DJ Approach or PUA Approach?

[Tenacity]

So in the Manosphere there's two different approaches to addressing this market of women, it's the Don Juan approach and the PUA approach.

Which one do you guys think is the best approach?

Don Juan Approach: Have the mentality that you are the prize to be won and not her, which is based on fundamentals of continuing to improve yourself in the area of finances, mental health, physical health, look, dress, style, your car and the place you stay. Then, you would develop natural based charisma/conversational skills/personality when dealing with women and the entire package of "you" should create attraction from the women, then you would filter the women who are attracted to you based on your own standards. Isn't that pretty much the Don Juan approach?

PUA Approach: You bring to it still a focus on improving yourself in the areas of finances, mental health, physical health, look, dress, style, your car and the place you stay. But you have the mentality that women are all game-players and full of shyt, so it's either you manipulate her to get what you want out of her or she will manipulate you. So you go on a series of techniques, tactics, etc. to get her attracted to you, fvck you, as well as do certain nice things for you such as paying for your bills. Isn't that pretty much the PUA approach?

Which of these approaches are the best ones to deal with this market of women who all seemingly are only out for themselves, the Family Court is out of control, the status of the family is breaking down, etc.?

 

[Lexington]

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why not a combination of the two? Obviously, we as men need to constantly strive to improve ourselves physically, mentally, spiritually, economically and emotionally. However, there is a place for tactics and strategies in cold approaching strangers and bedding them.

You could be a millionaire who leads an amazing lifestyle and who is admired by many, but that cute girl you spotted at the park doesn't know any of this. How are you going to convert her from a stranger into a fvck buddy? There are some ways to go about this that are more effective than others. Pickup artistry is the study of these ways.

Not everyone agrees on the most effective tactics. Indeed, the most effective tactics vary depending on the individual. But there is probably a great benefit in comparing notes with other men who are interested in the same thing as you and trying out different strategies to see which works best.

 

[mangotot]

I never really knew a Don Juan approach existed. To me its all pua but yeah a combo of the 2 is the best.

 

[evan12]

I think you are referring to PUA as nigh club game , otherwise PUA teach the same as what you said about DJ .

 

[mangotot]

I think you are referring to PUA as nigh club game , otherwise PUA teach the same as what you said about DJ .

Don't know why the distinction, they are in the same boat. The term pua is more recognised so should just use that then anything else. I am no Don Juan, if anything I am a pua. Even that is something I frown upon.

 

[ZTIME]

So in the Manosphere there's two different approaches to addressing this market of women, it's the Don Juan approach and the PUA approach.

Which one do you guys think is the best approach?

Don Juan Approach: Have the mentality that you are the prize to be won and not her, which is based on fundamentals of continuing to improve yourself in the area of finances, mental health, physical health, look, dress, style, your car and the place you stay. Then, you would develop natural based charisma/conversational skills/personality when dealing with women and the entire package of "you" should create attraction from the women, then you would filter the women who are attracted to you based on your own standards. Isn't that pretty much the Don Juan approach?

PUA Approach: You bring to it still a focus on improving yourself in the areas of finances, mental health, physical health, look, dress, style, your car and the place you stay. But you have the mentality that women are all game-players and full of shyt, so it's either you manipulate her to get what you want out of her or she will manipulate you. So you go on a series of techniques, tactics, etc. to get her attracted to you, fvck you, as well as do certain nice things for you such as paying for your bills. Isn't that pretty much the PUA approach?

Which of these approaches are the best ones to deal with this market of women who all seemingly are only out for themselves, the Family Court is out of control, the status of the family is breaking down, etc.?

Based on your definitions, I'd have to go the DJ way. Both are relatively the same, yet if PUA involves any sort of lying to "game" a chick you'll be lying to her and yourself. If you need to lie about yourself to get a chick then you are really not that confident in who you really are.

But let me ask you this. Wouldn't either of these approaches work if you take women out of the equations? I mean that by putting all of the work in with the hope that you'll be able to score more women, doesn't it mean that your putting way too much value into the pvssy?

Let's take the women out of the equation and take a look at the basic principals.

1. Working on yourself for yourself.

Working out. By working out and eating right you're doing it to increase your health, extend you life span, decrease your stress, and reduce your risk of stroke. (Bye product: everyone will recognize the changes in you and boost your confidence level, (including women))

Mental health. By finding reading material on mixed fields of interest areas in your life you will be able to attain knowledge in several areas of your life. I try to read 3 books a month. 1 on business, one on personality and sales, and one self help book. My beliefs is that by reading 36 books in one year, I should be better qualified to do better in life and career. ( Bye product: increased career opportunities, increased income potential, increased ability to have better conversations with people in social situations (including women))

Attire. In a professional environment, always look your best. You don't need to go overboard, but you don't need to look like a slob. Understand fundamentals. Ie: shoes match belts, socks match pants, don't wear striped tops and bottoms at the same time, and don't wear black with blue. In a casual environment, look good but no need for over kill. (Bye product: when you know you dress well your confidence level increases, people will notice when you walk through a room, you'll have increased job or advancement opportunities, and more social interaction with people.(including women)).

I won't list all of the rest, but I think you get the idea. If we approach any of these lifestyles with the sole intent of dating in today's market or picking up women, where increasing their value to something way higher then that of a small percentage of the bye products We
gain by doing it all for ourselves.

That's just one way of looking at it.

 

[sodbuster]

It's actually going to be both. You have to game her to initially talk to her, but then as you spend more time, she's going to eventually figure out you have your act together emotionally and financially. I don't USE money to attract women, but it helps seal the deal once they find out I have it. NOT like I wear a gold chain with my platinum cards on it to try to pick them up and start the conversation