dilemma: need advice

jaross

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I have tried to make bold the most important information.

ok, some backround first. I found intellectual*****s.com about 5 months ago. Did some reading and talking in the forums there, got my first kiss, first date, and so on. I am a sophomore in college. I definatly dont have much expeirance, although all considering, the IW forums I think, gave me a jumpstart. I would be on the IW forums now, but they are down.


More specific backround:
I was friends with this girl last semmister. She had a boyfirend, and overall, I wasnt too attracted to her anyway. The bigining of the summer they broke up. I hung out with her quite a bit considering we lived 3 hours away from eachother this summer. She would call me drunk quite often and say things like "I love you". Asside from that, I started to get other more obvious signs of attraction from her (inviting me to passout in her bed with her, giving eachother backrubs, her wanting to play spin the bottle and so on. I kinda took my time making my move. I dont catch on to the signs of attraction too easly. Anyhow, we came back to school the saterday before last. The advice I was given on the IW forums, was that it sounded like she was trying to set me up to be her boyfirend for this semmister, and that I didnt need to worry a lot about game anymore. anyway, that night (saterday night) I made my move. We made out for a while, and it was definatly the best makeout session I have ever had. I think I have actually gotten pretty decent at it. The next night, we went and smoked hooka and just chilled.

Monday night, we get drunk, I lose my keys, she invites me to stay at her place. we get back, she asks if I want to snuggle. We start talking about things, and I think she was the one to make the first move that night. I know for a fact that if I had been more expeiranced we probably could have had sex. I got her shirt off, and some licking action there and that was as far as we got. We made out for quite a while, and I think she realized that it wasnt going to go anywhere and she suggested we go to bed. The next day, she was gitty. I gave her a kiss, and we went off to classes. Apparently, that night, she came by my place, but I wasnt there (my roomate told me). The next night same thing. I was just out hanging out with frineds. I called her on wednesday. Nothing really important for either of us to say. Over the week, we would see eachother occationally very briefly, she would be flirty/give me hugs. Friday night, we hung out in a big group and drank. She didnt pay much attention to me (similar to the night I spent in her bed, hoever, I just didnt seem right). I stuck around with a few people, and eventually, she just said goodnight and shut her door on us. She would usually call me quite a bit, however not so much this past week (could just be that she had to get used to working again and school).

Summed up if your lazy; We made out one night, then 2 nights later, almost had sex. She seemed happy in the morning, I kissed her and we parted ways to go to our classes but; aside from hugging me when we ran into each other on campus, not much happened between us the next week.

now the delema This Monday night (a week since I spent the night at her place) we were all drinking with our usual group of friends. We ended up walking back to campus together. I mentioned to her that “last Monday you told me I could spend the night at your place any time I wanted, and I really don’t want to wake up my roommate (we don’t know each other that well).” She said that she was really tired and had soccer in the morning at 9:00 and really just wanted to get some sleep. That’s reasonable, but I was drunk and kind of got a little whiney. I went to give her a goodnight kiss, and I think she though I was trying to get in her bed still. I just wanted to give her a goodnight kiss. Anyhow, I got cheek, then lips, then chin. Then she ran off and said something like “why are you pressuring me”. I felt horrible. What have I done? That night she was still flirting with me and would respond when I flirted back. Is it too late now? Did I blow it? Lastnight her roommate (who I am friends with) told me that she had told her (the roommate) that she was going to call me. I never got a call. I saw her today and I asked her what the deal was. She said she would call me tonight.

What should I say on the phone? I feel like telling her how bad I feel about the other night first and foremost. I am to terms with the fact that she will probably say something to the extent that we should just be friends, but is there anything I could say that might change that? Any other suggestions? I am going to suggest that have this talk in person. I am a very upfront person and I think it would really help to do this in person.
 

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She said she would call me tonight.

What should I say on the phone?
Don't waste time thinking about that. She's not going to call you tonight.

Any bets?

But if you do talk to her, don't apologize for being a little klutzy. There's nothing to apologize for. Any other 19 year old she meets is going to be about as inexperienced as you. Chicks don't like to hear apologies, unless it's for a major crime.

If she says you should be friends, you can push the issue by saying "NO". As in "no, I don't want to hang out with you without touching you, let's just not see eachother anymore."
 

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Phyzzle said:
Don't waste time thinking about that. She's not going to call you tonight.

Any bets?

But if you do talk to her, don't apologize for being a little klutzy. There's nothing to apologize for. Any other 19 year old she meets is going to be about as inexperienced as you. Chicks don't like to hear apologies, unless it's for a major crime.

If she says you should be friends, you can push the issue by saying "NO". As in "no, I don't want to hang out with you without touching you, let's just not see eachother anymore."

you kidding? I feel like I need some serous catchup for my age. I didnt even kiss a girl until last semister.

and I know appologizing is no good, but im still tempted to tell her how I feel about it, because im not to happy with what happened myself, and if I was sober, I dont think I would have done it that way.

also, she told her roomate she was going to call me. you know, they have their girl talk and ****... why would she do that if she wasnt planning on calling me?
 

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Hey Jaross,

You're sweet. :)
Okay, here's something that might just work...
She probably won't call tonight, but if she does, don't pick up the telephone.
Don't ask to speak to her again, don't call her.
Wait it out. Play it cool.
Even if she doesn't call tonight, she'll be back at a later date, perhaps a couple of weeks.
Then she'll ask you how you've been....and at this point you tell her that you've had a great couple of days/weeks...that you met a cute chick (somewhere) who asked you out for coffee, and you think you want to see the girl again.
This flaky girl (who probably won't call tonight) will start wondering what she's missing, and if she sees that you can live without her, she'll respect you more.

Good luck!
 

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cutesusie said:
Hey Jaross,

You're sweet. :)
Okay, here's something that might just work...
She probably won't call tonight, but if she does, don't pick up the telephone.
Don't ask to speak to her again, don't call her.
Wait it out. Play it cool.
Even if she doesn't call tonight, she'll be back at a later date, perhaps a couple of weeks.
Then she'll ask you how you've been....and at this point you tell her that you've had a great couple of days/weeks...that you met a cute chick (somewhere) who asked you out for coffee, and you think you want to see the girl again.
This flaky girl (who probably won't call tonight) will start wondering what she's missing, and if she sees that you can live without her, she'll respect you more.

Good luck!
thanks for the advice, but a few problems:

shes in my circle fo friends.

Campus it to small to not see someone for 2 weeks

Also, I dont see why she would tell her friend/roomate that she wanted to talk to me and then not call me. She didnt tell her roomate to tell me that she was going to call, I asked her...
 

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well, she called. we had a conversation that went around in circles and got nowhere. She kept saying "I liked it more when we were just friends," and "This past week has just been weird" and I kept saying "I dont think that I could be just friends after what has happened" and "Its only weird if we make it weird. I wasnt sure what was going on, but since it was weird for both pf us, we are on the same page, and as long as we communicate, I dont see why it needs to be that way." We agreed that we didnt need to decide right away, and we would just flow with it. I asked her what she though was better and all I got out of her was "well, if I said we would just be friends then it seems like you wouldnt talk to me anymore." I didnt deny that. It would be pretty damn hard, just from hearing the storeis from intellectual*****s.com and so on.

It seems like she still likes me, but in defense of some sort of fear, wants to be just friends. Any suggestions, or should I just ignore her and foreget about her now??
 

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she was in heat

Sucks you wern't in your room when she came by...

I put 5 dollars she was in heat when you guys made out...
As well as the next 2 days that she came by...
Yes heat... Now she's PMSing (inifertile) and doesn't want anymore ****.
Her subconcious is saying fvck off.
Google the "female menstruation cycle"
Here is the cycle - words in red I added in...
http://womenaredogs.ytmnd.com

Wait till she's "wet", or fertile, lol, and start flirting with her again.
Ignore her till then, and if you do run into her act busy.
You want her to vaule your time...
 

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Scorched said:
Sucks you wern't in your room when she came by...

I put 5 dollars she was in heat when you guys made out...
As well as the next 2 days that she came by...
Yes heat... Now she's PMSing (inifertile) and doesn't want anymore ****.
Her subconcious is saying fvck off.
Google the "female menstruation cycle"
Here is the cycle - words in red I added in...
http://womenaredogs.ytmnd.com

Wait till she's "wet", or fertile, lol, and start flirting with her again.
Ignore her till then, and if you do run into her act busy.
You want her to vaule your time...
humm, you sure that is the case?

I mean, it makes sense, she does seem more moodey then usual
 

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Don't try to CONVINCE her to want to be with you. Attraction is an emotional thing, so arguments like "it doesn't have to be wierd unless we make it" and that whole conversation, cut that stuff out. Appeal to her emotions.

She says she liked it more when you were just friends, then fine. Don't chase her around. Don't be a little puppy dog. Don't be available all the time. Play it cool. When you are around her (in your little circle) be an awesome dude. Be whatever it is about you that women like. Be funny, or charming, or whatever it is that works for you.

You can still flirt with her a little here and there, and you can also ignore her here and there (you aren't dating her, so these are both completely fine things to do, right?)

Once she sees that you're a great dude with good qualities AND that you don't NEED her, she'll be interested again.

Cause right now you're making yourself super available (and maybe a bit needy), and putting all the decisions in her court. Just lay back and play it cool.
 
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