Direct Game Vs Indirect Game

[Solomon]

Ok so the argument goes back and forth, which game is better direct or indirect? they both have their pro's and con's lets break it down

Indirect Game
1. Neutralizes your Target--Meaning, that you are not coming off to strong, usually this helps when you trying to calibrate your Target's frame/body language/vibe

2. Come of as less threating--Just watch any Meehow Video's and how he goes into a set with his "indirect" openers, he is able to hold the set and not get blown out because he is not a "threat"

3. It builds Rapport--usually indirect you can go in building rapport, and maybe find a connection

Direct game

1. Your being upfront--with direct game, there is no game really, you are letting her know what it is, there is no "read between the lines" ****

2. Your confident--if you do the approach right, you will be looked at as confident, and what women doesn't get turned on by that?

3. You can be more sexual-compared to indirect, it will be more congruent


Now both games have they cons

for instance if you go indirect, typically women can tell, and she might think you are not confident and you get blown out (this is the problem with all these pua guys running around now, women can tell) if you go direct she might think you are coming on too strong

so what game is the best?

IMO, its a mixture of both

thoughts?

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

Nah, i'd say Direct doesn't work well with being fully indirect. It ruins its flow. Since u open direct, why even go indirect after? There's incongruency there. U reveal ur intent, now ur tryin to fly under the radar? Its not even necessary. But i'd say what would work fine is, u open indirect BUT u'r body language and subcommunication is all direct. Ur still being direct, as she knows what ur really doing when ur looking at her. Once u got direct down, doing this aint hard. Most guys will argue "They why not be indirect?" Well because their body language and subcommunication will be off, plus even still she needs to hear ur statement of intent as soon as possible..for it to still be effective.

More CONS:

Indirect:
-U only progress when she shows interest. So its dependent upon her.
-Harder to close with, since most women will open well to indirect since ur being friendly and nonthreatening BUT it gets harder when u finally reveal ur actual intent and try to close her.
-Some already know ur delaying showing interest
-u can lose time if they never were interested, just being friendly. Its like "I wasted 20 minutes for nothing"

Direct:
-Not for the weak, u have to have a strong will
-Will get rejected more at first, because most guys got to learn to have a warm vibe with them...which takes practice.
-Takes longer to get good at. Calibration.
-Can be seen as the player time which could put up a defense in some women initially.
-Can overwhelm a woman, attractively. Some are so attracted but were so affected that they eject cuz its too much for them. This doesn't apply to when they see you again and are smiling at you. ;-)

But all in all, direct seems to have more advantages. For one, its better that a girl think ur too strong than not strong enough. cuz even if she thinks ur too strong, u can tone it down....where if ur not strong enough...she knows ur afraid OR even if she resists, she's still turned on by ur dominance. Secondly, when ur direct....it feels right. Ur not having to hide anything, u don't care of rejection and u just go with the flow.

Third, even if she may sense ur a player, deep down women are attracted to a guy who're good with women...even if she resists that thought in her mind first. Fourthly, ur not reliant upon a girl's interest. U assume that there's interest off the bat and keep moving forward if she's still there talking to you as she already know ur into her, its ON already. Fifth, what women wouldn't get turned on like this? Its amazing seeing their reactions and how swept off their feet they are. Sixth, ***** shields are no concern in direct. U got such a good frame, that it won't matter to u. U know its false and assume she's still interested

 

[Metaphysical]

doesn't matter man. use what works for you. direct, indirect, whatever.

i would rather have you be upfront and confident in yourself enough to tell a woman that you would like to hang out with her and get to know her. you shouldn't blow her head up at the same time, calling her beautiful or gorgeous.

indirect also has problems. most folks who use it will beat around the bush and end up in the friends zone a lot. its also more feminine way to do it and less masculine.

a man will walk up to a woman who is attracted to him and make his interests clear. he will take her arm, lead her through the experience and then sleep with her.

it doesnt matter if he is direct or not, it's about being masculine and being a leader

 

[slaog]

Let them know you're interested but also let them know you're checking them out, you're the prize and you have other options.

 

[chinwaggler]

If you are direct but hold your frame then you can get past their initial resistance.

A girl told me within a few seconds of me saying hello she was seeing someone. I later found out she only said that because I was 'another guy hitting on her', but I ignored it, carried on, showed her a good time and later ended up in her bedroom.

 

[Snow Plowman]

Interesting thread...

I'm more of a Indirect Direct

I don't approach women direct nor do I ever really verbalize my interest in ****ing them...It's all subcommunicated, to the chick it's SO OBVIOUS that this is sexual and I'm interested. For her she knows this is her chance to show me why she's better than all the other women out there...

Generally all my sets open and because I escalate instantly and so quickly there is no way I can get into the friend zone. I had realized when trying direct it was incongruent because majority of times I didn't actually want the girl yet because just she was cute of DOABLE didn't mean I would actually go for her.

Although I've had some success with direct and indirect...I like to go indirect and actually show that I want her through my sub-communication. Even though going DIRECT is super powerful once you get it down I don't enjoy the experience as much as I do when I'm indrect-Direct because I can just have fun knowing I'm going to ****, where direct I'm actually getting this HIGH/RUSH from actually pursuing so relentlessly which chicks love.

 

[Solomon]

Interesting thread...

I'm more of a Indirect Direct

I don't approach women direct nor do I ever really verbalize my interest in ****ing them...It's all subcommunicated, to the chick it's SO OBVIOUS that this is sexual and I'm interested. For her she knows this is her chance to show me why she's better than all the other women out there...

Generally all my sets open and because I escalate instantly and so quickly there is no way I can get into the friend zone. I had realized when trying direct it was incongruent because majority of times I didn't actually want the girl yet because just she was cute of DOABLE didn't mean I would actually go for her.

Although I've had some success with direct and indirect...I like to go indirect and actually show that I want her through my sub-communication. Even though going DIRECT is super powerful once you get it down I don't enjoy the experience as much as I do when I'm indrect-Direct because I can just have fun knowing I'm going to ****, where direct I'm actually getting this HIGH/RUSH from actually pursuing so relentlessly which chicks love.

can you give exampls, on you "sub-communicating"?

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

Its better to overanalyze and get further than to not analyze and be stuck.

At the high school level, kids between 15-18. Ive noticed most girls become creeped out by guys that hit them with direct game to strongly.

From my experience, they've responded very well....just that they're jailbait. Did the guys actually DIRECT approach them effectively? Most guys can't do it for a sh1t. I'm not joking.

 

[guywhoneedshelp]

Well if I'm in the mall, and the girl is walking away, I'm gonna go direct. Then maybe when I "get a closer look at her" I'll give her the neg.

Phone calls should always start indirect.

 

[Lexington]

Direct game gets to the point and is far less time consuming. The problem with indirect game is that initially, if you come off as merely friendly and not romantically interested, there is no sexual tension. The girl might not be amenable to you all of a sudden trying to turn it on. Building rapport does not necessarily equal building attraction.

On the other hand, with direct game you're letting your intentions be known right away. If she doesn't like it, you can move on quickly instead of spending a great deal of time working a girl only to find that she's not interested.

Direct game doesn't necessarily mean that you are explicit in your intentions. You can be B.S.ing about the weather etc. but you convey your intentions through body language, eye contact, kino and tone of voice etc.

 

[Lexington]

can you give exampls, on you "sub-communicating"?

Check the Gunwitch Method in the tips forum. Basically, you sub-communicate through non-verbal communication. Don't explicitly tell the girl you want sex and don't even talk about sex.

If you approach the girl in a horny state of mind, she will subconsciously pickup on the cues. You'll look at her with bedroom eyes, you'll talk to her in a deep, bedroom voice and you'll touch her more sensually. Because she picks up these sexual signals subconsciously, she'll think that the lust she feels is of her own making.

 

[Solomon]

Check the Gunwitch Method in the tips forum. Basically, you sub-communicate through non-verbal communication. Don't explicitly tell the girl you want sex and don't even talk about sex.

If you approach the girl in a horny state of mind, she will subconsciously pickup on the cues. You'll look at her with bedroom eyes, you'll talk to her in a deep, bedroom voice and you'll touch her more sensually. Because she picks up these sexual signals subconsciously, she'll think that the lust she feels is of her own making.

I'm gonna try this, it should be more then feasbile espeically after a couple drinks..... :yes:

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

+1 Lexington.

 

[rushing dude 123]

I think it depends on the person, the situation, the girl. quite a lot of things, u guys can say one is better than the other, do u know why that is. because what works for u dosn't work for me and might not work for next guy. Everyone has there own style. U guys said that opening direct then going indirect dosn't do to well, but that is my style and i do good with that.

Don't mean to b more phylosiphical and ****, but also depends on ur perception of direct. For me its not "hey baby, yo shake that booty girl....whats ur number" (and yes that actually works for people has well), but just "hey there i just had to meet u"

or

RD: Hey i had to talk to u, u got a very interesting look about u and i am just curious to know bit more, in exchange ill give u the presence of my awesomeness.... jk lol, so tell me whats with this stance u have here r u posing just for me? (camera imitation with hands) oo give me angry
HB: slaps me in face

haha so yeh something like that, don't think it will go that bad though and of course ill let her speack has well and adapt it to what she responds.

Also u need a lot of follow up game, because quite a few girls will give u a bad attitude, but u need the ability to plow through it.

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

U probably have the direct body language that goes with the indirect lines. Thats why she's still into it. She knows wat ur subcommunication is truly saying ;-). I'm saying u open direct, but then u do flat out indirect which can give off problems.

 

[rushing dude 123]

Hey DJC, Good to see ur still here, kinda ironic seeing u were the one who had helped me bit on my search for direct game in past, but with the research i have been doing i feel its something else, u could b right. But I have discovered if ur comfortable with what ur doing, then more than often she would. Thats why its important to find ur own style that feels right to u. Because when u feel awkward she feels awkward when ur nervous she feels nervous and when u feel comfortable with ur approach she feels comfortable. So regardless of how shes opened and how its continued it will feel right to her. I state my interest and i choose to get to know her bit more and c what type of person she is.

Theres pros and cons for all methods, i can name cons for vice versia and pros for my method. For example pros to direct to indirect method
* can come across unique if done right.
* states interest and then moves on so she isn't thinking alright i know what he wants and i know his trying it on with me even though he is trying to hide his intentions.
* he actually wants to talk to me its not bish bash bosh done.
* he is confident.

Takes strengths of both methods. This works for me, but i can understand ur reasoning, u would think if u go in direct and then indirect u would b sending her wrong signals, But yeh ur right DJC, ur body language says a lot more than ur words ever could, once u have the core the body language will do most the work, so why does it matter how they r opened u r telling them the right things either way.

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

^Ironic, yessir. lol. Good stuff man . I agree, use whichever method has u feel most comfortable. But on the "Why should it matter on opening?" Oh its because in opening, it still takes balls to flat out say what u want to say, which most guys can't do. Girls still love hearing the opening line that is direct. Just in conversation, they have more time to understand wats going on...that ur into her sexually/romantically i'd say

 

[rushing dude 123]

true but u can learn a lot more about a guy from the second thing he says rather than the first and thats more important, think about one is planned the other u have to improvise and says a lot more about ur character. But yes the opener is still important because if u don't open u can't talk to her and better to hope uniquelly and confident lol. Different situations cause for different methods for urself, sometimes i open indirect and it works wonders, but only when it feels right. Dam just had deja vu with this post lol. But me and u r not really contradicting just expanding the variables and i think we can do this for forever lol.

 

[Sandow]

You want to do Indirect game first, then when you get IOI's, switch to Direct game to "go in for the kill."

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

thats the biggest problem, ur waiting for IOIs when going indirect. Sometimes the IOIs won't ever come unless u express urs first.

Caring is creepy

I'd say caring WAY TOO MUCH is creepy. Caring is expected in the game since we're human ;-)