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Master Don Juan
the only people that have any power over you are the people you allow to have power/control over you.
And men don't??? If this is true I'd hate to see some of the women guys are bedding because they have no choice! :nervous:skeeloo said:women have the power to decide, who they lay and who they date. .
Lickaclit said:Becoming a pseudo-chauvinist does not beat women in the struggle for power. Although the forums do propose a few methods that render a person a "better chaser"; I wouldn't even begin to overestimate its value beyond that point.
One thing we all must be honest about, before pretending to be Don Juans; is that, until women begin approaching us--perhaps in light of a particular reputation or simple looks, or intellect--we're the ones still chasing them down, not the other way around. The power is still in their hands because of said fact. The day women are forced to approach men is the day that men truly gain the power.
marinetti said:this is a really good old post. whoever dug this one up found a real gem.
that said, i believe that in the courting world, as it has been in virtually every known civilization (are there any exceptions? I seriously don't know) it is the man's job to do the pursuing, the initiation of conversation, pushing it to a romantic level, and working the logistics to getting a woman to go home with him. SharinganUser is absolutely right on this point. That gives men half of the power right there.
it is the woman's job to, at any point, decline these escalations. If a man talks to her and she doesn't want to talk to him, she turns him away. If he's talking on a personal level and escalates it to a sexual level, it is her job to reject this if she does not like it. That gives her half of the power.
At any point, either of these two can walk away from the interaction. So they both have power in it. Likewise, women are constantly battling with men who do not have the balls to properly escalate. Once you prove you don't have the balls, they want nothing to do with you because you're not pulling your weight.
I think these kinds of forums real goals are to teach men how to grow the balls to pull their weight in courtship. This is why I do not believe it is chauvinistic to work a room. You're presenting yourself to all the women in the room, and some will reject you, sure. That's their job as women, but don't take it personally. In fact, by not taking it personally, you show you understand the rules of courtship and that's so unique and attractive that the women who shot you down may very well come back and reintroduce themselves later.
a woman may not be saying "no" when she rejects your advance. She may also be saying "not yet" and that applies to approach, escalation to sexy talk, or whatever.
this is a long post, but i'd love comments.
and thatit is the man's job to do the pursuing
And they really don't get this part:it is the woman's job to, at any point, decline these escalations.
What a man! I would give you some rep points, but I can't give anymore for a 24 hour period. The outrage!!In fact, by not taking it personally, you show you understand the rules of courtship and that's so unique and attractive that the women who shot you down may very well come back and reintroduce themselves later.
a woman may not be saying "no" when she rejects your advance. She may also be saying "not yet" and that applies to approach, escalation to sexy talk, or whatever.
David Shade said:"Imagine what it would be like to be a beautiful woman. Really, what is it like to be a hot woman? You get perks. You don't have to put air in your tires. You get offered free drinks. All that stuff. But you get objectified. And being objectified SUCKS! There is no power in that. Sure, you could walk into any bar and take a man home in 5 minutes, but you don't know him, and you would just be an object, so the sex would suck. There is no power in that."
"I never realized how boring this game really was." - Homer at a baseball game, day 17 without alcoholmarinetti said:DonJuan11, although you can't go get a $16M deal just by asking, you have the power to practice, get good, and work towards getting exposure in the game.
My point is I can be the best I can be, strong, funny, rich, look like Brad, exciting, but in the end its the girl that makes the decision to have sex. I've had a girl on my couch ready to have sex with me for the first time but she changed her mind because I did not have a six pack. Wish I had the power in that situation
luckily, picking up women isn't such a lofty ambition. it's not as hard to get a woman interested in sex as it is to get a sports deal.
Apples and oranges but to sleep with a beautiful woman is very very hard
and sure, you get them to initiate sexual intimacy. that's cool, I do it too, by teasing and flirting to the point that she's very interested in me. but at the same time, I need to do the flirting. Unless you're claiming that you just sit there, doing nothing, and they just come up and start making out with you. Are you one of those incredible naturals? Even if you are, you're still showing interest, even if it's unconsciously. Unconscious competence is, in my mind, the biggest goal I have from these forums.
Point again is there is not point to initiate anything. I'm not a natural at all, but I never try to hold her hand or go for the first kiss or anything. What's the point? For her to bruise the ego? For her to insult me? Yes I know nothing venturing nothing gained, but once you've been rejected for sex 10 times, you don't really care to initiate the 11th time
And come on, porn? That's the ultimate objectification of women. I'm not out to objectify. I'm out to meet, connect, and seduce.
You are right, I'm just saying David Spade must look like Brad or else he would not be saying that beautiful women hate having all the power. They love it and the use it to their full advantage.
marinetti said:the end result is women are comfortable being themselves around me, which is inherently extremely attractive. then when i let them know i'm sexually interested, they almost always respond positively.
Youre saying it as if women dont want sex at all. They want intimacy with men just as much as men want it with women so they dont have all the power. Its fairly even. (Unless youre an ugly woman or an AFC)DonJuan11 said:I agree with you.
My point is they can still say no to any physical contact even if they respond positively, hence they have the power.
I'm just trying to make a philosophical point. They have a product we want and we have to come up with the "goods" to "purchase" the product. Therefore we don't have the power.
All I want David to admit is "We don't have the power". All the other discussion about how we look, how we act, what we do, is fluff.