Do Men Still Pay For Dates

[Hamurabimbi]

If I ask. I pay.

 

[bat soup]

If you have a vagina, you don't ask. Therefore if you have a vagina, food and drink is free. God bless America and its Simps.

 

[Georgepithyou]

I can understand it in poor countries or places where women don't work, but I find US women particularly hypocritical. Supposedly they´re equal but they don´t want to pay their own bills

They want to have their cake and eat it too. All the benefits of feminism with none of the responbility

I don't appreciate it at all. Because of some outdated principle, I have to pay for her drink. If I don't, I'll be labeled a cheapskate and I won't get a 2nd date.

At that point your nothing but a walling talking ATM machine for her, if she doesn't want to date you because you don't pay. Your probbaly better off without her.

I have a buddy who's wife is from Vietnam. He always tells me, "If you ever get married, marry an Asian woman. She will take THE best care of you."

What is this the 1960s? Sounds like a Boomer to me

 

[CoandaEffect]

In my experience if I don’t pay on the first date there will not be a second date, simple as that.

My first 2 or 3 dates are always something quite cheap, coffee, drinks, art gallery, walk in the park. I think some women see me as cheap and bail. That’s fine with me, if they see me as cheap, then good riddance to them.

If I like them and they are good conversationalists then date 4 will be to one of my favorite restaurants and I’ll pay. At that stage I quite enjoy paying for her company, which is really what I’m doing.

After that she needs to invest in me somehow. She needs to pay for a date, invite me to her house for dinner, sleep with me, whatever, but she needs to contribute more than her company. If she does not do that then I see her as a gold digger and I will slow fade.

And on those first two or three dates she needs to say thank you. It amazes me how many women will go on a date and not even thank you for it.

 

[SW15]

If you have a vagina, you don't ask. Therefore if you have a vagina, food and drink is free. God bless America and its Simps.

That's been my experience. Up until menopause, the freebies are great.

They want to have their cake and eat it too. All the benefits of feminism with none of the responbility

Women want feminism when it is convenient for them.

At that point your nothing but a walling talking ATM machine for her, if she doesn't want to date you because you don't pay. Your probbaly better off without her.

In my experience if I don’t pay on the first date there will not be a second date, simple as that.

@CoandaEffect - It's intriguing that we've had the same experiences dating women of different generations.

Due to the surplus of penis, women can expect great freebies. The surplus + beta simping raises the price for everyone. Women get free early stage dates and can leave the interaction before the sex, soaking the man for free drinks and the man gets nothing out of it. If a man gets soaked for 3-4 $30 dates, that adds up. Even without dinner dates, too many failed dates is bad. No coffee dates though because sexual escalation doesn't happen in a coffee shop.

My first 2 or 3 dates are always something quite cheap, coffee, drinks, art gallery, walk in the park. I think some women see me as cheap and bail. That’s fine with me, if they see me as cheap, then good riddance to them.

After that she needs to invest in me somehow. She needs to pay for a date, invite me to her house for dinner, sleep with me, whatever, but she needs to contribute more than her company. If she does not do that then I see her as a gold digger and I will slow fade.

I have kept my dates inexpensive over time but if I go out on enough of them and the failure rate is high, it adds up in the collective. With websites/swipe apps, I was going out on too many failing dates, even with the cost of the typical date being low.

Agree on getting her to contribute.

And on those first two or three dates she needs to say thank you. It amazes me how many women will go on a date and not even thank you for it.

A lot of girls dont say thank you, that blows my mind.

I have had this experience as well.

 

[bat soup]

In my experience if I don’t pay on the first date there will not be a second date, simple as that.

That's not been my experience at all. But then it can depend where you're from.

In fact, I've found it's often the opposite - women that insist on food, etc are the type that don't put out.

 

[derby1]

considering the last 10 women I have got out, have all been far from LTR material, I think I will save my money.

 

[2Rocky]

If you have a vagina, you don't ask. Therefore if you have a vagina, food and drink is free. God bless America and its Simps.

Oh yes they do.....

I have the Sorority event chachkies to prove it from college. . And in my 40's I have the Wine Tasting glasses to prove it. If you can show in a group that you are a fun guy you will be sought out by women who know you know how to have fun. That means showing discretion on PDA, and holding your liquor, and making sure people around you are enjoying themselves...

 

[2Rocky]

I recall one of my few interactions with online dating I got a question about that first date. I think she was asking about what I proposed to do, but I talked about how it made you feel.....That seemed to make her accept my frame.

One message I found interesting from her was: "What is your idea of a great first date?" I thought maybe she was angling to see whether I'd take her to an expensive restaurant or do some grand gesture.

To which I replied:" a great first date goes by so fast you don't realize it because the conversation flows so well. There is a physical attraction right away and a palpable sexual tension. The activity isn't as important as the opportunity to really communicate. Could be coffee, a beer, a walk outside, or sitting by the fire."

It ended up getting me a coffee date the next day around noon. She hooked hard and was prompting me for a follow up date but I demurred for a few reasons... She was a solid option though. I just had better ones in the pipeline.

 

[Grinderman]

Here you pay for everything and they don't say thank you (most of them), splitting the bill is not an option, it's almost an insult to their femininity. Some girls propose to pay their part but it's really rare.

Are you sure you are not just buying into their frame?

Vodka is cheap.

Are you teaching English over there? Vodkaberg: English Teacher X,,,: This guy spent 9 years over there and not once does he mention going out spending cash on fancy dinners. Mostly meeting women through friends, students going out to pubs and clubs with friends.......lots of alcohol and lots of banging. Mind you I don't think the guy was looking to get married or settle down..........booze and bang.

 

[Grinderman]

A date should be simple: a drink, a walk or a coffee.

Yes agreed.

I can guarantee you that this guys Vodkaberg is not telling the truth (like Roosh V with his Bang Ukraine and Russia). He didn't get laid as much as he said, I'm 99% sure.

Maybe, maybe not. I don't think it was meant as a "bang/player boy memoir" more like he fancied himself as a Bukowski style writer. At least that's the impression I got.

If he banged girls, it's probably not because he had game,

I don't think he claimed to have game or know of the existence of game if I remember correctly. Written pretty self depreciating way, didn't seem to take himself too seriously.
@FuzzX can weigh in here about the English teacher abroad /booze /sex lifestyle.

The language barrier is real.

Yes he did mention that a lot. Although his students friends knew English and he did learn enough Russian to get by after spending 9 years there.

It was probably booze and bang prostitute.

mate, there are people all over the world who put themselves out there in bars every weekend and low and behold they manage to pull without having to resort to prostitutes. Put men and women in a room together especially with alcohol and there's going to be fvcking had. This has been happening since the dawn of time. All of the pua stuff have got a lot of guys in their heads and thinking they are not good enough, thus taking themselves way too seriously...

Hot girls don't drink here, or if they drink they drink very little (not good for their body).

this is a huge blanket statement. Normal people drink in moderation anyway, stumblebums get drunk (it ain't a good look for anyone)

No girls drink vodka

I don't believe that for one second. Granted I don't know Russia, but if it is anything like Poland.....females drink vodka. You must be hooking up with nuns over there to claim Russian girls don't drink vodka.

Girls that drink and get wasted are the trashy ones, the ugly ones. I know what I'm talking about.

Wait.....only ugly women get drunk? Anyway, drunkenness is a not a nice sight in anybody whatever the country, so I mostly agree with that.....a little bit funny to say only ugly biatches get drunk though!

 

[FuzzX]

Thank you for the call out Grinderman.

If he banged girls, it's probably not because he had game, but because he had a American or British passport at a time when showing such a passport to poor young women that lived in poverty and wanted to escape from Russia would get you laid. He moved there in 2000, things were a bit different. Just his name, Vodkaberg, you know he's beta... He just wanted to sell books (like PUAs want to sell programs). It was probably booze and bang prostitute.

Whoa that's a tinge of jealousy mate and is simply untrue, you can't just flip a passport and get laid.

To give this story some context, I found some old photos of us. That's me and my wife when we were young.



I knew this guy Alan from Seattle in China. Big, blonde white guy [4th from the left], degree, came from money, total SJW retard before SJW's existed. He was the very definition of white knight, nice guy, hyper politically correct. He made management love him because he constantly kissed their asses. He hung out with this dumb halfie american b1tch from somewhere in America, her name was Erica [Red Head].

[I Anyway, this dude could not hit it off with a single Chinese girl no matter what he did. He thought he was cool, tried looking cool and acting 'cool' but for whatever reason he just couldn't hack it with women, not even after 6 months [I hooked up with my wife within a day or two of getting there]. Alan ended up hanging out with Erica and the two of them planned a trip to Xian during the break. This is what happens to super unsuccessful males abroad, they start hanging out with the American women. Now abroad, American women are basically garbage, no one, not even their own country men will touch them. So Erica, even though she was pretty cute for the states (that's a bad picture) was hovering around a HB 0.5 and she knew it. He ended up paying for both of them, their hotel rooms and all the meals in expensive restaurants. When they came back, Erica wouldn't speak to him but said he tried to make a move on her or something. This would be the equivalent of a 250lb warpig with blue hair rejecting you here at home.

That black dude and I ended up having a competition on who could get more numbers in a nightclub, he got 10, I had both pockets full and then some. Alan had 0. Granted the black guy was studying to be a doctor but still, you can't just lay down a passport and think that you'll pull numbers. There is an exoticism factor in play here. People are attracted to foreigners, in most cases. Why? Well #1 it's easy to talk to them and they are usually more open to being approached and engaged. Just by being in a different country you are already notifying the locals that you are someone who is capable of stepping outside their comfort zone or pursuing something you really want. English teachers by and large are very extroverted MALES and can usually charm the pants off women. Everybody minus Alan in those pictures is already married, some divorced and re-married. I'm the only one who had any game knowledge. That said, you can't be a nice guy reject and think it translates into pvssy. Women instinctively know a sucker when they see them.

If you look at the second photo, you can check out my wife's body language. Now I think I had met her all of a week before I took her to that party so we weren't even bf & gf yet. The chick with the witch hat was a software engineer and she married the guy with the red all over his face. That dude didn't have game, he was a natural Alpha. The guy on the far left was easily the mousiest dude of the bunch and even HE was able to pick up a girl and get married. He was a nice guy, don't get me wrong but all of us were blue collar dudes (forklift drivers) minus Alan who was a university educated dinkhole. If women were attracted to money/education/jobs he would have been the first to hook up. I think he eventually went back to America empty handed.

Is Vodkaberg englishteacherx?

 

[FuzzX]

Nice! But is has nothing to do with Russia?

Russia is no different from China, same system, people are basically the exact same minus a few minimal differences. The Russians are basically white Chinese people. Granted Russia is much more dangerous but they're both Soviets.

 

[FuzzX]

These two guys are from the RooshV forums.

 

[FuzzX]

@mikedee

Sorry mike, I read your post wrong. Did you know EnglishteacherX? I did an interview with him to rant about the CELTA, I failed it twice because I didn't know how to act around politically correct ****s when I was in my twenties. It was on his website ages ago.

I love his cartoons, they were all completely true to life. I've run into all those situations a dozen times. lol. Are you over there teaching English? Man, if you need, let me know, I have a ton of English teaching contacts and can pull you a really decent job in Guangzhou. If you hustle you can make six figures right now and the recruiter over there is from Toronto [black guy]. He speaks perfect Cantonese and he saved my ass when I had to go to the hospital a couple years ago. He likes twizzlers candy, so if you can get some, you'll have a buddy for life.

I will say this about ESL, you can get women easy as pie by comparison to those who are just travelling around the country. You are put in front of a rich, bored, [often horny] good looking woman 9 times out of 10 and you just have to entertain them. Yeah I agree, those were different times in the 00's but I don't think that Vodkaberg was just anybody. He was one of the teachers that I idolized in my twenties, he's pretty much the reason I failed the CELTAs hahaha. AND he's the reason I stuck with the industry despite the politically correct knobs telling me to quit. Teachers, especially guys back at that time were either roughneck badass types or hyper politically correct losers. My first time in China (I was in Urumqi), I worked with a combat medic from sierra lieone, an intel agent from the tajikistan military, a haggard Irish bar maid, a crazy a$$hole from Ukraine, a backpacker from NZ, some b1tch from Spain and a horny South African chick who was riding trains all day long. The second semester a retired ex copper and two footballers from britian joined us. There was A LOT of drinking, parties and women. Aside from the female teachers who were desperate to fvck any man. I mean the 0's were fvckin crazy times for ESL because you didn't need a degree to get a job, just about anybody who had a reason to run was teaching ESL [hence the term Midnight Runners]. You think Russia was a crazy scene, you should've tried Japan.

 

[Grinderman]

it proves that you don't know anything about Russia.

What are you like 15? Lighten up Leon bloody Tolstoy. I did't claim to know anything about Russia, in fact I wrote precisely that I'd never been Poland and Hungary yes. Pull your knickers out of your azz soft lad.

Is Vodkaberg englishteacherx?

English Teacher X is his pen name. He used to write a blog a for years about his life teaching abroad and then wrote a series of books. His first book was about his first teaching stints (I think in the likes of Thailand and Prague and somewhere else) the second book he named "Vodkaberg" 9 years teaching in Russia and approaching middle age.......third one in the series he left Russia and got a job (to try get some cash together now at 40) in the middle east leaving the party lifestyle behind.....

Edit: ah right you know him. Well Vodkabert was his Russian memoirs.

 

[FuzzX]

What are you like 15? Lighten up Leon bloody Tolstoy. I did't claim to know anything about Russia, in fact I wrote precisely that I'd never been Poland and Hungary yes. Pull your knickers out of your azz soft lad.



English Teacher X is his pen name. He used to write a blog a for years about his life teaching abroad and then wrote a series of books. His first book was about his first teaching stints (I think in the likes of Thailand and Prague and somewhere else) the second book he named "Vodkaberg" 9 years teaching in Russia and approaching middle age.......third one in the series he left Russia and got a job (to try get some cash together now at 40) in the middle east leaving the party lifestyle behind.....

Are you also an ESLer? I love ESL teachers, they're the most down to earth bunch of thieves and vagabonds on the planet. I'm glad I had the experience.

 

[Georgepithyou]

Here you pay for everything and they don't say thank you (most of them), splitting the bill is not an option, it's almost an insult to their femininity. Some girls propose to pay their part but it's really rare.

These women are just taking advantage if you, what is she going to do if you make her pay? Do you really want a petty girl who demands guys pay for free meals? Russian women are really overrated anyways.

 

[Georgepithyou]

women that insist on food, etc are the type that don't put out.

Resturuant dates are reserved for girlfriends, you don't take someone you just met to a Resturuant. First date should always be something casual like drinks.

It's honestly amazing that we have guys who genuinely believe a man should pay because he asked her out. You both are going on the date, so you both pay.

 

[SW15]

Resturuant dates are reserved for girlfriends, you don't take someone you just met to a Resturuant. First date should always be something casual like drinks.

It's honestly amazing that we have guys who genuinely believe a man should pay because he asked her out. You both are going on the date, so you both pay.

Drinks dates now are getting tougher to execute with the pandemic. The outdoor dates now are typically table settings, which is fine for food and established couples but lousy for early stage dating (pre-sex element).

Pre-pandemic, once I got game-aware, I said drinks or activity dates for a first date. Drinks were the default and used about 95% of the time. I only used the activity first date when it was obvious there was some great activity we had in common.

I've been the man asking out and paying. As I have mentioned, over my lifetime I've gotten soaked for a lot of money because of this. Women only do feminism when it is convenient for them.

I know a woman on Tinder/Hinge who get a lot of dinner date offers for early stage dates. This is astounding to me because she's average looking. I also thought men were not going to simp and meal date from a swipe app.