Do women have to be initially attracted and "choose" you before you can run any game?

[devilkingx2]

Most men can eventually draw a hundred times more interest from women after 6 months of a rigid health and fitness lifestyle and a $19.95/month gym membership then they ever will from randomly aimless, canned cold approaches they learned from some YouTube PUA.

I think the idea is that if someone comes to you asking for how to get laid, they want to get laid within the next month, not a year from now.

and if a PUA teaches you to do 100 cold approaches a weekend, there's a good chance of you getting laid within the next month if you don't get demoralized or chicken out, and you'll gain all sorts of useful skills too! (working out doesn't teach you how to talk to girls)

on the other hand, as a mid and long term goal, getting into better shape is the best possible advice, but it won't help you today or soon.

similarly to how getting rich would solve any and all of your problems in life, but "get rich" is ****ing awful advice. "get good looking" is the get rich of dating

 

[Mike32ct]

But based on the consensus of posts since your one, it seems clear that maybe you are doing nothing 'wrong' at all and the girls simply aren't into you and you don't meet their 'threshold' of 'handsome' and so it might take you like 500 approaches before you meet a girl who thinks you are decent looking

So i don't think we can say that you are doing something wrong or 'don't know wtf you're doing' if it takes you thousands of approaches to get laid, because as we've determined, there is a barrier to entry that is largely out of ones control.

We can't create attraction - only build upon it.

I don't have concrete stats, but I think it takes me roughly 150 approaches to get laid, personally. And I think I do everything 'right'. And i've tried more than one method (mystery, RSD game, etc etc)

If you average one out of 150 or about 0.667% success rate per approach, you would need to do at LEAST 104 approaches just to slightly tip the odds in your favor (or have a slightly over 50 percent chance of scoring at least once).

But I’m glad you brought this up. The numbers required are quite high for some guys. But if a guy accepts that (and doesn’t over-sarge a venue too much lol), it’s not the end of the world.

 

[greatsnake]

The woman ultimately chooses who she has sex with, with/without the man trying

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The woman ultimately chooses who she has sex with, with/without the man trying

They've already talked about him with her girls and decided what she'd do.

 

[IKO69]

100+ rejections before you get a single yes? How do you guys manage that? Do you just approach every woman you practically see? God bless you guys I can respect the hustle but that isn't the way to go in my opinion. I approach maybe a total of 3 or 4 times a month (on weekends) and I am successful because I pick he one's that are already feeling me and I happen to like.

I did random approach thing and getting turned down all the time got tired pretty quickly.

 

[Magotrox]

Everything depends on the girls keys. They are different. Of course, if a girl's key is focused on looks, an ugly guy will get nothing, but waste his time. But some girls can have ZERO initial attraction in a guy and change it after knowing him better. In the end, that's all too much analysis. You can be rejected by a 5, 7 HB, but hit a 8, 9 HB. Same day, same night, same place. So, what you must do is fight the fear of rejection and approach every woman you really like, play your best game, and work everyday to have the higher masculine value you can. Strange things happen in this world of attraction. Don't believe me. See it for yourself.

 

[Magotrox]

100+ rejections before you get a single yes? How do you guys manage that? Do you just approach every woman you practically see? God bless you guys I can respect the hustle but that isn't the way to go in my opinion. I approach maybe a total of 3 or 4 times a month (on weekends) and I am successful because I pick he one's that are already feeling me and I happen to like.

I did random approach thing and getting turned down all the time got tired pretty quickly.

Smile. Be used to say "Hi". Master the openers, find an excuse to start a conversation. Aim for the number or facebook name. Then work the online game. Date, escalate kino, kiss. When you become used to this dynamics, you'll have a large number of girls contacts. Spin the plates. As you become more comfortable, you'll be able to rise the level, aiming for higher SMV girls. Game on.

 

[characternote]

100+ rejections before you get a single yes? How do you guys manage that? Do you just approach every woman you practically see? God bless you guys I can respect the hustle but that isn't the way to go in my opinion. I approach maybe a total of 3 or 4 times a month (on weekends) and I am successful because I pick he one's that are already feeling me and I happen to like.

I did random approach thing and getting turned down all the time got tired pretty quickly.

Yeah, it can be rough lol
But what you are saying is basically the point some of the others have tried to make.
Obviously it's easy to get laid with 'the ones that are already feeling you' but that relies on her being attracted to your face. Something you can't really change.
And if I waited for a girl to throw me massive approach invitations, i'd possibly only ever approach maybe once every 6 years! haha
So I tend too approach every hot girl I see (assuming my AA isn't too bad on that particular night)
It can be extremely demoralising and make you feel like Quazimodo (I DO work out by the way, but i'm short and have an ugly face) but sometimes....SOMETIMES, the stars align and something amazing happens. I even managed to bang a 9 last year. Must have been some girl with extremely odd taste in what 'handsome' is!! haha

 

[Mike32ct]

They've already talked about him with her girls and decided what she'd do.

No doubt.

But I think of it more like she knows she WOULD F you if she had the opportunity. But she won’t necessarily pursue you or make it known or even create that opportunity. If she does, great.

But if she doesn’t, you might not even know you have this potential plate waiting for you.

 

[apotheosis]

But she won’t necessarily pursue you or make it known or even create that opportunity

True.

About once per month I go out with one of my friends who is handsome as hell, and he has girls THROWING themselves at him. It's crazy. He doesn't have 'game', but he doesn't need too. All he has to do is NOT be complete oddball when they speak too him and he's guaranteed to get laid. They will literally walk him through it if they have too (in terms of being the first one to sexualis the convo, first to start kino, first to mention an 'after party' etc)

It was when I started going out with him that I realised the 'looks don't matter' and ' looks on their own can't get you laid' stuff wasn't true!

However, as you say, lots of the time, girls still won't make the first move.

I've lost count of the number of times some gorgeous girl KEEPS looking at him, moving near him, clearly talking to her friends about him etc, but since he never opens girls and she doesn't open him either, nothig ever comes out of her huge attraction.

 

[characternote]

I'm talking more about the things that actually make people ugly such as a gigantic nose, sticking out ears, overly long strange looking face, no chin etc etc. The dudes in your pic clearly just needed to lose weight.
Although, even in their 'afters' neither of them is going to get loads of hot girls per night shooting them mad IOI's tbh

 

[BigM]

We also choose so it's not one way where only "women choose".

I also think that there are different situations. Sometime she will get attracted and you will fail but other times she will think who is this loser just so you change her mind in couple of minutes.

 

[IKO69]

Smile. Be used to say "Hi". Master the openers, find an excuse to start a conversation. Aim for the number or facebook name. Then work the online game. Date, escalate kino, kiss. When you become used to this dynamics, you'll have a large number of girls contacts. Spin the plates. As you become more comfortable, you'll be able to rise the level, aiming for higher SMV girls. Game on.

I do okay man haha. If I spend a decent amount of time on a particular woman I usually win her over; i'm pretty decent looking but it's my behavior, it's a cross between bad boy and juvenile..they like it when you are funny and say outrageous things.

What you said is not a bad thing and it's to a guys advantage to lighten up and not take things so seriously I just don't see a point in massive amount of cold approaches. I have single friends that do, they'll chase anything with a skirt literally. They can say they talk to chicks I guess but if you aren't closing the deal I don't see the point.

Yeah, it can be rough lol
But what you are saying is basically the point some of the others have tried to make.
Obviously it's easy to get laid with 'the ones that are already feeling you' but that relies on her being attracted to your face. Something you can't really change.
And if I waited for a girl to throw me massive approach invitations, i'd possibly only ever approach maybe once every 6 years! haha
So I tend too approach every hot girl I see (assuming my AA isn't too bad on that particular night)
It can be extremely demoralising and make you feel like Quazimodo (I DO work out by the way, but i'm short and have an ugly face) but sometimes....SOMETIMES, the stars align and something amazing happens. I even managed to bang a 9 last year. Must have been some girl with extremely odd taste in what 'handsome' is!! haha

I guess I am lucky then because I know I am pretty decent looking, not the best looking i'd say, but i'm alright. Even during my awkward and shy teenage years quite a bit of girls would either personally ask me out or send their friends. I did not have to do anything, whilst some of my peers were constantly going from girl to girl to try to make something happen.

You can say it comes down to having a good face, but I would say isn't the reason random cold approaches work due to that very fact? I can actually approach a random woman blindly no problem and if I do so, most of the time I will get turned down, no matter how good my rap is. That's what has usually happened. However, if I pick the right target and use the same Schick, it works/has worked. This suggests it wasn't so much the words I used but the fact I had already been pre-selected.

 

[Magotrox]

You know what?

Looking back in hindsight, I would have just dedicated a solid 6 months of 100% effort to the gym first, if I had to choose, because the transformation I had experienced in less than a year and the accompanied benefits that came with it regarding women far superseded the benefits I gained in the much longer process of overcoming social awkwardness and anxieties to becoming more sociable.

I am not saying improving social skills doesn't or wont help a man; they most certainly will, but I can guarantee that not only will a physical transformation pay far more dividends in the same or less amount of time, but it will also make the transformation of overcoming social awkwardness MUCH EASIER. Women will become MORE FORGIVING for lacking social acuities.

You're right! But masculinity has various spheres. Phisycal is just one of them. The same way you say that working out is going to give more results, I say that a guy that works on physical sphere, but, also, in behavior sphere, will get better results than the first one. The guys on left side of the screen photos up there need to work on their masculine appearance. What a guy must do is be as masculine has he can, working to take advantage of his high level characteristics, and working harder to have more value on his lower value characteristics. Woman choose a man based on his masculine value. Besides, some masculine characteristics will give a guy success in life. This is why a man must aim his guns to himself. Be the best version of you. Results will come.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Real men take what they want.

Real society is women setting traps and fvcking men over.

 

[Magotrox]

Real men take what they want.

Yes. For that, he prepares himself to get it all. When opportunity comes, he is ready to get it.

 

[Magotrox]

Liv in your own reality and this rules of society and women won’t hurt you as YOU set the Rules of your life

Right. Instead of trying to control the world and the others, he focus in controlling himself and make his choices by his own.

 

[3agle 3yes]

Some guys just don't get it.

I think a large part of the problem is using the words "attraction" and "interest" interchangeably.

Interest or lack of interest is superficial and it's fleeting. Personally, I don't pay attention to whether a woman is interested or not.

Attraction however, is a powerful force and is lasts long, this is what I pay attention to.

Being physically attractive will get women interested in you, but like I said, interest is superficial and fleeting. When I was younger, I was quite shy and didn't know how to behave around girls. I would say I'm slightly above average looking so sometimes I would attract attention from girls. They would say random things to me and make sure I could see them. Most of the time I would do nothing, but on the occasions I did do something I would say or do something that would put them off or they would see that I wasn't confident and they lost interest.

But today, I wouldn't say I use "game" or tricks but my mindset is completely different to what it used to be.

When I used to approach women, my goal was to get their number and eventually fvck them. Now when I cold approach I don't care about getting her details or sex, I only think about creating attraction.

From what I see and hear, when most guys approach they want something from the women they approach, they're outcome dependent.

Most guys have the mindset that if they are attracted to a woman, she doesn't have to prove or do anything and that they must have her.

If she "chooses" them, then they are worthy and their value is dependent on how hot their girl is or how many girls they've banged.

When I approach, I'm testing her, I want to see if she can hold a conversation and if there is a playful vibe between the two of us. If there isn't or if she is stuck up (and is not shy or nervous), then I walk away, I don't care how hot she is...she hasn't "rejected" me.

I don't try to bang every attractive woman either, sometimes just keeping them around has its benefits.

Physical attractiveness is just one factor that we should think about when it comes to women, we should all be more choosy.