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niceguydying

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I have been going through a divorce the last several months and it is ongoing. Soon to be ex still lives with me until divorce is final which makes it tougher. Half the time she is not even coming home. I pretty much figure she has a boyfriend, but I was the one that wanted the divorce. So I can't be all crappy about it. Which leads me to ask the mature folks out there the following:

I have good days and bad ones. I still love my wife but ultimately know that she and I are finished. Like I said, I initiated the divorce because she has an alcohol problem and wasn't treating me the way a PRIZE should be treated! I put up w/ her problem for about 5 years and she never got help. I do not feel like I am damaged goods by no means, I do not have issues that are hidden. I just can't seem to get out there and sarge though. Like tonight, it is Friday night and I am sitting here jockeying this keyboard.

Has anyone here gone through a similar incident?? I know right know that I am trying to be happy with myself, but it would be better if I got out more. Just not really up to it. I work, hit the gym and jockey the computer. I need some changes, huh?
 

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I have no children at all and I am really thankful that I don't. Not that I may not want them one day, but I do not feel I need kids to complete my life. When I am old, I will probably regret it.
 

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since there are no children in the home, i have to ask wtf are you guys doing living together while filing for a divorce?
you two are not going to get any real relief until you really get out of the same roof together.
you need to sit down by yourself and think of what you can do.
is it feasible to move to a new place or can you put your stuff in storage and crash at your moms or a buddys or a brothers for a few weeks until you can get a new place?
if the two of you are on a lease together, can you talk to the landlord about getting out of the lease?
you can not continue to live together and pull yourself out of that relationship and go about your life, can you?
i wouldnt be able to.
after you decide what to do, then talk to her and pack up. seperate your things and let that be that.

you will survive this and you will move on. let us know what happens.
 

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Some states (US) won't even let you divorce if you are under the same roof. Like penkitten sez, what are you doing under the same roof?

Living with the person you are divorcing: I think the technical term here is "mindfu*k".

Your chances for sucessfully getting on with your life are very low in this situation.

And the money argument will not wash, just an excuse.

Perhaps you should take Henry Thoreau's advice:

"Id rather sit on a pumpkin and have it all to myself than share a velvet cushion..."
 

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Money is not the issue. I am keeping the house which I had before I married her. The issue is with her leaving. Not sure why she hasn't yet, but after the paperwork is signed she will have no choice but to leave after 30 days. Money is not an issue for her either. Mindf#ck is a pretty good term. She only stays here a few nights a week anymore, but I think her still being here and her stuff being here is affecting some of my motivation. Not that I pining over her, but just because. Since no children are involved it makes it easier in our state. Thanks for the input!!! We should be signing the papers in the next couple of weeks.
 

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It seems that your history still may be holding you back. My suggestion is before starting your new chapter as a bachelor, you write an interim chapter. In this chapter you RE-define yourself.

In redefinition I mean re-learning who you are at your core and expanding upon it with personal perceptions of the world and personal interests both old and new. In doing this you need to focus on yourself. During this time you're rebuilding yourself, upgrading to a new and improved model. Something women are willing to "buy into."

Bouncing back from a LTR isn't something that people can do naturally. This doesn't mean that it needs to be overly difficult either. You do need to take a bit of time to transition from your old life to your new one.

Here's a FR I posted a while back after I was ending a LTR. I was lucky enough to already know how I was going to redefine myself but you'll notice that once you do, things come together more easily.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54991
 

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Well your only problem from moving forward is her still living with you. I'd tell her to move out - if she doesn't just change the locks one day.. LOL
 

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Thanks for the great advice guys and especially you Francisco! Well since I am in law enforcement I know how it works. You can't just kick someone out that legally resides, especially your wife that is soon to be ex. As far as eviction goes I have a clause that she must vacate residence after 30 days when divorce is final. I went to attorneys office in April and had paperwork drawn up, but we both kind of dragged our feet. But now it is time to sign and get on with my life. I am all about protecting mine! Once again, thanks!
 

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Women who hang out in bars, are poorly educated, or have no financial contributiuon to the relationship are just dragging you down. I wouldn't even have sex with someone like that, it's just always more trouble than it's worth and they usually are associated with low life's even if they are hot and caring. What's worse, the court will reem you the worst on these people when you finally get rid of them, because they have no way of caring for themselves.
This is one of the BEST advice given in here in the last few weeks. And I agree 100%, I wouldn't even have sex with someone like that. It is beyond me how a "M"an would even lower himself to have sex with such low quality woman.
 

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niceguydying said:
Thanks for the great advice guys and especially you Francisco! Well since I am in law enforcement I know how it works. You can't just kick someone out that legally resides, especially your wife that is soon to be ex. As far as eviction goes I have a clause that she must vacate residence after 30 days when divorce is final. I went to attorneys office in April and had paperwork drawn up, but we both kind of dragged our feet. But now it is time to sign and get on with my life. I am all about protecting mine! Once again, thanks!
If you don't mind letting us know how you're progressing it could be beneficial to a lot of people. Too many times guys loose their sense of objectivity and logic when going through a breakup; even more so if it's a divorce. I believe focusing most of your efforts on your future development helps abate that while dealing with what had happened in the past to effect the present. That sounded like a line from "Back to the Future" didn't it? :p
 

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Francisco, I have no problem at all doing that! Funny thing was when I was starting this thread the other night, a women I had Oneitis for a couple of months ago called me. You know it was good that my Oneitis is over and I didn't pretty well while speaking to me, but she really had no reason to call me. Regardless, I will keep you updated on divorce and how it is affected me.
 

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niceguydying said:
I have been going through a divorce the last several months and it is ongoing. Soon to be ex still lives with me until divorce is final which makes it tougher. Half the time she is not even coming home. I pretty much figure she has a boyfriend, but I was the one that wanted the divorce. So I can't be all crappy about it. Which leads me to ask the mature folks out there the following:

I have good days and bad ones. I still love my wife but ultimately know that she and I are finished. Like I said, I initiated the divorce because she has an alcohol problem and wasn't treating me the way a PRIZE should be treated! I put up w/ her problem for about 5 years and she never got help. I do not feel like I am damaged goods by no means, I do not have issues that are hidden. I just can't seem to get out there and sarge though. Like tonight, it is Friday night and I am sitting here jockeying this keyboard.

Has anyone here gone through a similar incident?? I know right know that I am trying to be happy with myself, but it would be better if I got out more. Just not really up to it. I work, hit the gym and jockey the computer. I need some changes, huh?
I too am going through a divorce at this time.

Things that are effecting me and my mental frame.
It is hard to let go fully even after a long period of time.

The issues in my marriage was:
Wife got drunk most nights, her excuse she has a dependency on drugs, this is what she said.
She spent most of her time at a mates house (or so she says, I think other things where going on).
She had loads of male friends she met in bars, that made it plain they wanted to screw her.
She told me she was going to sleep at other guy’s house if I liked it or not, these where guys she worked with and had known them for around 4 months only.
She was abusive when drunk.
She was a cutter.
It all leads to LSE and bipedilor disorder that I have come across from this site.

I too had enough of it and initiated the break up! Too much to handle and life is too short to be unhappy with that type of person.

I knew I could not stay in the same house (shared mortgage) so I made a choice and packed my things and left, to live in a shared house. I have also cut contact with her, It has been about 7months now.
There is a problem with the house, she cant get the mortgage in her name until next April so until then she pays for the house and I try to keep the frame of no contact and trust she keeps up the payment’s, which to date as far as I am aware she has been doing.
Yes I know I could get solicitors involved to force a sale, but I am a decent person I feel and she really wants to keep the house, so I am willing to wait.

Ok the problem with me and how it is effecting my game so to say.
(I have slept with over 8 women since I left her seeing a HB at the moment also we are just friends that fu**).

I feel I could get far more but my impression of women is kind-a jaded, I still have a lot of anger and pain inside from all this, even after so long, yes it does effect my game since a lot of the time I am just not ars**d to put the effort in like I used to be.
(I have dated 5 women at once pre-marriage and slept with many).
Problem is women have lost there luster and shine now for me, I see no positive reason to be in a LTR at all, I am simply far happier single then I have ever been in ANY relationship (I have had 6 LTR in my life in total).
I have always been happier singe, if this makes sense and still for the love of god, I ask myself why did I get married, but it was a lesson learnt.

The problem is it has left a scar that simply was not there before and It effects my game A LOT, some nights are cool, others I cant help to feel like women should not be apart of my world anymore other then just for sex!
So many LTR and none of them with an happy ending.
I appreciate there is a view where life is a journey (this ideal helps a lot by the way) and I was meant to learn a lesson from this! But saying that it is hard to not feel scarred from a loving encounter, especially when you put your eggs in one basket and it turns out rotten.

Ok things that HAVE Helped.

Ok living in an house share has helped a lot, I have met new friends through this! New mates that are helping me to build up my new social life and tbh it is a pleasure, these guys are top guys.
I am seeing women when I see fit, or when they are free.

Having your own place or pad, is KEY, it is the only way to feel free.
You are lucky soon the house will be yours, it is a great job you don’t have kids, but all I know she still can claim on the property, I think it is under terms of: If she had not married you she would have her own home by now! So you may be forced to split it.

Also if you leave the property she can claim you abondonded her and did not want the house anyway, it was not that important to you, she can claim for it this way. Do not leave the house.

Just hang in there, it does get easier with time, time is a healer but after 7 months here I still have a scar that I hide.
In a year or two these feeling will be gone and then I can focus on maybe having another LTR, but with more understanding of problems and ideally be more clued up to the kind of women I should be letting into my life.

One of the reasons I visit this site, is I have a lot of experience to share, to help other guys ideally keep away from the fate I had for myself, I have very much learned the hard way, where as a lot of my mates have taken outside advice and are happy.

But saying that I don’t know one married couple that is deeply happy in truth, also one of the most successful relationships I know about, the guy is the main bread winner and the women is a stay at home nanny type.
The rest are either divorced or living unhappy.

So To me I would rather be single and happy then in a relationship and very very unhappy, that ideal keeps me strong.
And I was deeply unhappy in my marriage to the point of depression my self (she suffered form this since a very young age), I never get depression so I know something had to be done.

Keep strong.

There is nothing more important in this world then your own defining happiness and the need to feel joy in life.
Everything should be geared towards that state, if it is not, then you only have yourself to blame.
Life is good! <<<<<<<<< I swear by those 3 words and I live my life by them.
But my kind nature also becomes my ultimate downfall, but eventually the above ideal has to take precedence.

Also on of the biggest things that was hard to let go was the house, i had laid a foundation now that is gone.

But it was not in a conveniant place for me and when i ask myself the question:
What was i laying a foundation down for?
The only answer i can come up with, is to start a family.

Now that is gone there was no need to hold on to something materialistic, my own happiness was and is far more important, i took a choice and i dont regret it.

I will cross the family bridge when i come to it.

and yes i do miss the good times we had but deep down i know it will never work and going back will only result in me being very unhappy again. Somethings you cant forgive we just have to accept it did not work and move on, even if it is very hard to do.
 

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I've been away from the forum for the last several months, so I just came across this post. How did the divorce proceedings turn out?

I went through a divorce back in 2000. My marriage came crumbling down in late 1998, and I spent 1999 trying to put myself back together. I was in counseling and on meds, and on top of that, I was trying really hard to justify not dropping out of grad school at that time. That year was hell. I had very few positive experiences and I was a wreck most of the time. I didn't drop out of school (although I disappeared from campus for a week at the end of the spring semester that year). I had some contact with my ex in that time, and while we weren't exactly on friendly terms, we weren't at each other's throats. For several months, my personal hell cost me a few friendships, which I managed to rekindle after a while.

However, since my gut told me that it was over (although I was still holding out trying to save the thing), I slowly started moving on. I dated a little, but nothing serious. I wasn't in any shape to date, anyway.

But by the end of 1999, I was feeling a different person. The divorce wasn't final until June 2000, and it really took until then to be back to normal. The counseling and meds helped a lot and I stopped both when the divorce was final. Oh, I sued my ex about a year later, but that's another story for another day (but the split was ultimately very amicable). After the divorce, I got into a serious relationship that lasted for a couple of years. It went south, too, but because she moved back home (overseas).

I have no contact with my ex-wife (and haven't in about five years). Throughout the 18 months of being separated (to the final drop of ink on the divorce papers), I noticed distinct phases in my mood; basically, the 12 steps of the grieving process. There were days I was a complete zombie and other days I was normal. The meds helped keep me normal. It wasn't until a couple of months before the divorce that I was really able to start functioning in my hobbies (like the gym). Prior to that, I had to put all my energy in coping and my studies (I did complete my graduate studies and graduated with in 2002).

The reasons for the demise of my marriage are like anyone else's. But I could have spared myself all this trouble if I paid attention to the red flags that I noticed (but ignored) early on in the relationship (we date for about 4 years before we got married). Since then, I haven't had much luck finding anyone suitable, except the one I dated right after my divorce. Recovering from that relationship was a lot tougher, but I did it without meds or counseling and the recover took much longer (it seems like most of my peers don't have this problem--they move on immediately).

Anyway, I hope you're in better shape now than I was back then.
 

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Dude....been there done that.

Honestly...right now you need to just start building up yourself. It's hard as hell at first I know...took me like 6 months to just leave the house after my divorce.

But when your ready, read the DJ bible and work your way into it. If your a shy guy that is like I am. It's really helped me out tons, most of my friends tell me I'm not even the same guy from 3 years ago.

If your not a shy guy, then just start at the conversation part of the DJ bible and go from there.

Best of luck to you though man, I know it can be hard as hell.

I live around the ATL too man, where abouts are you?
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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NiceGuy I have a radical theory about divorce. You only feel bad about it because society said the marriage is supposed to last. Otherwise its just an LTR, and no more than one. That is, if there are no children, as in your situation.

If you are in law enforcement like a cop or something, then you should be well acclimatized to the idea of getting divorced. Once she goes, things will improve mightily. Soon you'll be thinking of getting married again, and then, if you aren't crazy, you won't.

So I suggest that you take out your nightstick and give it a work out on the first woman who presents herself.
 

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So...you own the house. And it is going to be yours even after the divorce.

You have no children.

She STILL lives in the house. And is NOT doing any effort trying to find a new place.

She goes out and phucks all she wants.


Now...why is she the one having fun? Why not you? You have no children. You have the house (so, you don't have to move out). And you are a "man".


So, what's holding you back? Certaintly NOT the weights between your legs as you might actually be ball-less.
 
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