Do alpha males get cheated on? Or do betas more often?

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Expecting any loyalty or honor from women is a risky bet, expecting them to restrain their impulses especially now that culture and low protect them is one of the closest definition of stupity that comes in my mind.

I know what op meant, what he was actually asking is "if I become good enough, can I be sure my special one wont cheat on me?"

The answer dear op is not, women and certainity or honor have no connection or parallel.

As the guys told you above, no matter what happens the dude is wrong and the chick is either right or a victim, they have no reason to keep a good behaviour or conseguences to pay if they dont.

So the best suggestion I can give you is to not keep women at the same standard of men, do no expect any honor to her word or loyalty in your weak moments, just deal with this and your life will be much more easy and relaxed.
 

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alphas get cheated on, dudes with horsekocks get cheated on, dudes with millions get cheated on

stay true to yourself first and foremost
 

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Everyone can get cheated on. That shouldn't be the issue - because who you are and what you do doesnt mean ****. This is why you have all these guys becoming "alpha", or whatever nonsense, and still wondering why women are doing the same things as before.

It really comes down to mindset and tolerant level. A beta will allow himself to be jerked around, used, strung along, manipulated, cheated on, etc, as he has low self-esteem, places women on a pedestal, believes its his fault, that he must change to prevent this, she's really a good person deep down, he can show her the light, etc. He's basically too weak, afraid, and desperate to walk away, and clings onto her like no other. "This one HAS to work", he believes. He generally places himself below her, and allows her to run the show - while he gets controlled and trampled over.

This is also what separates the nice guys from bad boys. It has NOTHING to do with the women, because they are the way they are. A bad boy will **** a slut, whereas a nice guy will try to wife her up. He wastes more time, gives his heart out, sympathizes with her, waits around, tries to change her, etc, etc - only to get heart-broken and become bitter for years to come. This was all on him.

The bad boy, meanwhile, doesn't invest himself, gets in and gets out, and uses her as the slut she is. He doesn't care about what happens, because he never invested himself, took her seriously, etc. He doesn't get hurt; the nice guy does. Therefore, the nice guy comes on the internet to cry like a girl, because he cared and invested more. That is the only difference. Both parties - assuming the bad boy stuck around for sex or whatever - still got cheated on, and whatever else.

So, its basically how you approach each situation that determines how you are going to FEEL about, and be AFFECTED by the outcome - the outcome itself remains the same. Someone who has options, doesn't invest so much of himself emotionally, takes his time, has standards, etc, is far better off, and will be much less affected by being cheated on than someone who rushes in heart first, places all of his eggs in one basket (right away), enters relationship mode too soon, falls in love with a vision, places her on a pedestal, etc. He's too attached too soon to be able to just leave. It affects him deeply, and he ends up stuck in a horrible situation. The bad boy, meanwhile, has a clear head, wasn't emotional or affectionate, can't be controlled, etc, so he can leave without feeling much of anything.

Not to say you should be a player, hump and dump, never give your heart out, trust nobody, etc, but you gotta be wise and patient. Don't just give your heart and trust away like its candy - only to ***** when you get screwed over. It's your fault for not paying attention. Pick your targets wisely, and determine how you should proceed with each one. Being "alpha" isn't going to stop a ***** from being a *****. But, you'll be able to get rid of her easily - as you realise your worth, don't settle for garbage, are content with yourself, won't be jerked around or played like a fool, etc.

Most bad boys, indeed, are very smart. It comes with the street / people knowledge they have, but they tend to use it for selfish, manipulative purposes. They know how to use people, and prey on the weak. So, adapting these traits for good purposes (ie, weeding out the bad; recognizing them for who they are; becoming a better judge of character; being able to spot BS; etc) is highly recommended. Most bad boys KNOW when someone is good or trouble, and treat them accordingly. This part is good. How they use that knowledge for their selfish needs is bad.

I used to associate with these types a lot. They knew very well what was going on, and what people were like, and what their intentions were with them. Whereas the nice guys would jump right in like dumbasses - only to get burned by the same people the bad boys knew better than to get involved with.

Typically, this comes from experience, and getting burned. Too many people turn bad, though, and up leading fake, miserable, shallow, distrusting, lonely lives - rather than use the knowle,dge for good. Most bad boys are very hateful and miserable as a result of their lifestyles and mindset. They view everyone as the enemy who's out to get THEM, ironically enough. They're mostly just ****ed up in the head, and have a twisted, critical, pessimistic, judgemental, irrational, conspiracy-esque viewpoint - they're not necessarily "evil". But, bad is still bad - no matter how you swing it.

I always say, become a good person with bad-like traits. Of course, you have to be good to begin with.
 

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floydb25 said:
Most bad boys, indeed, are very smart. It comes with the street / people knowledge they have, but they tend to use it for selfish, manipulative purposes. They know how to use people, and prey on the weak. So, adapting these traits for good purposes (ie, weeding out the bad; recognizing them for who they are; becoming a better judge of character; being able to spot BS; etc) is highly recommended.
How does one do that? Is there a book or something?
 

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The best way to keep a woman from cheating on you is to rock her world in bed.

Guys who get off on the whole alpha/beta thing don't realize that eating pvssy well and fvcking well is far easier to get a woman to act right than pretending to be alpha EVER will.

It won't prevent all women from cheating but it will prevent alot of them from cheating. The best you can ask for.
 

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FairShake said:
The best way to keep a woman from cheating on you is to rock her world in bed.

Guys who get off on the whole alpha/beta thing don't realize that eating pvssy well and fvcking well is far easier to get a woman to act right than pretending to be alpha EVER will.

It won't prevent all women from cheating but it will prevent alot of them from cheating. The best you can ask for.
But even then wouldnt the woman still get bored of you no matter how good you are in bed or wherever elese, sure she will be emotionally attached but it looks like hypergamy will still rule

also ever had a girl who does not like being eaten? this girl I am dating does not want it lol
 

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dudewut said:
But even then wouldnt the woman still get bored of you no matter how good you are in bed or wherever elese, sure she will be emotionally attached but it looks like hypergamy will still rule

also ever had a girl who does not like being eaten? this girl I am dating does not want it lol
Some women will. Alot won't. Not all women are hypergamous. In fact, I think most aren't. Men cheat on women far more than the other way around.

Yes, I have had girls who didn't like being eaten. Most of these girls were REALLY hard to make ***. They could only come from certain positions and from alot of work on my part. But these girls are rare.
 

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FairShake said:
Not all women are hypergamous.
FairShake said:
Men cheat on women far more than the other way around.

That is the quite the statement right there....care to explain? This goes against everything Roissy/Heartiste ever said (and you know CH, he always have Scientific Evidence backing him)

Anybody here agree/disagree with him?

I disagree with you on those dude, women are hypergamous if given a choice they will always choose the alpha genes than a beta's and women DO cheat more than men.
 

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Honestly, the whole alpha - beta nonsense is so stupid. An Alpha male in the pick up community represents a perfect man, which is impossible because everyone has faults, and a beta is usually just classified as some ball-less pu55y, which isn't true in nature either.

Alpha males are just leaders, and betas are their followers. Anyone can get cheated on, I doubt the girl cares how alpha you are when it comes to that. Unless of course you're nuts and might kill her and she knows that
 

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dudewut said:
That is the quite the statement right there....care to explain? This goes against everything Roissy/Heartiste ever said (and you know CH, he always have Scientific Evidence backing him)

Anybody here agree/disagree with him?

I disagree with you on those dude, women are hypergamous if given a choice they will always choose the alpha genes than a beta's and women DO cheat more than men.
You gotta get off of the Roissy website and look around you. Don't look through someone else's tellingly angry eyes. It's not black and white, women are only one way and men are only another. Most girls I know...and I know A LOT...aren't trying to bang every single guy out there. Most want just one that can rock their world.

That said, I exaggerated when I said "far more." I still believe men cheat more than women but the numbers are pretty close. But considering that women COULD, if they wanted to, cheat every single day the numbers may not reflect the whole story.
 

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what happens when your just to tired to slam that pvssy and rock thier world? what if she wants it like that daily 2-3 times a day because you set the bar that high for yourself?

be realistic
 

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georgie24 said:
what happens when your just to tired to slam that pvssy and rock thier world? what if she wants it like that daily 2-3 times a day because you set the bar that high for yourself?

be realistic
If you two have different sexual habits you shouldn't be together. That's extremely important to me. If she wants it far more or less than I do we won't be a couple for very long.
 

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Well make sure you can deliver like a champoin every time or else she will think your cheating or losing interest once those " marathon sexcapades" start getting father and fewer inbetween

no matter if the girl is a smoking hot 10 if i bang it more then a week straight i can last a few hours, after that 5 minutes and once i bust im done

you dont keep a girl by fvcking her good, you keep her by being a man

as said above there never a gurantee she will be faithful reguardless, so before you have to start using viagra and cialis to hang in the sack just make sure thats the route you choose as long as you keep the woman
 

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It doesn't have to be marathon sessions every hour to keep most girls. Some maybe but not most. That's just off bro.

Chicks dig sex and orgasms more than they do "negging" and "kino".

Being yourself but a sexual version of yourself is easier to do.
 

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BUt then fvcking her soo good all the time will still result in her getting used to it, so I guess you gotta calibrate that too, but then she will still get bored

I am starting to see that maybe boredom is the cause of infidelity
 

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So here's a loaded question that you guys can chew on. What if you get cheated on and word gets around? Does that damage your image with other women?
 

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Albatross953 said:
So here's a loaded question that you guys can chew on. What if you get cheated on and word gets around? Does that damage your image with other women?
Yes and No.

A part of it is you can use the victim card, however it greatly lowers your value (e.g. Robert Pattinson)

Now I say its also a "No" because as we said earlier in the thread, cheating is now a norm, everybody does it, everybody gets cheated on. Being known or not is irrelevant, its happening. Are you in a relationship with a girl? Well its now a when and if. But it happened/will happen.

The best way one can do if confronted about it is laugh it off/scoff it off and tell people that you didnt really care either way.
 

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From Matt Ridley

"Polygamy is infrequent in hunter gatherers (exceptions: PNW Indians and Australian aborigines). Marriage is a child rearing institution. Women are not interested in overt polygamy but are often unfaithful. The Herod effect: Sarah Hrdy. Sperm competition theory. Female chimps have steady mates but sneak out to mate with a top male. Infanticide by a male mate halts maternal milk production and prepares them for new pregnancy. Female chimps mate with many males to share paternity and prevent infanticide. Human stepchildren are 65x more likely to die than children living with their parents [can this be true?]. Promiscuity and peacefulness of bonobos (pygmy chimps)--mating is so frequent it rarely leads to aggression.

Women seek monogamous marriages, lesbians are not promiscuous. Women are sometimes unfaithful. Species in which males have bigger testicles have more female polygamy [is this cause or effect?]. This allows more effective sperm competition. Man's are medium sized, with unusually low sperm/gram tissue. For birds, many of the chicks are not the ostensible father's--the fathers are cuckolded. Testicles are largest in polyandrous birds. Birds with large testicles tend to live in colonies where the females have ample opportunity for adultery.

A female with a mediocre husband having with good territory should have an affair with a genetically superior husband (the Emma Bovary strategy). Attractive males make inattentive fathers.

The amount of sperm retention in the vagina depends on orgasm. Faithful women and ardent lovers have high sperm retention (high fertility) orgasms compared to unfaithful women with their spouses (Baker and Bellis). Men and rats who have been away ejaculate more than ones who have been with the female all day (to overcome competition from other sperm).

Male birds behave in constant terror of infidelity of their females and mate frequently to compete (e.g., goshawks). Men keep an eye on their wives by proxy, gossip--for which language is required.

Human females have concealed ovulation, forcing males to mate regularly, exhibit continual sexual interest. This helps to prevent infanticide--neither the husband nor the lover knows if he is the father. Women use perpetual sexual availability to seduce philanderers in exchange for gifts.

Males may hold 2 territories, each with a committed mate. Men deceive their wives, not their lovers.

Jealousy is deep seated in men, a human universal. The absence of jealousy in a husband is worrisome to a wife. Couples who exhibit occasional jealousy are more likely to stay together. Men are less accepting of infidelity in their wives--there is also a legal double standard [really?].

Courtly love is about passing wealth to sons so they can be successful adulterers, cuckolding heiresses. Jousting impressed the ladies [and facilitated these relationships?] Tristan... The Church became obsessed with sex to prevent lords from siring legitimate heirs [can this be true?]. In the American South, the effort was to keep the wealth in the family. Incest laws are in part an effort for rulers to prevent wealth concentration in other families (and are not always followed by the rulers).

Men want to acquire power and use it to lure women who will bear heirs, and to acquire wealth to buy other men's wives who will bear bastards. Wealth and power are a means to women which lead to genetic eternity. Women want a husband who will provide care and food for her children, and a lover who will give them first-class genes."
 

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IF you had to choose between one or the other go with being alpha over beta.

But you don't. You need alpha and beta aspects to make a relationship work in the long run. Be too beta and you will get friendzoned all the time. Be too alpha and all you will be able to get his some ONS.

Sometimes you gotta smack her in the ass and objectify her. Sometimes you can show some beta qualities. You can't ever let her figure you out completely and she'll love you for it.
 

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Uberguy said:
I won't forget her response:

"I see how everyone looks at you. I know you're cheating on me, so I thought you should know how it feels."

But I wasn't cheating on her... By displaying more Alpha traits, I triggered her insecurities which made her go running to a Beta that she could control.
This happened to me also. A girl said "I know all the girls at my work like you" as if she had caught me in a lie, as if it were a bad thing (as if she'd prefer none of the girls at her work like me). Then she said she thought I was "overcharming" and that it was a warning sign. You see, men can never beat women at their own game. Once you succeed past a certain point it's as if an alarm goes off and some woman will take it as her duty to reject you all the way back to the stone age.

Women will dump you on both ends, for being too AFC, and for being too Alpha.

Burroughs said:
From Matt Ridley

"Polygamy is infrequent in hunter gatherers... and a lover who will give them first-class genes."
Thanks for this research Burroughs.
 
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