Do men even care anymore?

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

My point of view as a guy who has been active almost every night in the 2010s.

I'm now in my late 30s and while I cannot complain about opportunities (women in their 30s basically throw themselves at you if you are decent and stable), Im not putting much of an effort and here is why.

Most women in my age group 28/35 want A man not you or me so whoever qualifies in terms of life style is fine to them.

I get no validation, no mental satisfaction while Im required to attend places I dont like to attend which are generally social overcrowded places.

Sex happens and I dont recall the last time I had to ask for it but it's no where comparable to the spontaneous raw animalistic one from 10 yrs ago...the fact that I'm no longer a young guy myself clearly plays a part.
I'm sure some girl I dated initiated sex many times out of fear that I would have look for it somewhere else and not by desire.

Now given this situation I dont see it worth to actively looking for it or go to places or do stuff I wouldnt do otherwise.
A girl I meet at the gym and wants to go out and spend the evening together would get my attention while the same exact girl that would "plan a date" for saturday where I have to wine and dine her in some restaurant would get a "I have a girlfriend" answer.

At this point I totally understand those guys that hit massage parlours or escorts which I wouldnt even consider in my 20s or early 30s.
Those women have a high bodycount, are after the life style/resources and require from you more than theiy required from others...it's not any different than a long term negotiation.

 

[Gamisch]

My point of view as a guy who has been active almost every night in the 2010s.

I'm now in my late 30s and while I cannot complain about opportunities (women in their 30s basically throw themselves at you if you are decent and stable), Im not putting much of an effort and here is why.

Most women in my age group 28/35 want A man not you or me so whoever qualifies in terms of life style is fine to them.

I get no validation, no mental satisfaction while Im required to attend places I dont like to attend which are generally social overcrowded places.

Sex happens and I dont recall the last time I had to ask for it but it's no where comparable to the spontaneous raw animalistic one from 10 yrs ago...the fact that I'm no longer a young guy myself clearly plays a part.
I'm sure some girl I dated initiated sex many times out of fear that I would have look for it somewhere else and not by desire.

Now given this situation I dont see it worth to actively looking for it or go to places or do stuff I wouldnt do otherwise.
A girl I meet at the gym and wants to go out and spend the evening together would get my attention while the same exact girl that would "plan a date" for saturday where I have to wine and dine her in some restaurant would get a "I have a girlfriend" answer.

At this point I totally understand those guys that hit massage parlours or escorts which I wouldnt even consider in my 20s or early 30s.
Those women have a high bodycount, are after the life style/resources and require from you more than theiy required from others...it's not any different than a long term negotiation.

I do however think that prostitution can (hardly ever) /never replace that raw attraction you described.

There's a threshold you have to cross , I'd say the more you pay the bigger your chances that the woman will ACT better and provide you a great experience. If you take her lowest offer she will treat you accordingly.

I also believe that it messes with your Karma/ self image. You can visit hookers all year long and learn absolutely nothing about actual game.

The biggest players I've known always did both. They were both approaching women and would sleep with hookers. Needless to say they also had tons of issues, but they had less problems with putting themselves out there and taking risks. Risks that lead to getting women.

 

[Solomon]

My point of view as a guy who has been active almost every night in the 2010s.

I'm now in my late 30s and while I cannot complain about opportunities (women in their 30s basically throw themselves at you if you are decent and stable), Im not putting much of an effort and here is why.

Most women in my age group 28/35 want A man not you or me so whoever qualifies in terms of life style is fine to them.

I get no validation, no mental satisfaction while Im required to attend places I dont like to attend which are generally social overcrowded places.

Sex happens and I dont recall the last time I had to ask for it but it's no where comparable to the spontaneous raw animalistic one from 10 yrs ago...the fact that I'm no longer a young guy myself clearly plays a part.
I'm sure some girl I dated initiated sex many times out of fear that I would have look for it somewhere else and not by desire.

Now given this situation I dont see it worth to actively looking for it or go to places or do stuff I wouldnt do otherwise.
A girl I meet at the gym and wants to go out and spend the evening together would get my attention while the same exact girl that would "plan a date" for saturday where I have to wine and dine her in some restaurant would get a "I have a girlfriend" answer.

At this point I totally understand those guys that hit massage parlours or escorts which I wouldnt even consider in my 20s or early 30s.
Those women have a high bodycount, are after the life style/resources and require from you more than theiy required from others...it's not any different than a long term negotiation.

What you're saying is fine and dandy because you put in the work, but a lot of these kids ain't putting in the work and have no ambition whatsoever. It's truly scary. What women wants to lay up with a bum who just wants to smoke weed and play video games all day? I'm speaking in general obviously but there are lot of lazy young men who don't wanna work and this has been talked about a lot recently, to the point that people don't even wanna hire Gen-Z kids

This doesn't just go for men but women as well, the amount of women I have seen in Gen-Z who are severly overweight and look middle aged in their early 20s is scary. People(men and women) have become lazy, entitled, and proud and expect the bes tbut don't wanna put in the work and when it comes to men this generation wants women to accept them as they are. Once again what women wants to lay up with a bith a bum? even if he's "nice"

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I do however think that prostitution can (hardly ever) /never replace that raw attraction you described.

There's a threshold you have to cross , I'd say the more you pay the bigger your chances that the woman will ACT better and provide you a great experience. If you take her lowest offer she will treat you accordingly.

I also believe that it messes with your Karma/ self image. You can visit hookers all year long and learn absolutely nothing about actual game.

The biggest players I've known always did both. They were both approaching women and would sleep with hookers. Needless to say they also had tons of issues, but they had less problems with putting themselves out there and taking risks. Risks that lead to getting women.

Escorts for sure CANNOT replace the genuine satisfaction coming from a personal/sexual relationship that exists out of mutual attraction and desire.

The thing is that after a certain age which I estimante early 30s for a man, it becomes difficult to find (and be able yourself) to reproduce the conditions you had in your late teens and 20s.

What I meant to say is that the best you can get are women willing to have sex with you but only as long as you provide a certain life style and effort input, it's not any different than long term prostitution even tough better framed.

I'm in great shape not only for my age but in general, solid economical position and plenty of life experiences yet anytime I engage with a woman, the question I get within 30 seconds of interaction is "what do you do as a living" and other questions needed to gauge what I can provide.

In my 20s dealing with girls my age, I had sex the same night with girls just met without even being asked what my family name was and trust me they were much more attractive despite they had cheap clothes, no make up and no "career".

What you're saying is fine and dandy because you put in the work, but a lot of these kids ain't putting in the work and have no ambition whatsoever. It's truly scary. What women wants to lay up with a bum who just wants to smoke weed and play video games all day? I'm speaking in general obviously but there are lot of lazy young men who don't wanna work and this has been talked about a lot recently, to the point that people don't even wanna hire Gen-Z kids

This doesn't just go for men but women as well, the amount of women I have seen in Gen-Z who are severly overweight and look middle aged in their early 20s is scary. People(men and women) have become lazy, entitled, and proud and expect the bes tbut don't wanna put in the work and when it comes to men this generation wants women to accept them as they are. Once again what women wants to lay up with a bith a bum? even if he's "nice"

Putting the work to self improvement or potential reaching is something mandatory for those who want to have a satisfactory life, that goes beyong women which in fact are a byproduct of success and not the goal to reach.

I cannot really talk about guys in their 20s now cause I'm not one of them and I realize the world changed a lot from my 20s but if such a high % of them decided to drop, it has to be for a reason and not some random reason that could at most involved 5% of a group.

Sometimes we call "lazyness" the simplce cost/benefit calculation that some people do wheter it's for a job or a relationship.

 

[Gamisch]

Escorts for sure CANNOT replace the genuine satisfaction coming from a personal/sexual relationship that exists out of mutual attraction and desire.

The thing is that after a certain age which I estimante early 30s for a man, it becomes difficult to find (and be able yourself) to reproduce the conditions you had in your late teens and 20s.

What I meant to say is that the best you can get are women willing to have sex with you but only as long as you provide a certain life style and effort input, it's not any different than long term prostitution even tough better framed.

I'm in great shape not only for my age but in general, solid economical position and plenty of life experiences yet anytime I engage with a woman, the question I get within 30 seconds of interaction is "what do you do as a living" and other questions needed to gauge what I can provide.

In my 20s dealing with girls my age, I had sex the same night with girls just met without even being asked what my family name was and trust me they were much more attractive despite they had cheap clothes, no make up and no "career".




Putting the work to self improvement or potential reaching is something mandatory for those who want to have a satisfactory life, that goes beyong women which in fact are a byproduct of success and not the goal to reach.

I cannot really talk about guys in their 20s now cause I'm not one of them and I realize the world changed a lot from my 20s but if such a high % of them decided to drop, it has to be for a reason and not some random reason that could at most involved 5% of a group.

Sometimes we call "lazyness" the simplce cost/benefit calculation that some people do wheter it's for a job or a relationship.

I feel you.

We also can't underestimate that 15 years ago the world was a different place. It's impossible to tell if the 20 year old version of you/me /him would actually be more successful than the 35 year old version in that same era.. it's like comparing Mohammed Ali with Mike Tyson. Yes, you mightve looked better. But you were financially/mentally less sound. Ect ect.

I disagree that eventually the cost/benefits are the same. Coach Greg Adams ( who's show I love) preaches the same and I firmly disagree with that statement. In my country prostitution is legal and I can tell you that a woman who REALLY wants you isn't in the same stratosphere as paying for a woman who views you as a trick by default.

A hooker also doesn't count as a notch.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I feel you.

I disagree that eventually the cost/benefits are the same. Coach Greg Adams ( who's show I love) preaches the same and I firmly disagree with that statement. In my country prostitution is legal and I can tell you that a woman who REALLY wants you isn't in the same stratosphere as paying for a woman who views you as a trick by default.

Thats the point, I agree with that but I simply make it clear that older women and older men cannot generally reproduce that genuine attraction and desire which is common in our late teens and 20s.

 

[pipeman84]

In my country prostitution is legal and I can tell you that a woman who REALLY wants you isn't in the same stratosphere as paying for a woman who views you as a trick by default.

Unless she's a ~20yrs old virgin, it's quite hard to argue that she REALLY wants you, and you're not just an interchangeable mix of ATM and baggage drop point for her.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Unless she's a ~20yrs old virgin, it's quite hard to argue that she REALLY wants you, and you're not just an interchangeable mix of ATM and baggage drop point for her.

Agree on that plus many women that get into a serious relationship basically feel like they are allowed to take full control of the man..even if he gets exhausted doing stuff for her and finally sits down on the sofa to zone out mentally and rest physically, within few minutes she will reach to push for other activities (none of which is at his benefit) wheter it's going somewhere or him doing something.

Basically any time that man is not working for something she values, she sees it as a potential loss of value to obtain.

Such things are very rare in their 20s.