Do you consider yourself more conservative or more liberal?

[Zarky]

Just taking a poll. Please be honest.

Mods, this IS related to seduction and is part of a research project of mine on the seduction community and the manosphere, so I believe it fits in this forum.

 

[SeymourCake]

I like to liberate my mind from being an AFC, and conserve these women.

 

[MisterD]

Left wing liberal hippie

 

[Serg897]

Evil atheist liberal socialist

 

[Solomon]

Zarky just wanted to say I loved your latest blog post, however there a couple things I wanna clairfy

First the men's right movement should be labeled as The White mans right movement. The truth is there some closet racists on the manosphere and one of the big bloggers is one of them (No I'm not talking about Roosh, Roosh is cool as fucc, he actually is one of the few that cares about the "Black plight") the truth is the reason why it has gained so much traction in the manosphere is that a lot of losers read blogs. All a blogger has to do now to successed is this formula

Say that your "ALpha" enough with no proof+anti-feminsim rants or how american women suck+write with mastery aka KJing aka Menstal Masturbation= Blog Star
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THe MGTOW doesn't speak for colored men, cause honestly they don't give a shyt yet feminsim has fucced the colored man (espeically black men) in the ass worse then any other race, but alas you gotta cater to the masses and the truth is. A lot of blogg readers live viacriosuly through their idols who blog, yet they all claim to be conservatie making six-figures, being alpha and banging HB8's.

On another note the thing I find comical is the whole anti-fat movment is not doing anything, it's beyond that now. Whether black or white.

Just thought I'd comment here since you ain't got a comment section in your blog

 

[PlayerUntilDeath]

Great post on your MatingMarket blog Zarky !! I agree with your post 100%.

For the poll here, I'm not into p*litics, but considering the poll as it involves the topics talked about on SoSuave. I started out as a kid with being naturally attracted to girls and I even got 2 girls to take their clothes off and it felt like a normal thing to do (although nothing happened though) so from early on that would be liberal. Then, after years of being brought up in a religion I was told the conservative world view (marriage) was what we "had" to do, but I finally left this religion because as a masculine man I decided that I did not want to ever get married and I did not believe in their repressive s*xual views. Therefore, now and as I would say I have always naturally been, I am s*xually liberal. I am in favor of s*xual freedom. My guess is that marriage is the issue that makes most guys conservative (because they can't stand the thought that other guys may have had "relations" with their wife before they did, therefore repressing the s*xuality of everyone else through religions/conservatism is their beta attempt to maintain the fantasy of their own purity as guys, plus back in the day marriage was the way most of these beta guys got some).

 

[Voice]

I'm definitely libertarian leaning but I hate extremes. Hard core conservatives baffle me in that I can't believe people can be that close minded. Super left-wing liberals are the most annoying people in the world. Neither side is realist. Both sides seem to want to impose their views on everyone else which isn't what freedom is about.

 

[Wilko]

Going to throw my libertarian hat in the pile too. Full disclosure - I'm shrinking the State apparatus from the inside, I like to think of it as anti-Fabianism

I will say though, I underwent a shift recently, where unless something directly impinges upon my day to day life, I avoid expending any energy thinking or ranting about it.

 

[Honda1990]

I consider myself Libertarian, but between the two choices, I will go with Conservative.

 

[ken chang]

There are more conservatives in this forum? (At least as of 8/17) Now, that's quite surprising for me. I'm more liberal. Big fan of freedom of expression and thought.

 

[MetalFortress]

Mostly liberal, with a lean more toward the center on fiscal issues. I'm not strictly one-party or the other, I vote based on the specific candidate's past voting record, to be an actual leader, and willingness to actually work to advance the country, rather than simply trying to stalemate with the other guy.

 

[5string]

Conservative bigtime! Contact me in my bomb shelter. I'll be in there cleaning my assault rifles.

 

[Fly By Night]

I'm more of the guy who believes in balance of politics, not extreme left or right.

 

[Zarky]

Thanks. I'm genuinely perplexed about the "manosphere" blogs and I'm trying to figure out what they are and who are behind them. I'm not sure if they're simply a right-wing thing, an "angry organized beta" movement, or what really.

I just don't remember all the anti-female propaganda out there when I started with Speed Seduction and ASF back in 1996. So many of the "seduction" blogs out there spend more time railing against women and society in general than they do about teaching men how to bang chicks.

It strikes me as strange, and I don't understand it, so I'm trying to get some insight.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Most of the people who have the tools and the intelligence to think outside the box rarely can cathegorize their mind on fixed position, no surprise there are many libertarians here who dont not recognize themselves in the "blue vs red race".

Im myself a libertarian so I can easily see the discomfort of the other users to reply to this poll.

Zarky you would have been luckier to run such poll on a mainstream site, mainstream sheeps know with no doubts (doubts are a sign of intelligence and open mind) where they are morally obliged to stay.

 

[Zarky]

Well I don't see the "victimhood" of men, and therefore I don't see anything that needs to be "fixed." I see a lot of MRA guys crying about being victims. But as a member of the legal profession, I don't see it play out in court nearly as much as MRA people would have others believe. When I look around, I just don't see those problems. And I'm pretty much right in the midst of it. Yes, some men get screwed, but to think there is some systematic victimization of men (especially white men) in western society just... well.. I don't see it.

So I'm trying to get a feel for who these guys are. If they belong to any other major groups, such as right-wing groups or conspiracy-theory groups. Or even left-wing groups for that matter.

I don't see men's rights as part of seduction. I see it as a weird cancer that's somehow attached itself to seduction. And I'm trying to find out how it got there.

 

[zekko]

I don't see men's rights as part of seduction. I see it as a weird cancer that's somehow attached itself to seduction. And I'm trying to find out how it got there.

I think it comes in through the "red pill/Matrix" concept:

I'm not bound by cultural rules, I see through all the boundaries and expectations society wants to place one me, I see through all the feminist ideas the media wants to brainwash me with, I see through all the shaming tactics aimed at reducing men's masculinty, I see how society is built around pushing the feminist agenda, I see how the legal system is set up to favor the female at the expense of men.

That's the progression of thought, I'm guessing.

 

[( . )( . )]

I'm genuinely perplexed....
It strikes me as strange, and I don't understand it, so I'm trying to get some insight.

It's not rocket science you douchebag, try to keep up:

20 something socially unaware gameless chode (usually liberal> raised by a single mother) takes some time off strangling his organ and crying himself to sleep to type into google " how do I get laid..derp"

20 something neckbeard finds "game", takes the red pill and learns some semblance of social awareness needed to bang his first vapid bar slut.

Fast forward a few years and our man has been with enough women and enough social interactions that he's honed his social awareness . He's not only matched the first vapid bar skank he banged all those years ago (the epitome of modern woman) he's surpassed her.

Our socially aware man now notices the current gender imbalances because he quite literally can where as the next crop of neckbearded liberal losers can't. Imbalances such us :

* Men constantly portrayed as incompetent,goofy douchebags by mainstream media, can't do anything right without the firm mature hand of a woman.

* No reproductive rights. A woman can do whatever she wishes with a child, it's her body her choice, not so when it comes to men, he is to "man up" and pay regardless or feel the wrath of the state and society or else be shamed "deadbeat dad".

* Next to no parental rights.

* Gender biased legal system.

* Male suicide 4 times more likely than female and rising every year.

* The "disposable male" phenomenon (women and children first) that is still indoctrinated into young boys but without any rewards of the past.

* Highest non interest education dropout rate for boys ever seen, courtesy of a fem-centric education system (a for women by women learning curriculum in other words)

* An over abundance of emasculated and clueless enablers with quite literally half the testosterone levels of their forefathers.

* Men's achievements and sacrifices throughout history continually downplayed, especially the sacrifice of literally millions of men's lives during wars of the past and present.


Our man who now dares to politically incorrectly mention the above now gets chastised for being an "evil MRA" by a 37 year old woman who uses the terms "hate speech" and "anti-female-manosphere" way to often to pass as a man.

See how it works? the circle of life and all that.

 

[CostaDeSol]

progressive here

 

[Wilko]

Some random thoughts on the manosphere, feminism, and libertarianism.

The manosphere is pushing back against the matrix, I get that, but what is it pushing towards? What is the proposed end game? What does that look like? One gets the feeling it's a regressive 1950's version of Americana - but I think that is most likely a caricature and a strawman.

But, if that is the case, I don't think we can go back there (and I personally wouldn't want to), the genie is out of the bottle for good. If there is an institutionalised, state-supported bias against men, then I don't think the solution is to turn men into another special interest group begging for intervention and protection by the State.

Rather, I think the universal libertarian solution of strengthened private property rights for everyone would go a long way to undoing whatever unfairness exists in the system at present. If you remove the state's power to confiscate your property on behalf of "feminist special interests" a lot of problems just go away.