, then girl 3, then nothing from girl 1 for a couple days, then girl 1 hits you up to see when youll hang out again, etc. I know that having a solid interest keeps you grounded, my passion is motocross, and that is my main focus, girls just fill the void when im not riding. So, the less pu$$y on a pedestal the better, because, you cant trust anyone, but yourself.
 

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Knyteguy said:
Meh women want sex just like men, and many will go to lengths to get it. The sooner you understand and accept this, the better.

Being an ******* will in fact get you laid a bit more than being some chumpy ass rose giving dork as seen in the movies (though it's ok to do this crap every once in awhile in an LTR), however it will indeed get you laid less than being a great guy WHOM still commands respect. Think of Russell Crowe's character in Gladiator. Try to be like him. I think you'll find your relationships have much more value than now.

You're also fairly young, so girls are still GIRLS. Hell they're still girls 5 years later. It is when they start to become women that their value has gone above the threshold of simply having a pu ssy.

Yeah, I think you're right on the money with that last bit. And I kept telling myself and having the mindset that "I am not going to be an *******, I am going to be a gentlemen - the perfect mixture of ******* and nice guy, a man who treats his women right but isn't afraid to take her hand and lead her", but as I go through the motions, I find myself just growing cynical and just playing the ******* bit because I'll be damned if I've come across hardly any women that are worth it. I think a lot of it does have to do with age and maturity though, both for them and for me. I'd be hard pressed to find a girl I'm looking for at 20, and maybe I'll be more open and I'll probably have a different mindset when I'm nearing my 30s and looking to settle.


Sir Psycho Sexy said:
Some guys are going to disagree with you, maybe throw out some words like insecure and women hater to describe you.

But you and I see eye to eye when it comes to this aspect of women. I struggle to respect 9 out of 10 women because 9 out of 10 women get drunk and have sex with the nearest d1ck they see. I just refuse to take that as acceptable behavior.

And like you said, it doesnt stop me from having sex or being friends with them, just lacking respect for them...

+1

Exactly, I don't hate women at all. I love them, but at the same time I just can't take the majority of them seriously. Sure, I like them because they're fun, they get me into good parties, they give me social status, and they have vaginas and I like being inside those, but when it comes time to devote my time and effort to a relationship with a girl I just can't respect the vast majority of them. Good to know I'm not the only one with this kind of mindset.
 

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Brighty said:
As I find myself getting into more relationships and getting to know different women more and more, I'm finding myself becoming more and more cynical about women. I've been lied to by women I thought would never lie to me, women who I thought were "good girls" have told me their past sex lives and I've been left speechless, beautiful girls who I would have obsessed about in my early years of high school at how perfect and classy they were I've ended up fvcking in a one night stand with hardly any real effort, I've started to realize how women are almost completely at the mercy of men (I say men as in REAL men), I've started to realize how far being an ******* can get me with women, and I've seen how a quality girl (or so I thought) that I've been in a relationship with can give up her most precious gift her body can give to a random guy just weeks prior to me meeting her.

I used to fawn over girls in high school, I used to day dream about them all the time - romantic fantasies where I'd end up saving the day and winning her heart, or I'd defend her against the ******* jock trying to just fvck her. But in reality, she would willingly fvck the ******* and let him use her because she's convinced herself that she can change him. The girl you might spend so many hours fantasizing about when you were young was on her knees getting facefvked by some douchebag while you were stuck envisioning her as this perfect princess.

It is so, so unnerving that you can watch a decent girl fall victim to a complete amateur who has just rehearsed the played out "step-by-step guide on how to get laid" on this forum and let his pathetic **** fvck her (eye-opening experience, really: I know a guy at my school who browses this website, completely unconfident, tries to fit in, has a transparent moral code... he got a few beers in him to give him courage and ran his game on a HB7 or so, a cute girl that I knew... completely worked) Granted, I didn't have any feelings for her, but if something THAT fake got into her pants, then what's the point of pursuing something meaningful? It just made me think - where's the chemistry, where's the romance? If all you need is just a series of notecards to be intimate with this normal girl, then what does it say about most girls?

I don't know, maybe I'm old fashioned, but I cannot seem to take a girl serious who has had multiple one night stands or who gives it away so easily. Sure, I'll be friends with them, sure I'll fvck them, but I can't ever really respect them. Chaulk it up to me being pretentious, me being young and stupid, or whatever, I don't know what it is, but I can't seem to respect someone who gives their body up so easily.

The way I figure it, 90% of today's women will not be able to live up to your expectations and that of the 10% that do, only 10% of those girls actually deserve to be treated with the respect and care that a gentlemen gives them. That said, it's hard to really envision women as equals to men - which is undoing almost all of what I've been taught growing up.

But, I do know that when I do find that rare girl that deserves to be treated how my mother taught me how to treat a girl, it's going to make it all the more special and worthwhile. And you can bet your ass I'm going to hang onto her.

However, I've discovered that almost all of them will inevitably lie to you, try to manipulate you down the road, not tell you everything about their sexual past, or that have put up with the fact that there have been guys who have treated them like dirt that they have come crawling back to. And I've started to become more cynical with women, I've started caring less, I've started giving them more **** - not because its a neg, but because it amuses me, I've started adopting the mindset "I'm happy with you, but I can leave at any time" when getting into relationships unless they can prove to me otherwise.... And you know the weird part? Since I've started doing this... it's actually improved my results. Is this a natural progression of the game once you get more into it, to not see women as the "good girls" anymore?

I wonder, is this what the *******s start to feel like?

Your dillema is not that the world is wrong (though it really is f-d up sometimes). Your problem is that you believed the world was a certain way, and it isn't. I think nearly every person that comes to a site like this comes away with a big dose of reality. We swap stories about how girls and friends have wronged us, and eventually come to the same conclusion that you have: we're not in kansas anymore.

I can relate to what you're saying. It sucks being reminded of how much the world can suck. And it aggravates me when guys talk all big and macho about it, like "that's how the world works, suck it up". Like they're any better than us just because our upbringing was different. ****, they're just more selfish and greedy than the rest of us and their childhood was probably just rougher than most.

Anti dump gave the best advice that I can tell you at this point: guard your heart.

And remember that you aren't perfect either. I realize i do some stupid **** too. Its the ones that care about you more than you care about them. No matter what, you will say something that will hurt their feelings. You will say something that will remind them of just how little interest you have in them.

The best you can do is be the best you can be. Be the change you want to see, but don't expect people to treat you the same. This is different from getting walked on, but is too hard to explain here. Realize that people react instinctually and you do it too, without even realizing. And don't put yourself above anyone else, we're all human, we all make poor decisions that we're gonna regret someday.

Your post resonates with me because I have been screwed over while I felt like I did everything the right way. Going through a divorce, getting worked by my former boss, dealing with slutty girls, dealing with guys that are in it for themselves. This is something I've just come to understand and do my best to move forward. Forgive, but don't forget.
 

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I know exactly how you feel....

But whats the lesser of the two evils?

Being an AFC and captain save a ho to get lied to cheated totally fvcked over?



Or

being an ******* and not necessarily you but you get pvssy and don't get played like a fool?
 

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you took the red pill neo.

You'll get over it. Now you are free. Once you really understand the true nature of women, you can love them and not fall prey to them. You know exactly what your dealing with. Sorta like how a lion tamer loves his lions, but he knows they can kill him. You don't let having fun or having real feelings for someone blind you to human nature. I love my brother, but there is no way I would ever go in business with him...I know him. You understand? So you'll be a little depressed about it, then you might be a little angry, but then you'll met a great girl and just have fun with her...while in the back of your mind you know all the things that can happen, you also know that you can deal with them (btw, that's called confidence). So give it some time.
 

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^^^So the true nature of women is they are complete *****s and unworthy of any worthwhile ltr? Am I just blind to the natures of my female friends and the dynamic of the LTRs of my friends? Are my friends being duped right now?

How can a girl be great if it all an illusion? Being capable and just being a ticking time bomb is two different things...
 

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It's not just women, it's men too. Humanity as a whole is flawed as a species. You cannot put all this blame on women for being promiscuous and having errors in judgment and what not. It's just how people are, with their desires and ego trips.
 

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Sir Psycho Sexy said:
But you and I see eye to eye when it comes to this aspect of women. I struggle to respect 9 out of 10 women because 9 out of 10 women get drunk and have sex with the nearest d1ck they see. I just refuse to take that as acceptable behavior.
But I bet you find it acceptable for a guy to act that way right?

Women want sex just as much as men, I've no problems or issues with that. I love women and respect them just as much as men.
 

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Tesl said:
But I bet you find it acceptable for a guy to act that way right?

Women want sex just as much as men, I've no problems or issues with that. I love women and respect them just as much as men.
Well I understand the point your trying to make here but im not looking to have intimate relationships with men...

so the criteria I look for in a man when building a friendship is slightly different.

I love women and respect them just as much as men, too... the only difference is that I dont automatically give it out, it must be earned. A women with little self respect or a dishonest man isnt going to be worth much in my eyes.

Thats MY OPINION. To each his own.
 

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Sir Psycho Sexy said:
Well I understand the point your trying to make here but im not looking to have intimate relationships with men...

so the criteria I look for in a man when building a friendship is slightly different.

I love women and respect them just as much as men... it must be earned.
It must be earned with either sex, not only women. For me anyway.

There is nothing wrong with looking for a particular type of girl, different personality types exist within both men and women. Losing respect for an entire gender just because you can't find what you want is ridiculous. Especially when men are exactly the same as they are. I suppose what I'm trying to say is - you should be losing respect for all people, not only women.

Otherwise you are just letting personal experiences with women totally change your way of mindset such that it no longer reflects the real world.
 

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Dude.This is one of the best and truest threads that I have ever seen.I am on my phone browser and cannot rep you right now but I will when I get to my laptop.
I too have found the same thing. I am learning fast. A woman I thought was awesome..I romanticised about ..I thought we would be a couple until..one day I went to our meeting place once at a park only to watch a car roll up and she was with another guy. I saw them kissing and he probably banged her and I was heartbroken. The way I see it our most common mistake is placing our good values on them when they havent proven themselves and then try to be romantic with them. We are wrong.The only romance they understand is a tongue in their backside and a finger playing with them. This is their romance.
Why do you think so many women cheat? Because you can be the most romantic man but if you dont jump on top of her you lose. I can soo relate to your post. I have recently undergone an attitude adjustment where I am going to stop being a romantic and more smooth and going for the kill.
Yes I too have lost my traditional view of women. They are all open to sex much too easily..
 

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I think girls are cute.

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