Discontent Towards Boomers

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Yeah right

Bellow you can see the average real cost of attending college for the full period ( without the scholarships )

Glad that we settled that you are nothing more than a troll ( not even one with a college degree ) :)

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“While Princeton University in New Jersey, for instance, advertised a sticker price of $57,410 for tuition and fees in 2022-2023, the average cost to students after receiving need-based grants that year was about $17,464.”

Most likely if you are a good student you can drop that to 10k or slightly under
You clearly stated $5,000 a year and then shared a post that thoroughly disproves your assertion. My annual rent and utilities, even when splitting them with three roommates, amounted to approximately $10,000. At my school, you are required to live on campus for freshman year or commute(20k per semester). Thus, your attempt to create a straw man argument is not even worth addressing. Additionally, the cost of books, including the professors' scheme of pushing new editions for some code, added another $5,000. Furthermore, you must also depend on scholarships to support your straw man argument. College degrees aren’t bad, the system is just predatory and morally reprehensible. If you disagree then why don’t you just revoke your degree and become a truck driver then? It is easier to make such preposterous claims from an office chair in an AC environment.
 

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You clearly stated $5,000 a year and then shared a post that thoroughly disproves your assertion. My annual rent and utilities, even when splitting them with three roommates, amounted to approximately $10,000. At my school, you are required to live on campus for freshman year or commute(20k per semester). Thus, your attempt to create a straw man argument is not even worth addressing. Additionally, the cost of books, including the professors' scheme of pushing new editions for some code, added another $5,000. Furthermore, you must also depend on scholarships to support your straw man argument. College degrees aren’t bad, the system is just predatory and morally reprehensible. If you disagree then why don’t you just revoke your degree and become a truck driver then? It is easier to make such preposterous claims from an office chair in an AC environment.
You can always buy the book from the guys more senior than you. No one will ask you to show them the book. 5k for books lol

I think I bought 2 or 3 books my entire college life ( and those 2nd hand ) . I do not know anyone buying more books than that. I would photocopy the rest if I had to. The photocopiers nearby have all the books already photocopied at a fraction of the price if you really want to have the books . I know many that did not buy sh1t


Plenty of public universities that are 5k or under ( before any type of scholarships ) . The average is 6.7k ( before any type of scholarships ) at national level for going to a public uni ( in state )



You should be banned for being a big troll :)
 
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You can always buy the book from the guys more senior than you. No one will ask you to show them the book. 5k for books lol
no you cannot. Professors will have you do their assignments and tests through an electronic site which requires an access code from the newest text book edition. I am still having trouble finding out where a US student can attend a university for only 5k a year including other costs besides tuition?
 

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Professors will have you do their assignments and tests through an electronic site which requires an access code from the newest text book edition.
That's new. I didn't have to deal with that in undergraduate or graduate school during the 2000s.
 

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no you cannot. Professors will have you do their assignments and tests through an electronic site which requires an access code from the newest text book edition. I am still having trouble finding out where a US student can attend a university for only 5k a year including other costs besides tuition?
I said that the tuition is 5k plus whatever it costs you to live there, don’t change the subject :)
 

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That's new. I didn't have to deal with that in undergraduate or graduate school during the 2000s.
That’s bullsh1t. I did my masters at BU a couple of years back and it was not like that at all

Have friends that graduated from other reputable universities in the last couple of years or are now enrolled in a masters degree. Same thing

Maximum you have to do some simulations if you get a degree in business, but the simulation is like 50-60 dollars and you do like 1-2 per year at most

This guy is just a troll :)
 

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no you cannot. Professors will have you do their assignments and tests through an electronic site which requires an access code from the newest text book edition. I am still having trouble finding out where a US student can attend a university for only 5k a year including other costs besides tuition?
Because here in the US the universities host their own online testing and online facilities independent of the book publishers. Its usually a platform caller Canvas. Also PDFs of all the latest editions of books are available online for those who know where to look. Often teachers also provide the relevant chapters to the class via PDF.

The book publishers are powerful here but sounds like they have you guys locked down.
 

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Boomers have had a lot of good opportunities, but I don't exactly fault them for exploiting them, as many younger people would have gladly done the same in a similar situation. The people who were in power of major institutions during the boomer's youth were Silent generation and older, given this, one could make an argument that the pre-boomer generations got the ball rolling downhill, and the boomers and older gen X are just the last ones to experience the "good times" before things gradually got worse. That is just my theory though. My life is too short for me to waste time griping about older people for merely existing.
 

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no you cannot. Professors will have you do their assignments and tests through an electronic site which requires an access code from the newest text book edition. I am still having trouble finding out where a US student can attend a university for only 5k a year including other costs besides tuition?
Smaller Universities can be almost be that cheap, on the condition that you commute to campus, do not pay for housing, and have a light class load. You will inevitably spend several hundred dollars on various access codes for online textbook assignments though. The access codes and online subscriptions ruined the used textbook market.
 

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Boomers have had a lot of good opportunities, but I don't exactly fault them for exploiting them, as many younger people would have gladly done the same in a similar situation. The people who were in power of major institutions during the boomer's youth were Silent generation and older, given this, one could make an argument that the pre-boomer generations got the ball rolling downhill, and the boomers and older gen X are just the last ones to experience the "good times" before things gradually got worse. That is just my theory though. My life is too short for me to waste time griping about older people for merely existing.
Every civilization is going to have its apex and you can't blame people for being born at the right time, they have no control over that. But you can hold them accountable for being sandy-headed aholes about it, and we're going to need people on the same page and not pointing fingers if we're going to work our way out of this mess we're in.
 

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I said that the tuition is 5k plus whatever it costs you to live there, don’t change the subject :)
Public universities are like 5k a year for the degree and like 10 a year for masters from which you deduct scholarships
 

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Public universities are like 5k a year for the degree and like 10 a year for masters from which you deduct scholarships
We were talking about tuitions, which was quite clear :)

You still have to pay where to live no matter what, unless you are cool with living with your parents. Guess what, being independent costs money no matter if you pursue a degree or not

So which one of the extras should we add to your mix? a troll we all know you are

a) autistic
b) mentally deficient
 

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We were talking about tuitions, which was quite clear :)

You still have to pay where to live no matter what, unless you are cool with living with your parents. Guess what, being independent costs money no matter if you pursue a degree or not

So which one of the extras should we add to your mix? a troll we all know you are

a) autistic
b) mentally deficient
Read the post you responded to with your 5k flop theory. Where do you see tuition specifically and only mentioned at? My post clearly is talking about the total cost of getting a degree or becoming a skilled tradesman. Time to own up and admit defeat.

My point is that a degree in philosophy, a degree in mechanical engineering, or even a degree in underwater basket weaving...all require a significant upfront investment of money and time. I have a marketable degree in an in-demand industry, so I may not fully understand the experiences of someone who majored in History or a similar field. Should only those with wealthy parents have the opportunity to attend college, while everyone else is left with limited options? Even to pursue a career as an electrician, you must invest in education and dedicate time to training. According to this criterion, unless you have the financial resources (for schooling and apprenticeship) and can cover the income lost during the training period, you might feel compelled to work at places like Kroger and hope for career advancement opportunities, even without a degree.
 

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Gen X'er Aaron Clarey craps on Boomer Dads here....

 

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Id argue that the generation before the boomers were the worst parents. Most of them held pre-modern traditionalist views in a changing world, ptsd from wars, and of course the racism.
This is an interesting idea that needs some refinement.

You could be arguing about the GI Generation (1910s-early 1920s birth and generally the parents of earlier Boomers) or the Silent Generation (late 1920s-1945 births). Silent Generation parents had children that were either late Boomers, but were more commonly parents of the first 1/2 to 2/3rds of Generation X.

In terms of wars fought, the GI Generation was most commonly associated with fighting World War II. The earlier Silents fought in the Korean War and the later Silents fought in the Vietnam War.

Pre-modern traditionalist views would be more associated with the GI Generation than the Silent Generation. The Silent Generation was rapidly modernizing, as I'll expand upon in the next paragraph after some quick contextual thoughts. The Silent Generation gets a bit ignored in generational theory discussions for their contributions simply because it was a smaller generation. The core of the Silent Generation was born in the 1930s during a time of low fertility due to the Great Depression. People didn't want to have kids during the Great Depression because kids cost money and money was scarce during the Great Depression.

The Silent Generation was influential in following modernization trends....
  • The birth control pill, growth in use of all contraception methods, and promiscuity
  • No fault divorce
  • Women entering the workplace in less traditionally female roles
The birth control pill launched in 1960. In 1960, the oldest Boomers were 14 years old. During most of the 1960s, the women using birth control pills were women who were members of the Silent Generation (1930s-early 1940s births). It really wasn't until the 1970s that more of the women using the birth control pill were Baby Boomers. Although the Silent Generation were the first users of birth control, their small size in numbers gets them overlooked in the birth control discussion.

The original use case for birth control was for established, monogamous couples to delay a pregnancy, but the younger Silents were starting to use it to be a little more promiscuous. The promiscuity of most women born in the late 1930s-1945 cannot be reasonably compared to women of later generation, though they really started the trend.

California became the first US state to have liberalized, no fault divorce laws starting in 1969. During the 1970s, most other US states liberalized their divorce laws following the model of California.

In the 1969-1975 era, most Boomers were either too young to be married or were in the earliest stages of marriage and yet to be unhappy enough to want to divorce. The earliest people who got divorced under the new, no-fault divorce laws were people from the Silent Generation. Once again, a modernization trend is started by the Silent Generation but truly gets associated with the Boomers due to the lack of size of the Silents.

With more divorce and more birth control/contraception and less emphasis on family life due to burgeoning Second Wave Feminism of the 1960s, more women starting entering the workplace in typically more masculine white collar roles. The first women to do this were Silent Generation women but the trend really accelerated in the early 1970s, when the oldest of the Boomer women were old enough to have entered the workplace and were starting to go to college and get bachelor's degrees in larger numbers.

Some of the best fictionalized portrayals of younger, Silent Generation adults occurred in the TV show "Mad Men". The classic Silent Generation characters in that show were Joan Holloway (b. 1931), Peter Campbell (b. 1934), and Peggy Olson (b. 1939).
 

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This is an interesting idea that needs some refinement.

You could be arguing about the GI Generation (1910s-early 1920s birth and generally the parents of earlier Boomers) or the Silent Generation (late 1920s-1945 births). Silent Generation parents had children that were either late Boomers, but were more commonly parents of the first 1/2 to 2/3rds of Generation X.

In terms of wars fought, the GI Generation was most commonly associated with fighting World War II. The earlier Silents fought in the Korean War and the later Silents fought in the Vietnam War.

Pre-modern traditionalist views would be more associated with the GI Generation than the Silent Generation. The Silent Generation was rapidly modernizing, as I'll expand upon in the next paragraph after some quick contextual thoughts. The Silent Generation gets a bit ignored in generational theory discussions for their contributions simply because it was a smaller generation. The core of the Silent Generation was born in the 1930s during a time of low fertility due to the Great Depression. People didn't want to have kids during the Great Depression because kids cost money and money was scarce during the Great Depression.
Yeah, I mainly talking about the GI generation. When I think of your typical violent alcoholic PSTD ridden dad like Jennie's in forest gump, I picture GI generation.
 

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Yeah, I mainly talking about the GI generation. When I think of your typical violent alcoholic PSTD ridden dad like Jennie's in forest gump, I picture GI generation.
On the whole, I think the GI Generation had more positive contributions than negative ones. I think there are valid critiques of the parenting of the GI Generation towards their mainly Boomer children.

In "Forrest Gump", neither Jenny nor Forrest Gump were Baby Boomers. Both were late Silent Generation. Jenny was born in 1945 in the last year of the Silent Generation and Forrest Gump was likely born in 1944 or 1945. People born in 1942-1945 would have shared some commonality with the earliest of Boomers (1946-1949 births) but would not have had a full Boomer experience.
 

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On the whole, I think the GI Generation had more positive contributions than negative ones. I think there are valid critiques of the parenting of the GI Generation towards their mainly Boomer children.
What positive & negative contributions do think they contributed
 
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