Do men even care anymore?

[Divorced w 3]

Over time, career stuff has been the primary reason I've stayed in Dallas. There are a lot of job options in white collar in Dallas. It's difficult to replicate that somewhere else.

The next closest thing would be friends. There are some friendship relationships that would be difficult to repeat somewhere else at this point. My overall friendship relationships have declined in the past 6-7 years but some are still somewhat good.

I have put up notches in Dallas and had relationships. It is a market that does require you to step up big time.

I'm a small to medium sized fish in a big ocean in Dallas and that's a tough spot.



I had that happen to me in Phoenix and I left Phoenix because of it. The Phoenix experience has factored into why I haven't left Dallas. Dallas has overall been better than Phoenix was for me.



I have gotten feedback before that I am in the wrong market. I've gotten feedback that I would kill it in other markets. This is the first time I've specifically heard Salt Lake City. I have concerns about that market since I'm not a Mormon. There have been a lot of reports about non-Mormons struggling to date in Salt Lake City. I've read reports that Salt Lake City is less influenced by Mormon culture than it once was.

The key to making big money in Dallas is to get hooked into a California or New York based employer who will let you work in Dallas, preferably from an office so that there is stability on your end, and then you make big market money without the state income tax and the other quality of life benefits of Dallas.

 

[SW15]

The key to making big money in Dallas is to get hooked into a California or New York based employer who will let you work in Dallas, preferably from an office so that there is stability on your end, and then you make big market money without the state income tax and the other quality of life benefits of Dallas.

Working in a Dallas satellite office from a California/New York headquartered company can be something that's viable.

Many companies have Dallas headquarters. Dallas draws in a lot of transplants because of the many company headquarters here, including many of the biggest companies.

While costs of living in Dallas are lower than the Northeast and West Coast, Dallas is still somewhat expensive.

 

[Gamisch]

Nightlife venue approaching can be done alone. I have done it. It's less than ideal to do it alone.

In nightlife venues, most women are out in groups with other women. Having a wingman helps in dealing with groups.

In a lot of daygame settings, the woman is already isolated from her group of friends. There's far less of a need for a wingman in daygame settings. I have seen plenty of women on walking paths with a friend. A wingman could help there.

Something I learned about nightlife venue approaching later is that groups of 3 are better for approaching when solo as compared to groups of 2. If a solo man approaches a group of 2, one female will be left out and alone. The dynamics are less than ideal. Approaching 2 women can be done solo in nightlife venues, but it's not the best. However, a group of 3 is better. In a 3 set, a solo man can connect well with one woman and the other 2 women in the group can socialize. There's no awkward social exclusion.

I prefer to do non-bar approaching (daygame) because it is less reliant upon a wingman. Additionally, it doesn't require late nights in the same way that nightlife venue approaching will require them.

It's difficult for most men to exclusively be daygamer approachers. There are some people in pickup communities that promote the idea of doing one form of game solely and getting good at that. With daygamers, the big challenge is interacting with enough quantity of women. This is less of a problem for nightgamers and online guys.

I know.

But here we are ,grown man who claim to have game, mouthpiece "alpha male strategies", working on the LMS ect ect ect yet we are COMPLETELY dependent upon another man to achieve the (arguably)most important goal in life: getting p00sy.

I say this because I've noticed that your mentality will change depending on what you tell yourself. If you tell yourself that
- you are a lone wolf
- alphas hunt alone
- most of your conquests happened when you were solo
- women are individual corporations that have their individual motives even if they are in groups
-you dgaf about societal norms
-you got the skills to meet new people at any given moment and place

You suddenly might go out with another mindset. One that allows you to hold frame despite being by yourself.

Tbh this perfect wingman becomes another pipedream similar to finding a unicorn perfect woman. You might grow old and die without ever having had that perfect wingman.

Especially as we age the change of finding a perfect wingman becomes slimmer.

 

[SW15]

But here we are ,grown man who claim to have game, mouthpiece "alpha male strategies", working on the LMS ect ect ect yet we are COMPLETELY dependent upon another man to achieve the (arguably)most important goal in life: getting p00sy.

This was powerful. We do not want to be dependents.

I say this because I've noticed that your mentality will change depending on what you tell yourself. If you tell yourself that
- you are a lone wolf
- alphas hunt alone
- most of your conquests happened when you were solo
- women are individual corporations that have their individual motives even if they are in groups
-you dgaf about societal norms
-you got the skills to meet new people at any given moment and place

You suddenly might go out with another mindset. One that allows you to hold frame despite being by yourself.

This is the best mindset to have. I am a lone wolf in general (see avatar). I am primarily daygamer solo guy.

this perfect wingman becomes another pipedream similar to finding a unicorn perfect woman. You might grow old and die without ever having had that perfect wingman.

Especially as we age the change of finding a perfect wingman becomes slimmer.

I've never had a good wingman or had a social circle capable of providing me introductions. That's why I've been the lone wolf I put in my avatar.

If I never had a quality wingman in my 20s, what chance would I have for an awesome local wingman right now in my early 40s?

Solid point.

 

[Gamisch]

This was powerful. We do not want to be dependents.



This is the best mindset to have. I am a lone wolf in general (see avatar). I am primarily daygamer solo guy.



I've never had a good wingman or had a social circle capable of providing me introductions. That's why I've been the lone wolf I put in my avatar.

If I never had a quality wingman in my 20s, what chance would I have for an awesome local wingman right now in my early 40s?

Solid point.

Exactly!

I said this one before:
A good friend makes a bad wing man
But a good wingman is often a bad friend..

Women have one big advantage over us: their skills and abilities to socialize. Especially when it comes to events. BUT, when women get older they'll become more egotistical. They definitely gonna want ( the attention or more from) a fly dude who chases them.

A 35 y.o woman will always find another 35 y.o woman to go out with. For men in this age group or older this is more difficult. Another way how the cougar hype stays alive: because older woman will go out in groups like younger men do.

 

[Gamisch]

This was powerful. We do not want to be dependents.



This is the best mindset to have. I am a lone wolf in general (see avatar). I am primarily daygamer solo guy.



I've never had a good wingman or had a social circle capable of providing me introductions. That's why I've been the lone wolf I put in my avatar.

If I never had a quality wingman in my 20s, what chance would I have for an awesome local wingman right now in my early 40s?

Solid point.

That idealistic wingman or group of thise those happens when you are between 15 and let's say 25, stayed in the same city in the same hood, no beefs, nobody nuts , dude also works on his body and style ect.

And even if you would have an awesome wingman, it would be ALWAYS be temporary. Throw a man a piece of p00sy and you won't see him anymore..

I like to use this analogy: if I teach you how to box, it still be YOU throwing the punches. I understand that a motivator might have its merits . Yet you might have done it by yourself as well. Gotta be your own motivator /wingman/ critic/ shoulder to lean on.

Same with pua game. If you eventually find woman that likes you last thing you might need is a horny desperate wingman breathing down your neck.

Another advantage of this mindset: you are no longer limited to just night game. You'll be sharp like a knife at any given moment (aka every woman that opens up to your game 24/7 365). At night you might go out for to see if you cab catch some but you won't be completely dependent upon Saturday night's anymore. Less pressure.

 

[SW15]

Another advantage of this mindset: you are no longer limited to just night game. You'll be sharp like a knife at any given moment (aka every woman that opens up to your game 24/7 365). At night you might go out for to see if you cab catch some but you won't be completely dependent upon Saturday night's anymore. Less pressure.

I liked what I did in the early 2010s when I transitioned from a primarily night game guy to a primarily daygame guy.

A good friend makes a bad wing man
But a good wingman is often a bad friend..

There's truth in this.

I have gone out with my good friends at various times and they were all bad wings for various reasons.

I have had numerous quality friendships though.

A 35 y.o woman will always find another 35 y.o woman to go out with. For men in this age group or older this is more difficult. Another way how the cougar hype stays alive: because older woman will go out in groups like younger men do.

A lot of 35 year old women have mainly married friends / married friends with children. While it is more difficult for a 35 year old woman to have someone to go to bars with, they typically manage to find other 35 year old women to accompany them to a nightlife venue from time to time.

Women have one big advantage over us: their skills and abilities to socialize. Especially when it comes to events.

This is why your last quote above rang true.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

This is it. This is the entire reason why this thread was made in the first place. Because after several...let's say failed attempts THIS is where a man ends up.

You better be hella attractive to get away with this. I know many men who say the same but when they say it sound more like a homeless man saying he doesn't want to be a billionaire.

You HAVE to actually adore being around women in order to go that extra mile. If you won't even be on the radar.

I love being around feminine energy, but most women don't have feminine energy. I have actually considered of going the Michael Sartain route of making friends with them, with the caveat that they shouldn't expect me to pay for them or protect them, then sleeping with them incidentally whether it's once or just sporadic occasions.

I think part of my recent attitude shift is due to my incredibly low libido, however. Most of the time, even after I smash a girl, I just feel depressed after.