Do good looking guys have it easier or harder.

[iqqi]

I think Potato has made his mark, lol.

Everyone remember to give him his rep points.

 

[Falcon]

The whole claiming understanding of women from evolution/biology/psychology is BS pure and simple. They are little more than charlatans making money off of the unfortunate. I’ve seen a video of David DeAngelo giving one of his seminars. All I could think was that there was a reason that those men had such a hard time attracting women. It’s nature’s way of cleansing the gene pool. To think that any of those guys would one day be out getting what ever hot woman they wanted was enough to send me rolling on the ground laughing.

THANK YOU

It's a tough battle here though, the social darwinism stuff runs rampant. The group think that has occurred makes it hard to expose.

 

[L777]

Oh yea, like you’re hurting my feelings or something. You and L777 take this stuff way too seriously. Do you go to a comedy club and brood?

My response to the OP was 100% honest. There was no intention at all to impress - just to illustrate the misconception of the OP. If it bothers you, then that’s your problem, not mine.

I began posting on this site in response to Rollo and a few of his minions invading other sites with his long winded nonsense like they were going to somehow enlighten everyone. It’s not like it was difficult to trace it all back to here and to Rollo’s personal site.

I find it rather amusing that guys, who are so frustrated at their inability to attract women that they exhibit misogynist characteristics, think that by following a few guidelines, pick up a few tricks, they will transform into babe magnets is amusing beyond belief. David DeAngelo, Mystery, Rollo, and all the rest really don’t know nearly as much about women as they claim.

The whole claiming understanding of women from evolution/biology/psychology is BS pure and simple. They are little more than charlatans making money off of the unfortunate. I’ve seen a video of David DeAngelo giving one of his seminars. All I could think was that there was a reason that those men had such a hard time attracting women. It’s nature’s way of cleansing the gene pool. To think that any of those guys would one day be out getting what ever hot woman they wanted was enough to send me rolling on the ground laughing.

You must know that the whole PUA thing was developed to pick up women who are at bars/clubs, who are drinking and somewhat hoping that they’ll meet a guy.
The whole idea is to get them home and nail them before they sober up. Not exactly an honorable way to get women. Most flake, I’m sure, because they do sober up.

The whole Don Juan thing is also rather amusing. The original was a despicable character. He was a psychopath who deceived everyone around him; he essentially raped women, and even murdered a man. At the end of the story he was drug down to hell. And many of you want to be a Don Juan. I’m not impressed at all. Ironically, translated into English, Don Juan becomes Sir John, the name of the man who first devised a flushing toilet.

It may surprise some of you but the vast majority of couples come together in a way that absolutely ignores everything you’ll ever learn in Double Your Dating, the Mystery Method, Spinning plates, and every other, how to get women bit.

As is alluded to in the If You Don't Attract Beautiful Woman Something Is Very Very Wrong thread, what attracts women to men and men to women is something that really can’t be shown or even necessarily learnt. It’s like there is just something in the air that draws you together. It’s actually a chemical response that requires a back and forth action. In every case, with every girlfriend I’ve ever had, there was an initial attraction that was immediate and very mutual. Almost as if by magic, with every one of them we were/are highly compatible in a wide range of areas.

No game required, only the ability to exude and receive the appropriate chemicals.

The 'my god' joke was juvenile to say the least. And you're 48.

Seriously though man, I don't get it. You're middle aged bordering on 'old', yet you come to a website thats designed to help guys who aren't naturally good with women, and the only thing you ever say is basically, "I'm really, really, really good looking, and if you're not then you won't be able to attract hot women."

I just don't see why anyone - particluarly someone as old as you would do this. Maybe an especially coc.ky and insecure youngster, but you are FORTY-EIGHT.

Seriously man, I severely doubt that you're as good looking as you claim (picture?). If you are then I still pity your insecurity and the need you feel to put other people down/big yourself up. Also the fact that you're still playing the field at 48 is quite sad as well imo, but whatever floats your boat.

Oh and with regards to pick up not working....here's a personal statistic. Number of girls I slept with before this site: one...number of girls slept with after coming here: twenty-one, and I've had as many other 'third bases' and what not.

And one last example to completely kill off your ridiculous arguement: go to www.theworthyplayboy.com and research Johnny Soporno. This guy is overweight, balding and very average looking, yet he's slept with several thousand women, yes thats thousand, and his current g/f is a pornstar, and I'd bet good money as least as hot as any of the women you hooked up with.

Times are a-changing...its not all about genetics any more. Either stop propagating this crap or just leave altogether. Your posts are useless, witless and serve no useful purpose. Have a nice day grandad.

 

[ketostix]

Excellent post. A rare occurrence indeed on these forums.

What many fail to understand is that attraction is purely biologically determined and motivated by Darwinian pressures.

This isn't true. Attraction for females is motivated by a lot of things. How both people, the guy and the gir,l are socially developed and nurtured, the predominant views of the society etc. It's never just about looks or appearance. You could take the best guy with potential and in the wrong situations, he would have little chance. You can take a guy who doesn't have a chance and make him rich and famous and he'll have more women than he could ever deal with. I say appearance is a necessary foundation and a highly important part of attraction with all other things being equal for average men of average welth and fame. Women may prefer certain types of looks in a man but women DO NOT choose the men with best genes.

Some understand this and knows they were given the right geno/phenotypes to attract the best women, and I guess some will live in perpetual denial because deep down they know they don't have what it takes.

This is true for some people, but it's not just about inherited traits.

We're not all made from the same wood.

Which would persume that some people are a better fit for another person.

If you think back you realized our Grandparents and great Grandparents knew those things, but somewhere along the way, thanks to political correctness that knowledge was lost. And along came the gurus...

I don't know what you're trying to say here. What really happened is women took control of wealth and forced a pro-female agenda on society and men are at such a disadvantage that they had to work hard to get a resonable deal and then came the gurus.

Oh yeah and appearence or look or phenotype or physiology or whatever you want to call it, matters lol

It matters more for a woman to have a good phenotype or physiology. Women are looking at a lot of subjective qualities in men. You being such a fan of Darwinism, you should know that for a human male to make it through maturity he has to have fairly decent genetics.

 

[GloriouslyInsane]

Good looking / rich etc people who start with an advantage lack in discipline and willpower.I have yet to meet one of those people that is not a weak character.Good looking guys may have more chances but they do not create them thus losing all the fun of the game

 

[Poonani Maker]

True, gloriouslyinsane. Me personally, because I've had to fight all my life, if I had the money to go with my fortitude, I'd be unstoppable. I'm on the brink of getting the money. When that happens, watch out women! I will be plowing like a mad-dog then. Struggle creates good looks and good looks is confidence.

 

[AFC Savior]

any thread with the word "looks" in it in any form should be locked, shouldnt it??

why the hell would u losers keep talking about looks SO DAMN MUCH

its a god given fact that the better looking you are, the better chances you have of getting hotter/better women

k?

its that simple

 

[ketostix]

any thread with the word "looks" in it in any form should be locked, shouldnt it??

why the hell would u losers keep talking about looks SO DAMN MUCH

its a god given fact that the better looking you are, the better chances you have of getting hotter/better women

k?

its that simple

Well I don't think it's that simple or "looks" threads should be locked. There's quite a bit you can do to improve your appearance, with your hairstyle , clothing, staying in shape, getting a tan. Also a lot of your game or personality and confidence is conveyed through appearance, by your body language, facial expressions etc.

 

[Mad Manic]

The problem with what potato is saying is that yes, there is chemical attraction at the start (looks, body language, eye contact, basically 'appearance') but you can't just have that to get a girl. You're still going to need to talk to her and do the right things. You'll still need to get to 'know eachother' (build comfort) and make all the moves for sex to happen without her feeling like a slut or conscious of her friends opinions ('seduction'). It's not just about chemical attraction. Attraction can be killed if you say the wrong things and indeed it can be a waste if you can't lead the interaction. This 'chemical feeling' is what this girl feels when she sees a hot ripped guy in a tank top or some tall good looking guy, it's not a unique thing. When a girl has lots of options like many do then she will feel attraction to many guys but very few, if any infact, sex her. That's why the game was invented. If it was as simple as attraction = sex then most men would get laid to some degree anyway.

MM

 

[potato]

The 'my god' joke was juvenile to say the least. And you're 48.

Seriously though man, I don't get it. You're middle aged bordering on 'old', yet you come to a website thats designed to help guys who aren't naturally good with women, and the only thing you ever say is basically, "I'm really, really, really good looking, and if you're not then you won't be able to attract hot women."

I just don't see why anyone - particluarly someone as old as you would do this. Maybe an especially coc.ky and insecure youngster, but you are FORTY-EIGHT.

Seriously man, I severely doubt that you're as good looking as you claim (picture?). If you are then I still pity your insecurity and the need you feel to put other people down/big yourself up. Also the fact that you're still playing the field at 48 is quite sad as well imo, but whatever floats your boat.

Oh and with regards to pick up not working....here's a personal statistic. Number of girls I slept with before this site: one...number of girls slept with after coming here: twenty-one, and I've had as many other 'third bases' and what not.

And one last example to completely kill off your ridiculous arguement: go to www.theworthyplayboy.com and research Johnny Soporno. This guy is overweight, balding and very average looking, yet he's slept with several thousand women, yes thats thousand, and his current g/f is a pornstar, and I'd bet good money as least as hot as any of the women you hooked up with.

Times are a-changing...its not all about genetics any more. Either stop propagating this crap or just leave altogether. Your posts are useless, witless and serve no useful purpose. Have a nice day grandad.

You are attempting to present an argument that is bound to fail. You condemn me for my age yet you turn around and express your reverence for a man who is nearly my age. Makes me wonder that if I put up a web site with a product to sell and pictures of myself sitting around with a few women, that your opinion of me would reverse.

You complain that I’m insecure and have to make my self look big and all that crap, but isn’t it you that feels the need to brag about the number of women he’s banged. I certainly haven’t done that. Yet you and your hero Johnny seem to have the need to do so.

I’ve actually conversed with Johnny Soprano, I’ve seen his web site, and I’m not at all impressed. In this underworld of sex, drugs, rock-n-roll, and deviant art of where I exist, I run into people like Johnny all the time. He doesn’t exactly buy the women, but he sets up court at hot spots around town, throws around a lot of money, and makes frequent references to his hot tub, his beach house, his yacht… He’ll throw out invitations to his almost weekly parties and all kinds of young somewhat good looking women show up. Not for the host but for everything that he can offer. Hang out in all these luxurious exotic places, easy access to alcohol and drugs, meet famous people. At many of these parties there will be girls in attendance who are literally paid to be there, to be friendly, to liven up the party, and what ever else.

It only works because there are thousands upon thousands of women out there who have no real marketable skills beyond the fact that they are young, somewhat attractive women. Its like many have the choice between living on the edge of poverty or making a few thousand a month partying, stripping a couple of times a week, maybe a porn movie ever now and then, possibly working as an extra in a legitimate movie, being an escort when the conventions are in town, and even prostitution. So you say he’s had sex with thousands; if that’s how he wants to spend his money, whatever. And you’re so in awe that he has a porn star girlfriend. You do realize that porn stars will literally have sex with anyone, and in some cases; anything. A real class act.

So L777 tell me about your 19 conquests. I’ll bet they’re real quality women aren’t they. Nice loving relationships. I’m sure they bring you cookies, put the sweetest little love notes in your pockets after they wash your clothes. They’re always scurrying around all excited telling all their friends about the wonderful man they’ve found, hanging on your arm so proudly.

So let’s cut the crap, you had sex with same 19 drunken sluts that you picked up at the bar that every other guy that goes in there has sex with. Half of them want nothing more to do with you and the other half barely remember you. You’ll keep it up thinking that you’re the man until you hit about 26-27 and suddenly realize that you just can’t get the girls like you used to. You’ll be banging your head against the wall never quite realizing that the women are rejecting you because they’ve matured but you’re still playing video games, telling fart jokes with your buds, smashing beer cans against your forehead, and trying to pick up women with the same tired corny lines.

Then sometime in your early 30’s you’ll marry some woman and her two children from two different dead beat dads and you’ll be happy because, well, it sure beats jacking off every night. But it doesn’t matter because she just married you for your paycheck anyway and will soon tire of sex which will be okay by you because erectile dysfunction will have set in.

So, as your sitting there in your chair, sipping your beer, watching reruns with kids running around and your wife *****ing about the trash not being taken out. Possibly somewhere in your thoughts you’ll start to see that that guy potato was right. All that Don Juan/PUA stuff was a bunch of crap and that to strive to be a quality man of substance, to truly love women, and to develop and maintain lasting loving relationships with women is the better way to go. But probably not, you’ll just sit back and reminisce about those 19 drunken sluts you banged when you were 21.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Good looking guy has it easier with women.

Gunwitch knows all about it, ...

Two things:

1. Have you ever seen Gunwitch?
2. He admits that looks doesn't matter as much as you think.

 

[stuka1939]

This is a dumb and illogical question.

Good looking guys DO NOT have it harder than average looking guys. The only thing I might agree with on your seven points is being labeled "a player".

The closer a man is to the ideal 6'2" and the more facial balance and symmetry his face has, the more options and opportunities he will have. Of course, some women do not like men who have gorgeous model faces, but most do.

I think your theory is actually more true in regards to extremely good looking women.

Extremely good looking women (the 9's and 10's) just get stared at all of the time, but rarely get approached (because men are too intimidated) and alot are probably lonely. Ironically, the 6's,7's,8's are getting hit on alot more than the 9's and 10's because most men are confident they can land these girls.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

My god you're full of yourself.

Why you on this site if you have it so easy mate? Oh thats right....your full of s.hit.

Perhaps BS to most guys but he's saying pretty much the same thing that I've been saying. Just because it's not true in one guys reality it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist elsewhere.

 

[L777]

You are attempting to present an argument that is bound to fail. You condemn me for my age yet you turn around and express your reverence for a man who is nearly my age. Makes me wonder that if I put up a web site with a product to sell and pictures of myself sitting around with a few women, that your opinion of me would reverse.

You complain that I’m insecure and have to make my self look big and all that crap, but isn’t it you that feels the need to brag about the number of women he’s banged. I certainly haven’t done that. Yet you and your hero Johnny seem to have the need to do so.

I’ve actually conversed with Johnny Soprano, I’ve seen his web site, and I’m not at all impressed. In this underworld of sex, drugs, rock-n-roll, and deviant art of where I exist, I run into people like Johnny all the time. He doesn’t exactly buy the women, but he sets up court at hot spots around town, throws around a lot of money, and makes frequent references to his hot tub, his beach house, his yacht… He’ll throw out invitations to his almost weekly parties and all kinds of young somewhat good looking women show up. Not for the host but for everything that he can offer. Hang out in all these luxurious exotic places, easy access to alcohol and drugs, meet famous people. At many of these parties there will be girls in attendance who are literally paid to be there, to be friendly, to liven up the party, and what ever else.

It only works because there are thousands upon thousands of women out there who have no real marketable skills beyond the fact that they are young, somewhat attractive women. Its like many have the choice between living on the edge of poverty or making a few thousand a month partying, stripping a couple of times a week, maybe a porn movie ever now and then, possibly working as an extra in a legitimate movie, being an escort when the conventions are in town, and even prostitution. So you say he’s had sex with thousands; if that’s how he wants to spend his money, whatever. And you’re so in awe that he has a porn star girlfriend. You do realize that porn stars will literally have sex with anyone, and in some cases; anything. A real class act.

So L777 tell me about your 19 conquests. I’ll bet they’re real quality women aren’t they. Nice loving relationships. I’m sure they bring you cookies, put the sweetest little love notes in your pockets after they wash your clothes. They’re always scurrying around all excited telling all their friends about the wonderful man they’ve found, hanging on your arm so proudly.

So let’s cut the crap, you had sex with same 19 drunken sluts that you picked up at the bar that every other guy that goes in there has sex with. Half of them want nothing more to do with you and the other half barely remember you. You’ll keep it up thinking that you’re the man until you hit about 26-27 and suddenly realize that you just can’t get the girls like you used to. You’ll be banging your head against the wall never quite realizing that the women are rejecting you because they’ve matured but you’re still playing video games, telling fart jokes with your buds, smashing beer cans against your forehead, and trying to pick up women with the same tired corny lines.

Then sometime in your early 30’s you’ll marry some woman and her two children from two different dead beat dads and you’ll be happy because, well, it sure beats jacking off every night. But it doesn’t matter because she just married you for your paycheck anyway and will soon tire of sex which will be okay by you because erectile dysfunction will have set in.

So, as your sitting there in your chair, sipping your beer, watching reruns with kids running around and your wife *****ing about the trash not being taken out. Possibly somewhere in your thoughts you’ll start to see that that guy potato was right. All that Don Juan/PUA stuff was a bunch of crap and that to strive to be a quality man of substance, to truly love women, and to develop and maintain lasting loving relationships with women is the better way to go. But probably not, you’ll just sit back and reminisce about those 19 drunken sluts you banged when you were 21.

The number's 21 actually, and I'm 20.

It's kinda funny to see that I can get such rise out of someone your age; I can see that beautiful personality you speak of shining through your words.

Lol. Plus you don't write nearly as well as you think you do. You sounded reasonably intellingent in the first line, even though your arguement is redundant - I was criticising for the way you act and the crap you propagate at your age, not your age itself - but when you started talking badly of a man so highly respected by literally every prominent member of the PU community my interest waned, and by the time I read,

"But it doesn’t matter because she just married you for your paycheck anyway and will soon tire of sex which will be okay by you because erectile dysfunction will have set in"

I stopped reading altogether. I grew out of that in my teens...you're almost fifty!!

 

[ketostix]

OK Potato I agreed mostly with everything you said until I got to this (or at least not so much that I disagreed with it too but you offer no alternative way to accomplish it):

that to strive to be a quality man of substance, to truly love women, and to develop and maintain lasting loving relationships with women is the better way to go. But probably not, you’ll just sit back and reminisce about those 19 drunken sluts you banged when you were 21.

Most or at least many guys were doing that before they learned and resorted to DJ/PUA tactics and still do have that goal, i.e., of a lasting, loving relationship with a great girl. But all they got was LJBF and played like the proverbial "AFC".

Now don't say the solution is they have to be better looking and don't say that some PUA/DJ stuff doesn't get results either. Men are just giving women what they want and respond to.

 

[aliasguy]

L777 wrote:

"The number's 21 actually."

19, 21 --- whatever.

HAHA!!!!!!!!!!


I think you oughta back off, L777.

Read more, type less.

(I'm probably gonna need to do the same.)

 

[potato]

The problem with what potato is saying is that yes, there is chemical attraction at the start (looks, body language, eye contact, basically 'appearance') but you can't just have that to get a girl. You're still going to need to talk to her and do the right things. You'll still need to get to 'know eachother' (build comfort) and make all the moves for sex to happen without her feeling like a slut or conscious of her friends opinions ('seduction'). It's not just about chemical attraction. Attraction can be killed if you say the wrong things and indeed it can be a waste if you can't lead the interaction. This 'chemical feeling' is what this girl feels when she sees a hot ripped guy in a tank top or some tall good looking guy, it's not a unique thing. When a girl has lots of options like many do then she will feel attraction to many guys but very few, if any infact, sex her. That's why the game was invented. If it was as simple as attraction = sex then most men would get laid to some degree anyway.

MM

Don’t most men get laid anyway?

I hang out with a lot of different women, some very pretty, but only rarely, maybe once or twice a year do I meet one that actually makes me feel something inside and in every case the woman is equally attracted. Also, in every case the comfort is built into the attraction. I’ve never gamed a woman, ever. It is always we meet, we feel something, look each other in the eyes, and there is this sense as if we already know each other. It proceeds from there. I say that it is highly selective because I’ve never felt the sensation with a woman with whom I wasn’t highly compatible.

I remember when my brother and his wife met. I was at this party and there was this girl sitting on this couch directly across form me with who I assumed was her boyfriend as they had arrived together. My brother arrived rather late and when he entered the house, he took one look at that girl and proceeded directly towards her and squeezed in on the couch next to her. They immediately began to talk as if they already knew each other, which I thought maybe they did, even though this was the first time they had ever met. I was right there and he was not gaming her at all, just normal conversation. Before long he got up and announced that he was leaving and as he walked out the door, she followed him leaving her date behind. This past summer they celebrated their 25th wedding anniversary.

If I remember correctly, I once saw Hillary Clinton on television telling how her and Bill first met. She said that they were in the college library, I think it was, and they kept looking at each other. Eventually she approached him and said, “If we’re going to keep looking at each other we might as well introduce ourselves.”

With the mother of my children, I had lent my car to a friend of mine and when she returned it, she had two other women with her. Immediately upon seeing her (the mother of my children) I felt that sensation as we looked into each other’s eyes. She spoke first asking, “You like me, don’t you?” When I replied that I did, shortly we began kissing.

With my current girlfriend, when I first saw her I had that sensation, like I already knew her. She was with a group of people but once she caught sight of me she left her friends and started towards me and we met somewhere in the middle. We hugged before we even spoke.

There is this other woman who I still hook up with ever so often. When I first saw her I felt that sensation and knew that if we were to meet that a relationship would quickly develop. But I was already involved with too many women and thought it best not to add any more complexity to my life. So I avoided her, for several weeks, which turned out to be rather difficult as I kept seeing her around all the time. Then one day I was at this party and absolutely not expecting to see her there. I had just come out of the bathroom and was pushing my way through the very crowded room when bam, I ran right into her. There was this moment of awkward silence when she went, “you” rather excitedly and reached up, grabbed me by the hair, (I have long hair, like Tom Petty’s) and pulled my head down to her until our foreheads were touching looking directly into each others eyes.

The only thing that I can agree with David DeAngelo on is that attraction is not a choice. I would add that neither is love.

 

[ketostix]

Don’t most men get laid anyway?

I hang out with a lot of different women, some very pretty, but only rarely, maybe once or twice a year do I meet one that actually makes me feel something inside and in every case the woman is equally attracted. Also, in every case the comfort is built into the attraction. I’ve never gamed a woman, ever. It is always we meet, we feel something, look each other in the eyes, and there is this sense as if we already know each other. It proceeds from there. I say that it is highly selective because I’ve never felt the sensation with a woman with whom I wasn’t highly compatible.

I remember when my brother and his wife met. I was at this party and there was this girl sitting on this couch directly across form me with who I assumed was her boyfriend as they had arrived together. My brother arrived rather late and when he entered the house, he took one look at that girl and proceeded directly towards her and squeezed in on the couch next to her. They immediately began to talk as if they already knew each other, which I thought maybe they did, even though this was the first time they had ever met. I was right there and he was not gaming her at all, just normal conversation. Before long he got up and announced that he was leaving and as he walked out the door, she followed him leaving her date behind. This past summer they celebrated their 25th wedding anniversary.

If I remember correctly, I once saw Hillary Clinton on television telling how her and Bill first met. She said that they were in the college library, I think it was, and they kept looking at each other. Eventually she approached him and said, “If we’re going to keep looking at each other we might as well introduce ourselves.”

With the mother of my children, I had lent my car to a friend of mine and when she returned it, she had two other women with her. Immediately upon seeing her (the mother of my children) I felt that sensation as we looked into each other’s eyes. She spoke first asking, “You like me, don’t you?” When I replied that I did, shortly we began kissing.

With my current girlfriend, when I first saw her I had that sensation, like I already knew her. She was with a group of people but once she caught sight of me she left her friends and started towards me and we met somewhere in the middle. We hugged before we even spoke.

There is this other woman who I still hook up with ever so often. When I first saw her I felt that sensation and knew that if we were to meet that a relationship would quickly develop. But I was already involved with too many women and thought it best not to add any more complexity to my life. So I avoided her, for several weeks, which turned out to be rather difficult as I kept seeing her around all the time. Then one day I was at this party and absolutely not expecting to see her there. I had just come out of the bathroom and was pushing my way through the very crowded room when bam, I ran right into her. There was this moment of awkward silence when she went, “you” rather excitedly and reached up, grabbed me by the hair, (I have long hair, like Tom Petty’s) and pulled my head down to her until our foreheads were touching looking directly into each others eyes.

The only thing that I can agree with David DeAngelo on is that attraction is not a choice. I would add that neither is love.

Well even if your synopsis of your dating experience is true, not saying it is or isn't, just going with it, it's not the experience of most guys. Sure women will be attracted to a guy from appearance, but it doesn't just suddenly become an instant romance and a relationship a certain thing from first sight.

 

[L777]

Don’t most men get laid anyway?

I hang out with a lot of different women, some very pretty, but only rarely, maybe once or twice a year do I meet one that actually makes me feel something inside and in every case the woman is equally attracted. Also, in every case the comfort is built into the attraction. I’ve never gamed a woman, ever. It is always we meet, we feel something, look each other in the eyes, and there is this sense as if we already know each other. It proceeds from there. I say that it is highly selective because I’ve never felt the sensation with a woman with whom I wasn’t highly compatible.

I remember when my brother and his wife met. I was at this party and there was this girl sitting on this couch directly across form me with who I assumed was her boyfriend as they had arrived together. My brother arrived rather late and when he entered the house, he took one look at that girl and proceeded directly towards her and squeezed in on the couch next to her. They immediately began to talk as if they already knew each other, which I thought maybe they did, even though this was the first time they had ever met. I was right there and he was not gaming her at all, just normal conversation. Before long he got up and announced that he was leaving and as he walked out the door, she followed him leaving her date behind. This past summer they celebrated their 25th wedding anniversary.

If I remember correctly, I once saw Hillary Clinton on television telling how her and Bill first met. She said that they were in the college library, I think it was, and they kept looking at each other. Eventually she approached him and said, “If we’re going to keep looking at each other we might as well introduce ourselves.”

With the mother of my children, I had lent my car to a friend of mine and when she returned it, she had two other women with her. Immediately upon seeing her (the mother of my children) I felt that sensation as we looked into each other’s eyes. She spoke first asking, “You like me, don’t you?” When I replied that I did, shortly we began kissing.

With my current girlfriend, when I first saw her I had that sensation, like I already knew her. She was with a group of people but once she caught sight of me she left her friends and started towards me and we met somewhere in the middle. We hugged before we even spoke.

There is this other woman who I still hook up with ever so often. When I first saw her I felt that sensation and knew that if we were to meet that a relationship would quickly develop. But I was already involved with too many women and thought it best not to add any more complexity to my life. So I avoided her, for several weeks, which turned out to be rather difficult as I kept seeing her around all the time. Then one day I was at this party and absolutely not expecting to see her there. I had just come out of the bathroom and was pushing my way through the very crowded room when bam, I ran right into her. There was this moment of awkward silence when she went, “you” rather excitedly and reached up, grabbed me by the hair, (I have long hair, like Tom Petty’s) and pulled my head down to her until our foreheads were touching looking directly into each others eyes.

The only thing that I can agree with David DeAngelo on is that attraction is not a choice. I would add that neither is love.

OK considering you pretty much digressed from the matter in hand and the points I was raising, I'm going to conclude that you have no feasible comeback or counter-arguement. I hate to lower the tone, but I'm 28 years your junior, so forgive me: you lose, prick.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Well, this afternoon and tonight I went to two Christmas parties, and at the first one there was this Wild chick like 8 years older than me, who when I received my gift, a blanket, said, "I can teach you how to use that blanket." Tacky I know, but she was totally sucked into me based totally on others having built me up - reputation/social proof - and well, my knock-down drag-out good-looks. I think she wanted to Do me tonight but I had another party to goto, plus I can do better.

So I goto this next party expecting women this time younger than me, and first thing when I walk it I'm greeted by the chicka who's been after me for months - tall elegant sophisticated but with big nose and not blond. Now this Other chicka who's been after me for a couple of months comes over to stand next to me, talk and catch up on each other's lives - I find out a lot more about her and she's looking better than ever - looking her best. I never realized how blue her eyes were. She's trying, but she's really not my type again brunette and a wee-bit fat/manly.

Then the jealous one of almost a year pursuing me I catch from afar on the couch looking at us talking in the kitchen. It's so funny seeing these women try to validate themselves to me, so obvious, so naive to "the game" we've all studied so hard here, the reverse game where SHE's the AFC chicka now unable to control her wants and desires seeking MY approval. I love all of this community, the gurus, all of it for helping me to NEVER ever seek a woman's approval again, NEVER trying to puff myself up with stats, my record, what I've done in the past. It's all about the present when I'm in the presence of women now, sets me apart, even from the husbands - some, newlyweds - in the room.

I felt like a tractor-beam or magnetic force tonight, and the thing is, I didn't even really try. When you read about this stuff and come to the boards, absorb it, the literature, you begin to just naturally carry yourself in a they-cannot-resist you kinda way. I'm good with kids too, and women LOVE that. Shows that you could raise Their potential kids to be strong if push came to shove.

I can't help myself these days. Everythang's hilarious.