Do push ups and pull ups get you ripped?

[Throttle]

Whey protein is made from cheese.

Cheese is real food.

your implied syllogism is irrelevant.

splenda is made from sugar. sugar is real food.

partially hydrogenated oils are made from vegetable oils. veggie oil is real food.

very few food additives or fractions start out as anything other than real food -- but the result is clearly not what anyone means by real food -- because of what is done to them along the way.

Is protein from organic meat the best source of protein? Of course it is.

of course it isn't. eggs are arguably a better source of protein than any meat, and certified organic meat has no demonstrably superior nutritional qualities over meat that is not certified organic.

MSWrestler is certainly right that no one needs whey shakes. if a guy finds them helpful, well, that's fine, too. but i'd rather see him start without them, or postworkout only, and add them if he just can't get enough protein without them.

 

[The Muscle Guy]

your implied syllogism is irrelevant.

splenda is made from sugar. sugar is real food.

partially hydrogenated oils are made from vegetable oils. veggie oil is real food.

very few food additives or fractions start out as anything other than real food -- but the result is clearly not what anyone means by real food -- because of what is done to them along the way.



of course it isn't. eggs are arguably a better source of protein than any meat, and certified organic meat has no demonstrably superior nutritional qualities over meat that is not certified organic.

MSWrestler is certainly right that no one needs whey shakes. if a guy finds them helpful, well, that's fine, too. but i'd rather see him start without them, or postworkout only, and add them if he just can't get enough protein without them.

I see you need to boost your pitiful ego by using words you hope the other person doesn't know. I see it all the time in my profession, douche bag personal trainers using words like transverse plane or protraction in every other sentence. It doesn't make you look more intelligent. It just makes you look like a douche bag.

Do you have any proof, any scientific research that whey protein is bad for you?

You do realize that eggs are full of cholesterol and someone with high cholesterol can't eat them.

I know what you're going to say, eat egg whites. You didn't say egg white, you said eggs.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=92


Meats are the best. And if we are going to nitpick over words, let's say free range, antibiotic and hormone free meat. Happy?

 

[Alle_Gory]

You do realize that eggs are full of cholesterol and someone with high cholesterol can't eat them.

About 85 percent of your blood cholesterol level is endogenous, which means it is produced by your body. The other 15 percent or so comes from an external source -- your diet. Your dietary cholesterol originates from meat, poultry, fish, seafood and dairy products. It's possible for some people to eat foods high in cholesterol and still have low blood cholesterol levels. Likewise, it's possible to eat foods low in cholesterol and have a high blood cholesterol level.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/cholesterol2.htm

 

[020204]

The topic of whether push ups and pull ups will get you ripped has gone a little off topic. They are two excellent exercises, if you are after mass probably not the answer, I would go for more compound movements. The military use push ups and pull ups as something of a barometer for fitness. No particular exercise will get you ripped alone however these two exercises are very good and commonly feature in a lot of programs like Cross fit. If you had only two exercises to keep you in shape you couldn't go too far wrong.

 

[Throttle]

i have no need to boost my ego, which is already outsized indeed. if you know what valid syllogisms are, then you should use them properly. if you don't, then you shouldn't use them at all. you asserted that "whey protein is from real food" implying that it is "real food" which is simply not true by any common sense meaning. i have no scientific evidence that whey protein can harm you. i don't need it.

i have a principle that says "eat real food unless you absolutely can't get what you need otherwise" which leads me to recommend that most guys (who can't/won't eat enough fish) supplement with fish oil, and some guys (who have tried and failed to get enough protein from their diet) supplement with a protein powder (of which whey is the most famous & available but not always the most appropriate).

you have no scientific evidence that eggs can harm anyone except the <10% of the population with true clinical hypercholesterolemia (and those people know who they are!) actually i'm skeptical that even they need to avoid eggs, but i'm not going to contradict standard medical advice on this forum.

you don't know what i'm going to say. see, that's the difference between you and the regulars here. you think you know, but you're wrong. whereas we know exactly what you're going to say, those of us who follow this forum, because the same stupid advice gets repeated over and over by people who wander in and then back out with no accountability, in the meantime confusing guys who are already led astray by packaging, magazines, breathless promises made all over internet and more.

i'm not going to say eat egg whites, because i think that for most people eating egg whites is stupid. eat the whole thing.

Meats are the best. And if we are going to nitpick over words, let's say free range, antibiotic and hormone free meat. Happy?

no. please enlighten me. show me one nutritional benefit to meat that is free range, antibiotic free or hormone free, beyond the superior fat profile of free range beef, which the label "free range" does not guarantee (but the label "grass fed" might). if you're paying a premium for organic beef, you're hoping that it has a better fat profile than regular beef, but there's no way to know.

Whole Foods' products are little better (and sometimes worse) for the environment and people's health, and definitely worse for their wallet, but they benefit from a luxury halo where everyone assumes that because it's more expensive it must be better for you & everyone else.

 

[The Muscle Guy]

i have no need to boost my ego, which is already outsized indeed. if you know what valid syllogisms are, then you should use them properly. if you don't, then you shouldn't use them at all. you asserted that "whey protein is from real food" implying that it is "real food" which is simply not true by any common sense meaning. i have no scientific evidence that whey protein can harm you. i don't need it.

i have a principle that says "eat real food unless you absolutely can't get what you need otherwise" which leads me to recommend that most guys (who can't/won't eat enough fish) supplement with fish oil, and some guys (who have tried and failed to get enough protein from their diet) supplement with a protein powder (of which whey is the most famous & available but not always the most appropriate).

you have no scientific evidence that eggs can harm anyone except the <10% of the population with true clinical hypercholesterolemia (and those people know who they are!) actually i'm skeptical that even they need to avoid eggs, but i'm not going to contradict standard medical advice on this forum.

you don't know what i'm going to say. see, that's the difference between you and the regulars here. you think you know, but you're wrong. whereas we know exactly what you're going to say, those of us who follow this forum, because the same stupid advice gets repeated over and over by people who wander in and then back out with no accountability, in the meantime confusing guys who are already led astray by packaging, magazines, breathless promises made all over internet and more.

i'm not going to say eat egg whites, because i think that for most people eating egg whites is stupid. eat the whole thing.



no. please enlighten me. show me one nutritional benefit to meat that is free range, antibiotic free or hormone free, beyond the superior fat profile of free range beef, which the label "free range" does not guarantee (but the label "grass fed" might). if you're paying a premium for organic beef, you're hoping that it has a better fat profile than regular beef, but there's no way to know.

Whole Foods' products are little better (and sometimes worse) for the environment and people's health, and definitely worse for their wallet, but they benefit from a luxury halo where everyone assumes that because it's more expensive it must be better for you & everyone else.

Obviously you are an attention wh0re.

And you are a fool. Do you realize many fish are filled with toxic levels of mercury?

I am leaving for a 3 week vacation today. If you want to resume this spat, feel free.

FYI, notice I have a picture on my profile. Obviously my training methodology is sound and produces tangible results. Oh and if you are going to say that I have good genetics, I have before and after pictures of my clients on my personal training website. How about you?

 

[Throttle]

that's the third & fourth name you've called me in one thread, and i'm not sure what that accomplishes.

don't eat fish with high levels of mercury. also, don't eat lead paint.

enjoy your vacation! i enjoy my anonymity and so do my trainees, so i don't parade them on the internet.

 

[EFFORT]

Obviously you are an attention wh0re.

And you are a fool. Do you realize many fish are filled with toxic levels of mercury?

I am leaving for a 3 week vacation today. If you want to resume this spat, feel free.

FYI, notice I have a picture on my profile. Obviously my training methodology is sound and produces tangible results. Oh and if you are going to say that I have good genetics, I have before and after pictures of my clients on my personal training website. How about you?

The Muscle Guy your really becoming annoying. I thought we resolved all the name calling issues and drama in the bench press thread. Throttle is a long time respected contributor of this forum.....its ridiclous for you to just pop up out of no where and start causing all these flames.

 

[mrRuckus]

Oh, boys, whenever I stop coming around you all fall apart.





I love this topic of cholesterol! There's not much evidence that cholesterol in food raises cholesterol much... and if it does, there's not much evidence that high cholesterol is even a bad thing!

In fact it likely is even good!

Cholesterol is used by the body to protect itself from heart disease. Cause and effect are reversed!



http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/benefits_cholest.html

The Benefits of High Cholesterol

By Uffe Ravnskov, MD, PhD

People with high cholesterol live the longest. This statement seems so incredible that it takes a long time to clear one´s brainwashed mind to fully understand its importance. Yet the fact that people with high cholesterol live the longest emerges clearly from many scientific papers. Consider the finding of Dr. Harlan Krumholz of the Department of Cardiovascular Medicine at Yale University, who reported in 1994 that old people with low cholesterol died twice as often from a heart attack as did old people with a high cholesterol.1 Supporters of the cholesterol campaign consistently ignore his observation, or consider it as a rare exception, produced by chance among a huge number of studies finding the opposite.

But it is not an exception; there are now a large number of findings that contradict the lipid hypothesis. To be more specific, most studies of old people have shown that high cholesterol is not a risk factor for coronary heart disease. This was the result of my search in the Medline database for studies addressing that question.2 Eleven studies of old people came up with that result, and a further seven studies found that high cholesterol did not predict all-cause mortality either.

Now consider that more than 90 % of all cardiovascular disease is seen in people above age 60 also and that almost all studies have found that high cholesterol is not a risk factor for women.2 This means that high cholesterol is only a risk factor for less than 5 % of those who die from a heart attack.

But there is more comfort for those who have high cholesterol; six of the studies found that total mortality was inversely associated with either total or LDL-cholesterol, or both. This means that it is actually much better to have high than to have low cholesterol if you want to live to be very old.

Anyway, i'm making no conclusions. I am not worried about it until they can actually prove that it matters.


MORE fun! http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm

 

[mrRuckus]

Hello, this is Otis Lee and I can't deadlift properly, but I can teach it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6T95NjspVY

 

[Throttle]

Oh, boys, whenever I stop coming around you all fall apart.

it's true. we go right down the crapper.

 

[Flyer]

Hello, this is Otis Lee and I can't deadlift properly, but I can teach it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6T95NjspVY

lmao.. wtf was that?

Muscle guy, you may know a little bit about basic barbell exercises; But clearly, you are nowhere near an expert on these topics.

Stick with BJJ and what you're actually good at.