DJ Bootcamp Week 4 (Summer 2005)

[Ricky]

Tukzulu, I am sorry to hear about the breakup. Do me a favor PM me. I may have something that could help you a bit.

In any event, I have been working almost nonstop. I do hit on girls at works.

Guys I saw a really cute girl at work in the operating room. I was so tempted to get her number, but the need to be professional is important. That woudl have been a story to tell huh?

So things have been fun. I think practicing the fundamentals is good.

The internet girl called Monday. I cancelled a date with her last week, but she still callled to tell me about her weekend. We will probably go out soon.

Talk to you later.

 

[Ricky]

Girl at work bought me drink. And she was the ice queen for a long time.

PRetty cool that little hottie.

 

[Magico]

week4 approach1

OK I started this week a few days ago, but last night I did my first approach and it resulted in a number close.

I was at the music festival with a few friends. None of them knows about my bootcamp and I manage to talk my friend into approaching babes so I will call him a wingman.

To spice things up, I tell my wing I'll give him 20 bucks for the first number he gets and he says cool so the bet is on.

So we're walking around stages, having fun and after a while I lose my friends. Looking around for them, I spot a petite HB7 who looks underage and I think for a little while if I should approach or not. This happens to me a lot though. I go for petite girls and many times I'd confuse an underage (16-18) girl for a 18+ girl. Anyways I say what the hell and open her with situational "you're not dancing?"

She says she's taking a break and I make a small convo with her, as it turns out she's pretty lame and I decide to bail out. At that moment I spot my friends and go back to them. In a little while the HB7 I just opened comes close to us and starts dancing with her friends who were not around when I talked to her. I notice there was a HB8 among them and I go and dance with HB7 for a little while, again making some lame small talk, and in a few mins I move on to HB8 and open her with "so you're HB7's friends?" (I know this sucks but 1-I followed the 3s rule and 2-this goes to show that if the girl digs you, you can open her with anything).

After that the convo goes on smoothly and I'm like whoa she's an 8 and she's giving me IOIs like it's her job. Turns out they're all 22 so that's a bag of bricks off my shoulders. HB8 asks me if I'm single, smiles a lot, asks questions and generally looks very happy I'm talking to her. Turns out we have a mutual female friend and than she asks me if she's more than a friend, lol. At this point I'm feeling top of the world and tell her that we can get together and party sometimes and she says sure so I pull out my cell and let her enter her digits. Smoooothhh. After that we exchange a few more sentences and I make my exit.

My wing hands me my money and I immidiately double the bet and the wing says ok. We're walking around town and whaddaya know, I run at my HB8 again. This time she confesses she's a bit tipsy but frankly I would have never figured. She starts talking about emotions and stuff which I politely dodge and move on to different topics. All the while kinoing her and vice versa...I just loved the way her tits felt against my chest/arms. At this point one of my friends comes to us and starts asking HB8 would she have given her # to him or me had we approach her at the same time, and she immidiately points at me. All in good fun though but I was preying that he doesn't mention the bet. Now that guy was foreign and at that point I get to look cool speaking foreign language and translating stuff for her.

Anyways the second covo lasted for more than 30 mins before I left. Now if this were a fairytale I would have stopped here but I did make an afc move. At the end of the 2nd convo, when we were about to say goodbye I move in and kiss her on the cheek...plain stupid. Nevertheless she seemed to like it and I think I still stand a good chance with her.

Another thing is she will be out of town for next 2 or 3 weeks which leaves me with an uncomfortable choice: text her from time to time or call her on the phone in order to maintain her interest level. I think I'll go with texting but not too often.

any suggestions?


Now I know the goal for this week are rejections and I hope I'll get some soon, and until than I'll post frs of all approaches that I make in the process.
Also, it seems it'll take some time to make those 10 rejections so I'll keep doing this week till I finish it, regardless to a given timeframe.

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approaches: 1
numbers: 1
recejtions: 0

 

[odecit_1]

Originally posted by Tukzulu
New entry here:
http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=Tukzulu



Also, I've started a new thing where when I see HBs I either ask the time or for directions to somewhere. This works for me because before I'd freeze up and not say anything at all. This way, at least I've already got a simple non-intimidating approach and know what to say, like a prepared script, and that just works better for my psyche I guess. Trying to run routines and worry about body language and all this other stuff may be good down the road, but its just too much for me right now and it just ends up paralyzing me. And asking time/directions is also a simple way to get into a conversation. At least for me.

I just want to add, I do find that I am more comfortable opening on these indirect topics, however I find that if I do that they very often do not lead to conversations, because its hard to (in many cases but not all) switch topics on asking the particular girl personal questions. If I ask for directions the topic seems to be only directions and most of the time, the conversation does not drift on a personal level. I understand ofcource that this maybe because of either. I feel this happens for two reasons, first of all of my own inability to convey my interest towards the girl and the second reason might be that the girl is just not interested in initiating a personal conversation.

 

[Casino]

I'm really a big fan of the "SALE ASSUMPTION" close. Awesome.

We used that in the car biz...infact

let me make a post on it.

 

[Magico]

week4 rejection1

Casino , thanx for replying, I think sale assumption should be like default, I can't even imagine my self, asking a girl "so do you want to give me ur number and would you like to go out with me?" lol


Background story: Bonnie is my friend from childhood (HB8) and Natalie is her friend whom I see once a year or two. I always used to think she was a HB6.5 but there's something about her that incredibly turns me on. I used to mack on her too, but back in the day I was either too much of an AFC to close on her, or I was working on another HB.

Bonnie invites me and my friend to a party and we show up around 11. As soon as I see Natalie I decide she's a solid HB8. I'm talking short skirt, classy heels and tight top. She's also one of those rare girls who get hotter as they get older. She's 22 now BTW. Anyways I exchange a few words with her and everyone else at the party (small party, like 8 people) and take a seat. After a few minutes I catch Natalie looking at me and I keep EC. 10 mins later she comes and sits next to me saying how my cellphone is so sweet and she has a friend who has the same phone...

I wasn't on top of my game right then, cause I didn't sleep well the night before and this is how convo went:

Natalie: Y'know I have a friend who has this cute little koala bear as a screensaver on his cell. It's the sweetest thing ever, koalas are so cute and this one shows up every time my friend turns his phone on...
Me: Please don't go there, my cousin was boring me the other day, he couldn't stop talking about koalas, lol

Obvious f-up then and there, I like to use occasional neg-hit but only if a girl is HB9 or more and/or is too stuck up. So N throws a sh*t-test:

N: so you're saying I'm boring to you? that's not niiiceee! (with a smile, but I could tell she didn't like my notion)
Me: no, no it's ok, it was just the fact that my cousin is a guy and I was like wtf...

She interrupts me and says something like: ok, ok, don't try to get away with it now, ok I'm boring so...(playing like she's mad)

We continue our fluff talk, and after 10 mins she goes back to where she was sitting before. I talk some more to other people at the party and as soon as i get a chance, I take a seat next to Natalie. We pick up on our convo, about foreign countries we visited and she tells me she'd like to se Ireland. I tell her it's nice over there and that everyone there has blue eyes.

Me: So if you like guys with blue eyes, you'd like Ireland
N: as the matter of fact I don't like blue eyes at all. I usually go for guys with darker skin. (pause) But hey everything's possible, never say never again.

This was kinda neg hit on her part, because I am blond guy with blue eyes.
I keep the convo flowing and by this time I pick up on my game so I'm in full power mode, doing kino, making her laugh, teasing her and being C+F.

N: So you MUST throw a graduation party!
Me: I don't know I'll see, maybe...
N: And you have to invite Bonnie and me!
Me: Well OK, I'll invite you...and while we're at it you can give me your number...

I reach for my cell from the table and while I'm passing it to her to enter her digits, she says "well you can call Bonnie and she'll inform me of the party"

Me: (while thinking WTF?, blushing and sweating a little bit) yeah ur right, that sounds like the least complicated option

So I keep my cell in my hand for a little while and then put it back on table. After two minutes of blushing (I was lucky the lights were dimmed and no one could see it) I get my sh*t together and keep doing my thing, slightly heavier kino (she's playfully punching my shoulder, I'm punching her back and caressing her arm, our knees touch...) and stuff and she seems to really enjoy it, laughs a lot, asks questions, tries to tease me, plays with her hair, caresses her leg. All the while I'm wondering wtf, y hasn't she given her digits, was she that dumb not to see the opportunity?

I decide not to go for the # again, I tell her she can give me a call when she passes this club that I frequent and I tell her Bonnie has my number so she can get it from her. She's like ok, and that's pretty much everything of the relevance to this FR. There was also this litle prick who tried to AMOG me, I ignored him, don't really know if this was the best thing to do, gotta find some tips on that, and I guess I better get used to that. After all I was the one who had most fun at the party and I guess some pople can't help but be jealous.

This is not over...yet...I'll have to make some more moves on Natalie, as I said she's a real hottie, and I still haven't gone for the kiss test or other physical moves...could have done that last night but didn't feel right as everyone was around the table and they could see it.

So rejection number one for me! Oh yeah - I almost forgot - that's just what I'm looking for!:woo:
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Approaches: 2
Numbers: 1
Rejections: 1

 

[Tukzulu]

Re: week4 rejection1

Originally posted by Magico

Obvious f-up then and there, I like to use occasional neg-hit but only if a girl is HB9 or more and/or is too stuck up. So N throws a sh*t-test:

N: so you're saying I'm boring to you? that's not niiiceee! (with a smile, but I could tell she didn't like my notion)
Me: no, no it's ok, it was just the fact that my cousin is a guy and I was like wtf...

She interrupts me and says something like: ok, ok, don't try to get away with it now, ok I'm boring so...(playing like she's mad)

I don't think she was ****-testing you. Sounds more like she was qualifying herself. Why else would she care if you found her boring unless she was at least somewhat interested in you.

N: as the matter of fact I don't like blue eyes at all. I usually go for guys with darker skin. (pause) But hey everything's possible, never say never again.

That sounds like a ****-test combined with a sort of mild IOI. She's leaving the door open anyway. But sounds like you handled it well. And what girl isn't interested in blonde and blue-eyes?!

Sounds like you still might have a shot with this girl. I deleted the part with her age. Is she young? She may be reticent because of her young age or perhaps its something to do with running in the same social circle as you. But I'd definitely invite bonnie and her over or find someway to hang out with her again and give it another go.

 

[ksoileau]

The boyfriend walkup

Originally posted by Ricky
Uggh. I just don't have much time for the next month.

I do have a date tomorrow. Internet girl. Not really excited to go to it even though she sounds nice.

But I need to hone up and say my DJ creed "Make no excuses and take no ****"

I will at least continue to loop 1-3 until I am ready to start dating multiple women again, which will come after my big exam next month.

Yeah, man. The "boyfriend walkup" has happened to me many times, especially in Barnes & Noble. I've never actually had one walk up as I did an approach, only when I was thinking about it and moving into position.

 

[ksoileau]

My little head starts thinking first and it's building a little pedestal for the girl HAHAH.

Hilarious!

Penis = girl pedestal



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[Magico]

week4 approach3

Tukzulu , she is 22, not that young, I sense some insecurity combined (no clue why) with "I'm so cool" attitude which makes me suspect she's a possible AW.
Actually I've met many girls who go for the dark type, but many who go for blond as well .

definitely invite bonnie and her over or find someway to hang out with her again and give it another go.

Yeah, I was thinking the same, I just need to figure out how, but yes another go is a must.
Thank you for the feedback, this way I don't feel like I'm talking to a wall

approach: long story short, I hit the clubs with my wing, we open a few sets along our way we try to get warmed up, no closes yet. We enter one club, spot a set, but it's too hard to approach. My wing doesn't want to let them go and we follow them to the other club, right next to club1. (a little bit of stalking, but it turned out good).

I open another set while my wing is trying to figure a way to eliminate amogs around his target. I #close my HB7 and move to the set my wing is already working on. He #closes them and we call it a night.

For detaled FR, click here.
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approaches: 3
numbers: 2
recejtions: 1

 

[odecit_1]

I really find that approaches / number closes, are easiest with a wingman. Doing them alone is really hard for me, because if you get rejected there is no one that can energize you back into a good mood. But i have some issues with that, first of all ; if you have one freind whom you make hits with, you probably need to find two girls, so as to have situation where conversations are balanced. But 3 or 4 girls would be a problem, b/c one of them would not have anyone to talk to.

Now acting alone i really need to motivate myself before the approach, here is a perfect example of how lack of prior commitment can make you hesitate. Here is an example:

approach:
I get off the bus, and this girl gets off at the same time as me.. we are moving in the same direction (towards downtown) and i ask her where a particular pub is, she explains, and turns out she's going into that direction also. I ask her where she studies and apparently we go to the same university and both in 3rd year. Anyway, as we got to where I need to go into another direction I gave myself an exuse for not closing, which was " well we go to the same school, so we'll probably meet each other at the campus" Now i realize how ignorant that was, since there are about 20 000 students at my campus. I was so mad after that!!!! I felt like punching a brick wall, I should have commited myself to close no matter what, or make an agreedment that if i don't close i will burn something like a $5 bill, which I will do next time ( just need to cary some bills with a lighter at all times!)

 

[Magico]

Odecit_1 , yes I think it is always better to sarge with a wingman, especially in social settings like nightclubs. If you're just walking around campus during the day then you're good on your own. If you have a friend who's not a total loser, you can dare him or bet him, that would spice things up.

You just need to make a decision to start closing but it's fine if you just talk to HBs until you feel ready to close.

Have you ever done a bootcamp?

If you hit a club (as opposed to lounge) the music is too loud for anyone to have a convo with more than 1 person at the same time. In my last fr, Sandra was with 2 other girls but I only talked to her and it wasn't strange/incosiderate to other girls.

 

[odecit_1]

Originally posted by Magico
Odecit_1 , yes I think it is always better to sarge with a wingman, especially in social settings like nightclubs. If you're just walking around campus during the day then you're good on your own. If you have a friend who's not a total loser, you can dare him or bet him, that would spice things up.

You just need to make a decision to start closing but it's fine if you just talk to HBs until you feel ready to close.

Have you ever done a bootcamp?

If you hit a club (as opposed to lounge) the music is too loud for anyone to have a convo with more than 1 person at the same time. In my last fr, Sandra was with 2 other girls but I only talked to her and it wasn't strange/incosiderate to other girls.

I have done parts of the bootcamp, at one poing in my life but I never did things like make say 50 Hi's.. or anything like that . And also if i wanted to initiate converstations i never talked to anyone else but girls ; cuz I just did not feel I needed that - I think this part is for really extreme shy people / introverts, but my social life lately has been going preatty well lately.
I also find that its best to go with an experienced wingman who is not afraid to go up to a group of girls, or is comftable talking to them in the convo...