Do men really have more time than women in the sexual market place?

[LTG71]

Not true.

A woman‘s SMV depends on her youth and fertility. Her time is a lot more precious than a man‘s. A man can have a baby and almost any age, a woman can’t. Once a woman passes, let’s say 38, her SMV is down the drain. A childless man wants nothing to do with her Yet a man can have a baby in his 50s, 60s, and 70s, and as long as he has some money and resources and takes care of himself, a fertile women could have a baby with him because she wants his resources,

I don’t know how everyone is saying the wall for women is in their 50s and sometimes 60s. My patience for any non-fertile women is about a lunch hour, 90 min max. And then people are saying men are desperate to have a full blown relationship with these older women? I don’t see it.

Men want youth, women want resources.

Most women are sexually desirable starting at the age of 18 without having to do anything. Slowly those free benefits start to dwindle down with age. Most women don’t take care of themselves and false advertise with clothing and makeup. By 40, if she is still single and childless, there must be some internal issues going on that nobody wants to deal with.

One 45 year old I know said, “I’ve got a mom bod without having the actual kids…”

Yes, you were/are lazy and complacent and it finally caught up with you. Now it would take a mountain of effort to get rid of that “mom bod.“ At 30, this same woman had a nice body and could get away with bad behavior, but now she blends in with all the other over weight, middle-aged Karens. Now she is depressed and freaking out because she is invisible and not hot like she used to be. Funny to hear them vocalize reality when it hits them. “I used to be hot…”. Yup, those days have ended sweetheart.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The typical male in his 30s/40s in the sexual marketplace is a pussie beggar who will end up settling for some mediocre to subpar pussie close to his own age. The SMV chart that men peak at 36-40 is complete crap. The typical 36-40 year old man isn't getting a girlfriend substantially younger and he'll be choosing from scraps in a lot of cases.

That's mainly due to making poor health and financial decision for the decade prior tho.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Most women are sexually desirable starting at the age of 18 without having to do anything. Slowly those free benefits start to dwindle down with age. Most women don’t take care of themselves and false advertise with clothing and makeup. By 40, if she is still single and childless, there must be some internal issues going on that nobody wants to deal with.

One 45 year old I know said, “I’ve got a mom bod without having the actual kids…”

Yes, you were/are lazy and complacent and it finally caught up with you. Now it would take a mountain of effort to get rid of that “mom bod.“ At 30, this same woman had a nice body and could get away with bad behavior, but now she blends in with all the other over weight, middle-aged Karens. Now she is depressed and freaking out because she is invisible and not hot like she used to be. Funny to hear them vocalize reality when it hits them. “I used to be hot…”. Yup, those days have ended sweetheart.

The woman is still in a more desirable position than a man because:

1). Women will date older men and are more judged on looks than other factors. All a woman has to do is just lose an adequate amount of weight to attract men. Yes, she cannot have kids later on, but there are plenty of men that don't want kids either. In addition, women are more accepting towards older men than men are to older women, so this just helps their case because older men are more likely to not care about having kids than younger men. Your average 35-year-old woman is not dreaming of dating some 20-year-old Chadwick. As a result, a woman will always have a decent number of suitable men in her dating pool.

2). Men have to worry to about economic stability & looks. As men get older, their economic status matters more. Men get a free pass until they are around 30 and if they do not have a stable career or business, they start to get disqualified by women their age. At this point, women can just date richer older men or Chads their age similar to their level. Your bartending job or bad boy bum Mr. Fun lifestyle loses its sex appeal. His only options are scraping the barrel for women his age or older or messing around with naive vulnerable chicks at the suburban Sonic or Chilis. A guy in his 30s and higher cannot simply just turn his economic status around overnight unlike a woman that can just get on a fitness diet plan and go to the gym.

 

[SW15]

That's mainly due to making poor health and financial decision for the decade prior tho.

Not always. It's only top tier guys who are 36-40 who are having a decent time in the marketplace. Even average guys who didn't make poor decisions (just average ones) are having a mediocre to subpar time and are pussie beggars. The middle of the bell curve is filled with pussie beggars.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Not always. It's only top tier guys who are 36-40 who are having a decent time in the marketplace. Even average guys who didn't make poor decisions (just average ones) are having a mediocre to subpar time and are pussie beggars. The middle of the bell curve is filled with pussie beggars.

Well I'm not top tier and I have zero issues. Seems like people just want to make excuses because it's easier to do that than have to do any amount of work. If it doesn't fall out of the sky and land in their laps it is too much work.

Shouldn't be surprising as that's the same work ethic they show at their jobs.

 

[pipeman84]

The woman is still in a more desirable position than a man because:

1). Women will date older men and are more judged on looks than other factors. All a woman has to do is just lose an adequate amount of weight to attract men.

For short term sex yes.

A guy in his 30s and higher cannot simply just turn his economic status around overnight unlike a woman that can just get on a fitness diet plan and go to the gym.

It's quite simple to drop 20 pounds of fat, but almost impossible to drop the baggage accumulated throughout the 20s.
The bottom line is that like attracts like ... a quality guy won't commit to a woman just because she looks good in gym wear.

 

[SW15]

The woman is still in a more desirable position than a man

1). Women will date older men and are more judged on looks than other factors. All a woman has to do is just lose an adequate amount of weight to attract men. Yes, she cannot have kids later on, but there are plenty of men that don't want kids either.

Agree that the woman is still in a more desirable position. A lot of 35+ men don't want any more kids (if they have them) or any kids at all (if they are childless).

Your average 35-year-old woman is not dreaming of dating some 20-year-old Chadwick. As a result, a woman will always have a decent number of suitable men in her dating pool.

35-50 year old women have plenty of men pursuing them. There are plenty of thirsty men older than they are.

2). Men have to worry to about economic stability & looks. As men get older, their economic status matters more. Men get a free pass until they are around 30 and if they do not have a stable career or business, they start to get disqualified by women their age.

At this point, women can just date richer older men or Chads their age similar to their level.

That's what women do. Men start to get judged on their money/wealth starting around 30-35.

A guy in his 30s and higher cannot simply just turn his economic status around overnight unlike a woman that can just get on a fitness diet plan and go to the gym.

This is true as long as the woman is childless. The baggage of children isn't going away though. Easier to fix a weight problem than an income/wealth problem.

 

[pipeman84]

35-50 year old women have plenty of men pursuing them.

Yeah, and they find them as desirable as you would find +50yrs old fat women with short blue hair.

Take some time and reflect on this ... what kind of men are those? I understand pursuing for short term sex, but notwithstanding exceptional cases, why would a confident, smart, masculine guy commit to a +35yrs old woman?

 

[SW15]

why would a confident, smart, masculine guy commit to a +35yrs old woman?

If they are old or can't get any better. A 55 year old man can't get under 35. A 40 year old woman is an impressive catch to a 55 year old man.

 

[CornbreadFed]

It's quite simple to drop 20 pounds of fat, but almost impossible to drop the baggage accumulated throughout the 20s.
The bottom line is that like attracts like ... a quality guy won't commit to a woman just because she looks good in gym wear.

An older guy is more willing to be more understanding for a younger hotter girl with baggage due to scarcity, already having baggage himself, or both. In addition, there's this myth that single moms are hopeless women in dire situations looking for daddies for their kids out of wedlock when in reality it is the furthest thing from the truth. Of course, if you emit beta male provider energy, they might take advantage of it lol.

 

[zekko]

This is BS. Women have value since birth and decay with time. Men's value is made with time. I'm 34, and my physique and money have increased massively than when I was 24. If you're not getting better then you're doing the wrong things.

Agree with this. Men's value is built. But you have to put the work in. If not, it's not going to land in your lap.

Men tend to age better IF they stay in shape. That's just a tendency though, some women age very well, and some men don't. Neither gender is immune to Father Time though.

 

[TheGrindEqualsHappiness]

Interesting sidenote:
The whole age and smv discussion is really abstract. Lets go to the real life instead of statistics.

First premise is that attraction is not a choice. Chicks are attracted to man that makes her vag tingle, not to a man who convinces her to like him with facts.

What's the actual thing in aging that affects the attractiveness in men:
- looks
+ Life experience, confidence, social skills
+ Accumulated resources
What else?

So, if you happen to be 45 year old with a face of 35 year old and good body? How do you compare to that standard 30 year old guy?

Or take for example 20 something guy with some game (= confidence&social skills, just more powerfull) he will beast!

Attracting with the resources is really tricky, because beta bucks.
( here, I learned a modern redpill term. It used to be lover-frame vs provider-frame in the good old days )

(Btw does anyone still remember terms supplication and AFC?)

 

[Gamisch]

No, this myth has been exaggerated by Fresh and Fit and bitter Mgtows. A woman can thirst trap men even in her 50s. The older a guy gets, the more money he needs to attract non low-quality women.

Good observation. I'd even say that this MYTH is great to monitize. Tell us (desperate men) what we wanna hear. Shared pain is half the pain. Similar to a hot woman talking RP shyte. They selling hope like its dope.

Yeah, and they find them as desirable as you would find +50yrs old fat women with short blue hair.

Take some time and reflect on this ... what kind of men are those? I understand pursuing for short term sex, but notwithstanding exceptional cases, why would a confident, smart, masculine guy commit to a +35yrs old woman?

Take your pick from the 63% of dateless, sexless ,lonely and desperate men.

You should know by now that we can run a OLD experiment with a hb2,5 (whatever your definition of that will be) and STILL there will be TONS of seemingly "normal men " pursuing her.

Confident smart and masculine are three factors that hardly ever come together in a lonely man. That's like looking for a woman whose fun, great body and a low bodycount or something like that. Highly unlikely.

But that's nothing new bruh. Men are judged and valued by their accomplishments, what they bring to the table, its called the burden of performance, men are expected to perform. Women just have be attractive and fertile for those who want kids. But with time men should have more and more accomplishmens and women's look and fertility will decay more and more.

You obviously have a good piont.
Yet somehow more and more men are invincible on the dating marketplace. With this logic most (lets say 63%) of men should have zero issues with women. Even 37% would be a staggering amount of single men. Numbers don't lie.

 

[Gamisch]

Let me rephrase, a guy has to actually be something in society to be able to date higher quality girls the older he gets while a girl just needs to stay relatively attractive.

If anything, this mindset is HIGHLY DANGEROUS. If you are a man beneath the age of 25 let me warn you: THIS is you sexual peak.

Now you can eat pizza and fries and still have a sixpack. Now you'll have some friends who are single and childless and willing to wing. Head full of hair and (hopefully) not too much debts. Heart not shattered by women yet.

If you believe that you got untill 50 while women only have untill 28 ,you'll be in for a unpleasant surprise.

All the legacy ninjas better get that child before 30 or slightly after. If you drink/smoke/ party/ eat bad/sleep bad/do recreational drugs you accelerate your own demise.

Shyte has changed. I'd rather give the edge to women nowadays.

 

[LucianoM]

The typical male in his 30s/40s in the sexual marketplace is a pussie beggar who will end up settling for some mediocre to subpar pussie close to his own age. The SMV chart that men peak at 36-40 is complete crap. The typical 36-40 year old man isn't getting a girlfriend substantially younger and he'll be choosing from scraps in a lot of cases.

I hit my peak at 34 and have been riding it for 5 years now. But i hit the gym 4x a week, eat healthy, dress nice, have lots of disposable income, etc. and all the girls i date are at least 15 yrs younger than me. The problem with the SMV chart is most guys that age are losers but if youre a top tier guy then its pretty accurate that peak SMV is 35+.

 

[itouchyou]

I hit my peak at 34 and have been riding it for 5 years now. But i hit the gym 4x a week, eat healthy, dress nice, have lots of disposable income, etc. and all the girls i date are at least 15 yrs younger than me. The problem with the SMV chart is most guys that age are losers but if youre a top tier guy then its pretty accurate that peak SMV is 35+.

At the end of the day it is ALL about looks and money if we're talking about age.

Guys who are mid 30s who put in the effort to take care of their appearance and style and income will be able to pull women much younger. Women by default are hardwired to seek dominance and that effect only gets more and more pronounced when the guy is much older. Money, power, influence, wisdom, charisma, experience, these are all things that theoretically get better with age.

The opposite is also true, if guys do not put in the effort, the rising SMV curve of the guy above will be the complete opposite and SMV will go lower and lower with age.

There is no one size fits all answer.



As for the title of the thread - it depends. Women tend to have more options than men when they're older simply because men these days are weak. Weak for not being able to attract women and weak for not being able to take care of their own appearance. If you're looking at a 1:1 comparison where you take an equally attractive man and woman at the same age, it's still equal in my opinion. Men never really have the upper hand.

However if you're looking at who has the better chance of attracting their IDEAL partner - men win all the time. 40 year old men at his best will be able to attract an 18 year old easily. Look at Dicaprio. 40 year old woman will never be able to get her ideal man unless that man is a simp/beta.

 

[Macadellic]

Gun to my head,
I can reproduce on the spot with zero assistance and or difficulty.

Women in my age bracket can not say or do the same.

Hmm,
I thought men and women are equal.

 

[Isildur1]

Exactly my point. Men can become interesting, offer more with time. Women can't get younger or better looking with time.

women can cheat the system a bit more and buy more time. Getting boob jobs, but implants, surgeries , improved diet, collagen supplementation and obviously makeup. I know a fair few women who've gone down this rout to maintain their SMV. Of course in the 50-60s it can come crashing down but before then I think men are so desperate and sex starved around the west that women have a decent shot at smv maintenance .

 

[SW15]

women can cheat the system a bit more and buy more time. Getting boob jobs, but implants, surgeries , improved diet, collagen supplementation and obviously makeup. I know a fair few women who've gone down this rout to maintain their SMV.

"Real Housewives of X City" type women do this. If you consider "Real Housewives" type cast members, they are typically 35-54. Typical women in that age bracket aren't doing that sort of stuff, even in image oriented areas like Los Angeles/Orange County, Dallas, or Miami.

At the end of the day it is ALL about looks and money if we're talking about age.

Guys who are mid 30s who put in the effort to take care of their appearance and style and income will be able to pull women much younger. Women by default are hardwired to seek dominance and that effect only gets more and more pronounced when the guy is much older. Money, power, influence, wisdom, charisma, experience, these are all things that theoretically get better with age.

Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and personality.

I've always rated looks and money and #1 and #2. I've perceived looks being more important than money in most cases.

Men start to get more judged on the money variable of Game around age 30. Handling the income part of SMV can be challenging and not entirely in men's control, especially for the men working in white collar type, corporate roles.

A lot of women make their own money these days, which is why threads like the one below exist where we see women crapping on men who make $75,000 - $125,000 per year. That's a solid salary range. Many college educated women with some experience can get close to that salary on their own, so that man is unappealing without elite level looks. If a man plays the money game today, he needs comparatively more money than he would have needed in past eras.

Women Don't Want a Semi-Successful Man

Men in this category, $75k-$125k salary, relatively in shape, drive a good car, has a few hobbies, women do not want. Why? Because this man has standards. Women do not want to work for their men. Women of today want a simp or a millionaire. Simple as that. This is what society aka social media...

www.sosuave.net

Men can control their own style the most and appearance is still important in the 35-50 age brackets.

Women tend to have more options than men when they're older simply because men these days are weak. Weak for not being able to attract women and weak for not being able to take care of their own appearance. If you're looking at a 1:1 comparison where you take an equally attractive man and woman at the same age, it's still equal in my opinion. Men never really have the upper hand.

Almost no one on this forum talks about experiences when women are 45+. The typical, older women is far from invisible. It's common to see something like a 50 year old woman not generating much interest in the real world post a profile on a dating website or app and then get bombarded with messages from older men. There are plenty of 60-65 year old women today who have gotten on online dating and have generated more interest online than when they were attractive high school cheerleaders or college co-eds in the pre-internet 1970s/1980s when they were near their SMV peak.

if you're looking at who has the better chance of attracting their IDEAL partner - men win all the time. 40 year old men at his best will be able to attract an 18 year old easily. Look at Dicaprio. 40 year old woman will never be able to get her ideal man unless that man is a simp/beta.

The typical 40 year old man is not an elite level man. The typical 40 year old man has no options but to chase mediocre to subpar women close to his age.

The typical 40 year old woman's ideal man is not a beta or simp.

The typical 40 year old woman can generate a lot of interest. She'll probably have to use a swipe app in order to accomplish that, whereas a 20-25 year old woman can generate enough interest in the real world if she designs her life the right way.

Plenty of men in their 40s with decent white collar jobs and with above average incomes will attempt to seduce a 40 year old woman.

I hit my peak at 34 and have been riding it for 5 years now. But i hit the gym 4x a week, eat healthy, dress nice, have lots of disposable income, etc. and all the girls i date are at least 15 yrs younger than me. The problem with the SMV chart is most guys that age are losers but if youre a top tier guy then its pretty accurate that peak SMV is 35+.

This is not the common experience for men in the 35-44 age range. Even if they make above average salaries, it's usually not enough to get women substantially younger. Income/net worth need to be elite level to get 10+ years younger. The upper range of the middle of the bell curve isn't enough. A guy in the upper part of the middle of the bell curve isn't a "loser", but that type of guy will be relegated to dating women closer to his own age.

 

[SW15]

Or did you really think that college hottie who didn't guve you the time of day who's now reaching 30 found your personality and charisma better than looks and not that you're making money to settle down with you?

I have thought about women who went to college at the same time that I did. I think about some of the random hotties on campus that either barely acknowledged me or rejected me then.

None of them have ever made the effort to contact me post college. As we were both hitting age 30, there was no contact. As we've now reached age 40, still no contact.

I have wondered why that is. Perhaps it has to do with geography as I'm not living near my undergrad alma mater.

I would have enjoyed a scenario like you describe happening in my life.