Difference between PUAs and DJs?

[DumbBell80]

While most of the material that's available on the topic of attracting women is made by Pickup Artists (PUAs), sosuave refers to the ultimate womanizer as a Don Juan (DJ). I just want to know if there is any difference in the mindsets of a PUA and a DJ and if their methods of gaming are the same or not.

 

[Poon King]

PUA's are men who use lies and manipulation to con women into dating and f*cking them. DJ's are men who accept the "red pill" and live according to their own rules 24/7 without giving a sh!t if woman like it or not. This indifference and inner strength/purpose makes them more attractive to woman by default.

The main difference is the goal. For PUA's the goal is women. For DJ's the goal is being the best man you can be.

 

[weaponx]

PUA's are men who use lies and manipulation to con women into dating and f*cking them. DJ's are men who accept the "red pill" and live according to their own rules 24/7 without giving a sh!t if woman like it or not. This indifference and inner strength/purpose makes them more attractive to woman by default.

The main difference is the goal. For PUA's the goal is women. For DJ's the goal is being the best man you can be.

Wrong again.

PUA's use lies and manipulation to attract dudes into thinking they date and fvck women. The only ones who get "fvcked" by PUA con artists are the foreveralones who think learning saying just the right words will have women overlook that they dress like clowns, are overweight, are socially inept, and don't take care of their appearance.

"DJ's" or red pillers don't leave their mom's houses yet will create a laughable fantasy world where they do nothing more than "be alpha", generalize theories as "fact" across the board and chicks trip over themselves to get slayed by them while posting negativity towards anyone who actually likes women.

 

[Poon King]

Wrong again.

PUA's use lies and manipulation to attract dudes into thinking they date and fvck women. The only ones who get "fvcked" by PUA con artists are the foreveralones who think learning saying just the right words will have women overlook that they dress like clowns, are overweight, are socially inept, and don't take care of their appearance.

"DJ's" or red pillers don't leave their mom's houses yet will create a laughable fantasy world where they do nothing more than "be alpha", generalize theories as "fact" across the board and chicks trip over themselves to get slayed by them while posting negativity towards anyone who actually likes women.

NOPE.

But nice trolling.

 

[weaponx]

NOPE.

But nice trolling.

You have no answers. You throw out ridiculous generalizations as fact and when clowned on them run off projecting your own "trolling" on others.

Tell us about all the PUA's "seducing and getting laid"? Where are all these feminist entitled women coming out suing them for their beta bucks because they are out there and known bedding countless women?

I mean if true they'd all be getting sued for their beta bucks they're making off foreveralones by entitled women.

They aren't. Because they're not getting laid. They are peddling a fantasy. Nothing more.

 

[Tenacity]

You have no answers. You throw out ridiculous generalizations as fact and when clowned on them run off projecting your own "trolling" on others.

Tell us about all the PUA's "seducing and getting laid"? Where are all these feminist entitled women coming out suing them for their beta bucks because they are out there and known bedding countless women?

I mean if true they'd all be getting sued for their beta bucks they're making off foreveralones by entitled women.

They aren't. Because they're not getting laid. They are peddling a fantasy. Nothing more.

It always amazes me how you anonymous guys on the internet seem to know where another guy's pen.is is going to determine how much (or how little) pvssy he's getting? That always has amazed me with you guys.

But Poon King broke down the differences great, PUAs are mainly about saying whatever a woman wants to hear to get her into bed. A DJ is about actually being attractive to the point where he can say whatever or think whatever he prefers (rather the woman agrees or not) and he still gets her into bed based on his attractive traits.

I think it's good to be a little bit of both, sometimes even as a DJ you might have to be a little flexible in your personality depending on what type of girl you are talking to.

 

[weaponx]

It always amazes me how you anonymous guys on the internet seem to know where another guy's pen.is is going to determine how much (or how little) pvssy he's getting? That always has amazed me with you guys.

But Poon King broke down the differences great, PUAs are mainly about saying whatever a woman wants to hear to get her into bed. A DJ is about actually being attractive to the point where he can say whatever or think whatever he prefers (rather the woman agrees or not) and he still gets her into bed based on his attractive traits.

I think it's good to be a little bit of both, sometimes even as a DJ you might have to be a little flexible in your personality depending on what type of girl you are talking to.

PUA's are only theorizing just like DJ's on what a woman wants to hear that would get them in their beds.

Problem is if the dude isn't attractive to the specific chick his so-called "game" he believes in isn't going to do diddly squat. If so we'd see everyone saying whatever they wanted and felt to any and all women and be having them in bed to the point we wouldn't have time to post on SS etc.

Nothing more than KJ fantasy.

The person either finds you attractive or they don't. Attraction cannot be created with words when none exists in the first place. The only time that MAY change is when the dude decides to get in his best physical shape, dresses his best, grooms his best, and isn't pretending to not be needy by trying to just "game" women. Even so it STILL relies on if that specific person is attracted to that dude or not. That's life. Learn to accept it.

And yet you assume "DJs" on a forum whom you don't know from a can of paint are saying whatever or thinking whatever they prefer to get women into bed. Because they told you so on the internet with countless threads and posts to the contrary. :crackup:

 

[ubercat]

WeaponX
I agree with tenacity and hey a little less abuse huh. I have created attraction with PUA tricks and banged girls on the first date. And also had things blow up in my face. Studies have proved women's taste in men changes during their menstrual cycle. So obviously don't base yr self esteem on luck with women as its a crap shoot in the short term. So...a little PUA a lot of DJ is my take.

 

[mangotot]

DJ is just a marketing term used to say "hey we are different". But the reality is that they are both are in the same camp. Posts go on about how DJ improves himself but PUA uses tricks and words. Well there is a whole mass of PUAs and forums out there that are actually about improving yourself to become a better man. In the marketing stakes PUA won because it is far more well known them the DJ.

 

[Mike32ct]

Wrong again.

PUA's use lies and manipulation to attract dudes into thinking they date and fvck women. The only ones who get "fvcked" by PUA con artists are the foreveralones who think learning saying just the right words will have women overlook that they dress like clowns, are overweight, are socially inept, and don't take care of their appearance.

Haha yes. I love the fake "sob stories" PUAs use to market their products. "Before I became super successful with women, I was shy and got rejected ONCE in the FIFTH grade" lol. The 40 yo neck beard social anxiety incel virgin reads the advertisement and thinks to himself, "This guy sounds JUST like me. I'll buy his product and become successful too" lol. Then he gets scammed.

But just to be clear here, I'm referring to commercial PUA gurus. There are legitimate PUA guys who pick up women for sport and don't try to sell stuff.

 

[Maximus Rex]

What's the Difference

DJ is just a marketing term used to say "hey we are different". But the reality is that they are both are in the same camp. Posts go on about how DJ improves himself but PUA uses tricks and words. Well there is a whole mass of PUAs and forums out there that are actually about improving yourself to become a better man. In the marketing stakes PUA won because it is far more well known them the DJ.

Asking the what's the difference between a "Don Juan," and "Pickup Artist?" Is analogous to asking what's the difference is between Harvard and Yale, Trinidad and Tobago, the AFC and NFC, Applebees and T.G.I. Friday's, an American Staffordshire Terrier and an American Pitbull Terrier, Parliament and Funkadelic, or Ashely and Mary Kate Olsen. Not a muthaf*ckin' thing.

And it took me nine posts in to find somebody who was honest enough to admit it. Unlike most of the guys on this forum, ole Rex has actually read on several occasions, The Game, Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists, The Pick Artist The Don Juan Bible The Book of Pook and The Art of Mackin'. I know the classic documentary American Pimp by heart, I was an avid listener to the Tom Leykis Show, in addition to have watched hours of Youtube! videos from the various instructors from Real Social Dynamics. I'm even attend a RSD free tour, hung out with some guys that hosted a RSD secret lair, (who by the way went on a boot camp that taught by Jeffy from RSD,)

So I can unequivocally tell you that there is no f*cking difference. Except somewhere down the line that some of the idiots on So Suave who swear up and down that there is a difference between the two decided that they were somehow "better," and apparently from the responses in this thread, more "honest," in their dealings with women.

However when you research what they do concerning women and where the source of the information emanated from the information can from Tariq Nasheed, David de Angelo, Mystery, Neil Strauss, and Tyler Durden.

 

[Skinnylove]

Question,Rex;

Was Pook a DJ or a PUA.The theory bastard was often criticed for preaching to the wrong choir..Maybe everyone is a PUA,just doesn't admit to the fact that to get a girl,you either were unfortunately bloody charismatic by nature(naturals) or perhaps you had to "make" women want you.Or a little bit of both.

 

[RangerMIke]

DJ is just a marketing term used to say "hey we are different". But the reality is that they are both are in the same camp. Posts go on about how DJ improves himself but PUA uses tricks and words. Well there is a whole mass of PUAs and forums out there that are actually about improving yourself to become a better man. In the marketing stakes PUA won because it is far more well known them the DJ.

I agree, but if you are a PUA or DJ it really is all about what you focus on first. A DJ focuses on self first, a PUA dude focuses on game first.

DJs use game, and pretty much the same stuff the PUA guys teach. I've watched some of their videos on Youtube, and all that stuff does work at a certain level, but the guy has to be authentic otherwise women see right though it. Their approach is fake it til you make it, and yes... that does work.

But the really honest guys that sell PUA programs will tell you up front that you really have to show up and be the best you can be to improve your chances with high quality women. It's all about her percieved value relative to what she believes your value is. The higher she believes yours is relative to hers, the easier it will be to have her interest.

 

[weaponx]

WeaponX
I agree with tenacity and hey a little less abuse huh. I have created attraction with PUA tricks and banged girls on the first date. And also had things blow up in my face. Studies have proved women's taste in men changes during their menstrual cycle. So obviously don't base yr self esteem on luck with women as its a crap shoot in the short term. So...a little PUA a lot of DJ is my take.

No you didn't "create" attraction. The chick was either attracted to you in the first place or not. You don't walk up to people who find you unattractive then do some voodoo spell and they then decide they're irresistibly attracted to you and want to sleep with you all of a sudden. Same as some chick you have zero attraction to is going to just "say and do the right things" to have any of us become attracted to her without her doing anything else to improve herself .

You dudes seem to discount any possibility that the chick was simply attracted to YOU in the first place and that instead you have to do some little song and dance routine to "make" her like you and that means "game" works. Give YOURSELVES some credit. Not external B.S. "Game" only works if they chick is attracted to you. And basically then it's not fvcking up by acting like a weirdo, an azzhole, too negative, or being socially awkward.

1) Work out and get in your peak physical shape.

2) Dress your best in an edgy but not over the top style that suits you specifically. (New high end shoes/ footwear < chicks definitely notice)

3) Groom your best, hair, cologne, body hair etc.

4) Do your best in school and work to have nice things for yourself.

5) Be socially open and free with everyone. Lose negativity when talking to people it's not going to help you.

6) Once all of those things are accomplished AND you realize that no matter what not EVERYONE is going to like everyone not matter how much they've improved for themselves you are then at ease knowing you've accomplished your goals and rejection is only character building.

Now those six things above aren't going to "hurt" you. They're only going to increase your attractiveness and success.

You'll be amazed how things start to change. Change begins with US. If you don't want to progress yourself? Then stagnate and pretend to "go your own way" ranting about how life isn't fair.