Difference between going for what you want and knowing when to quit

[teddy]

What's the fine line there?

It's easy for a guy to use "going for what I want" to justify texting a woman every day for three days straight, while a guy who sees that a woman won't get sexual with him after one or two dates throws in the towel and decides to invest his time elsewhere even if he really likes the woman can be called a quitter for not going for what he wants.

However, many would say the second guy was much smarter than the first guy.

So what's the distinction?

 

[PlayHer Man]

Never enter into relationships or deals where you are the weaker party. Simple as that.

This is why I constantly say in my posts to SPIN PLATES. Rather than chasing ONE woman with low interest and trying to raise it... surround yourself with several women with HIGH interest. Since women are sheep they will chase you just because other women want you. :crackup:

Use women's shallow psychology to your advantage. A wise man works smart not hard.

 

[skinnyguy]

Since women are sheep they will chase you just because other women want you. :crackup:

Use women's shallow psychology to your advantage.

This is huge.

I'm not an attractive guy. However, I can get a woman to be interested me if she sees me with another woman who's reasonably attractive. This has worked practically every single time I have gone out.

I think that "persistence" has become synonymous with "homosexual". If you keep going after the same girl you're gay. Because of the internet, this is more or less true now. Attention wh0res will take all the power if you pursue them, this making you vulnerable.

 

[PlayHer Man]

This is huge.

I'm not an attractive guy. However, I can get a woman to be interested me if she sees me with another woman who's reasonably attractive. This has worked practically every single time I have gone out.

I think that "persistence" has become synonymous with "homosexual". If you keep going after the same girl you're gay. Because of the internet, this is more or less true now. Attention wh0res will take all the power if you pursue them, this making you vulnerable.

You're learning fast skinnyguy. I like what I'm seeing. You'll be a DJ in no time.

You are proof that being beta is more an issue of ignorance than weakness. All the information a man needs to adopt an alpha "boss" mindset is available to him.. IF he chooses to embrace it.

Its not easy to go from the bullsh!t bubble of childhood to the harsh truths of the adult world. Many never leave that bubble (by choice) via denial. But there is a lot of power in knowing the truth. It gives you a surprising advantage in life. :yes:

 

[teddy]

But then how does "going for what you want" play into all this? The initial approach, maybe?

Movies always tell you to keep fighting for the woman you want. I'm guessing that's blue pill stuff.

 

[Lotus Effect]

This is a really good post!

But in my opinion, it is not that hard to see when you should "throw the towell" or when you should give just another push forward.

It is all based in your skill to analyse a woman's interest level.

A woman, when interested in you will be more open to your invests, but don't be a black and white fool, and believe that even if she is interested she will be wide open for you. No she will not!

She will always, ALWAYS, show some resistence to you. No matter how alpha you are, and how much into you she is, this is hard wired on her mind, she just can't be easy, otherwise she believes she will be perceived as a slut. Not for you, not for her, but for the other women.

But there is quite a difference between this anti slut resistence, to "I'm not really interested, get the f*ck out of here".

You just have to fine tune in yourself how to tell this. And this, you can only develop on field. But trust me, this is not hard at all to develop. As you crawl yourself to the top, throughout hits and misses, you will understand this concept faster than you can say 'Ay Caramba'.

Anyway, good post dude!


EDIT:

Movies always tell you to keep fighting for the woman you want.

Yeah man, do that and see where it will get you. Hahaha

Trust any movie, and you'll be doomed to failure. That is why it is a movie, and not real life.
It is fiction, and all of that stuff does not work in real life!
Also, on that note, never ever ask a woman's advice to get a girl. Recipe for disaster!

 

[adam225]

PHM, I assume by you saying - "This is why I constantly say in my posts to SPIN PLATES. Rather than chasing ONE woman with low interest and trying to raise it... surround yourself with several women with HIGH interest. Since women are sheep they will chase you just because other women want you." You're basically getting at you should always be hinting that you've got other women interested in you.

I've found in the past that there is only so far you can go when you're seeing a women before others seem to loose interest (or they make out they do - consciously). If I was to say I was "exclusive" with a girl then the others would assume that I'm focused on her and loose interest in me - BUT if I was just to hint something that showed I had other women interested in me then there interest level will shoot up.

I always assume when you say "spin plates" that you're hinting to other plates that you've got options, rather than telling them you have other women on the go the whilst you're seeing them ?? or am I wrong - are you blatantly telling plates you've got other plates on the go ??

 

[TheException]

But in my opinion, it is not that hard to see when you should "throw the towell" or when you should give just another push forward.

It is all based in your skill to analyse a woman's interest level.

A woman, when interested in you will be more open to your invests

Had it all right....up to here^

but don't be a black and white fool, and believe that even if she is interested she will be wide open for you. No she will not!

She will always, ALWAYS, show some resistence to you. No matter how alpha you are, and how much into you she is, this is hard wired on her mind, she just can't be easy, otherwise she believes she will be perceived as a slut. Not for you, not for her, but for the other women.

But there is quite a difference between this anti slut resistence, to "I'm not really interested, get the f*ck out of here".

I think your combining anti-slut defense and interest levels....and it doesnt work like that. Any guy who has success with women can tell you first hand that women with high interest will MOVE MOUNTAINS just to be with you. Everything is easy.....EVERYTHING. They are so scared that they will mess up their shot at being with you, that they never even go near "rejecting" you or giving you the idea of low interest just to "play games". They will obviously still sh1t test because they are women, but I dont consider that playing games anymore.

Now there are certainly exceptions to every rule, and sure some do play games. But the majority of women with high interest will not. They may have LMR in regards to sex....but not during the "pursuit" of them.

Trust any movie, and you'll be doomed to failure. That is why it is a movie, and not real life.
It is fiction, and all of that stuff does not work in real life![/B]
Also, on that note, never ever ask a woman's advice to get a girl. Recipe for disaster!

Have you ever seen James Bond or Ironman? Alphas can certainly be portrayed via movie....and honestly thats how I first started to model after alpha males.

 

[Lotus Effect]

...are you blatantly telling plates you've got other plates on the go ??

I do. And it only brought me benefits.

You just have to know how to position yourself. Something like 'I'm kinda busy on a date right now hun. But save time on your schedule because tomorrow your are next' always got them intrigued.

Again, it always depend on her attraction level towards you.

The same applies the other way around. You don't feel less attracted to a hot girl you know is taken, or hanging out with other dude because she is doing so. Most of the times you will in fact feel a little jealous, and if the opportunity shows, you will try to take away from them.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Lotus Effect]

I think your combining anti-slut defense and interest levels....and it doesnt work like that. Any guy who has success with women can tell you first hand that women with high interest will MOVE MOUNTAINS just to be with you. Everything is easy.....EVERYTHING. They are so scared that they will mess up their shot at being with you, that they never even go near "rejecting" you or giving you the idea of low interest just to "play games". They will obviously still sh1t test because they are women, but I dont consider that playing games anymore.

I have not said that they will play games with you. I just said that they will just not give it up right on spot. They will show a little resistence. I believe we are in the same page man. I was just not able to properly explain this idea.

Have you ever seen James Bond or Ironman? Alphas can certainly be portrayed via movie....and honestly thats how I first started to model after alpha males.

Yeah, that is pretty much on spot. Those are some characters whose alpha attitude could be mirrored.
But the movies the OP was talking about, acording to his statement, of the guy chasing after the woman like a stray dog, are romantic comedies, chick flicks and any romance BS Hollywood tries to brainwash into our heads.

And those are the kind of movies I warned him to avoid mirroring at all costs!

Once again, I guess we are all on the same Page man!

 

[CHICAGO27]

Persistence is good when you have an IL to work with. If a chick has already decided that you "aren't worthy" its going to be almost most to impossible to change her mind.

Example 1. I was involved with a chick three years ago who I was way too sexually aggressive with. I went down and flames and was nexted. I, because of my huge ego, couldn't not for the longest time accept that I screwed up the situation. So I pined over that individual failure for a long time.

Fast forward to this past summer when in was single and on match.com. She saw my profile and took a look at it. I used that as an opening to send her an email. We didn't meet up over the summer but wound up getting her number, again.

I wound up texting her out of the blue sometime in late October and went through some flaking but eventually was able to secure a dinner date. The evening went well and even ended with a makeout session. She then texted me and said that she "had a really good time" and said she wanted to meet up after Thanksgiving.

That never did happen but I continued to be persistent. I'd set a date, she'd tentatively agree than flake. This went on for a few weeks and I just started to say. Is her golden vag really worth all this effort? I finally resigned myself to nexting her but built enough capital to add her as a fb friend. That was pretty enlightening as it seemed that she had a slew of beta orbiters, and if I continued doing what I was doing could have been considered one myself.

Checking a chicks fb history also can be pretty heartening. It actually turned me off to see what she has done and is still currently doing.

Gentlemen, at the end of the day you gotta know when to hold them and when to fold them. Do you really want to chase someone who really couldn't care less about you? I was probably a fourth or fifth option behind her myriad of activities, girlfriends, etc.

A woman who has a high IL will MAKE TIME to see you. She won't make excuses. She won't blow you off for her girlfriends. She will text you without you having to constantly initiate.

IMO

 

[PlayHer Man]

PHM, I assume by you saying - "This is why I constantly say in my posts to SPIN PLATES. Rather than chasing ONE woman with low interest and trying to raise it... surround yourself with several women with HIGH interest. Since women are sheep they will chase you just because other women want you." You're basically getting at you should always be hinting that you've got other women interested in you.

I've found in the past that there is only so far you can go when you're seeing a women before others seem to loose interest (or they make out they do - consciously). If I was to say I was "exclusive" with a girl then the others would assume that I'm focused on her and loose interest in me - BUT if I was just to hint something that showed I had other women interested in me then there interest level will shoot up.

I always assume when you say "spin plates" that you're hinting to other plates that you've got options, rather than telling them you have other women on the go the whilst you're seeing them ?? or am I wrong - are you blatantly telling plates you've got other plates on the go ??

Never go out of your way to prove anything to a woman. Spin plates simply means keep your options open and have several women you can date or f*ck available to you. Its not about "image" its about reality.

Most women will realize you have options if you spin plates. I don't "hint" or "tell" women I have options.. I just HAVE options.

 

[adam225]

Got ya, so I guess they'll be able to tell by your actions and general attitude towards them....

I've had a long enough break from them now and I'm feeling the need for some fun again. I'm just trying to get my mindset prefecto so I'm always ahead. I just need a good base mindset to go off so I can get a few plates first even it involves a few *little* lies lol (that's why I asked) - I get the picture though...

 

[teddy]

Persistence is good when you have an IL to work with. If a chick has already decided that you "aren't worthy" its going to be almost most to impossible to change her mind.

Example 1. I was involved with a chick three years ago who I was way too sexually aggressive with. I went down and flames and was nexted. I, because of my huge ego, couldn't not for the longest time accept that I screwed up the situation. So I pined over that individual failure for a long time.

Fast forward to this past summer when in was single and on match.com. She saw my profile and took a look at it. I used that as an opening to send her an email. We didn't meet up over the summer but wound up getting her number, again.

I wound up texting her out of the blue sometime in late October and went through some flaking but eventually was able to secure a dinner date. The evening went well and even ended with a makeout session. She then texted me and said that she "had a really good time" and said she wanted to meet up after Thanksgiving.

That never did happen but I continued to be persistent. I'd set a date, she'd tentatively agree than flake. This went on for a few weeks and I just started to say. Is her golden vag really worth all this effort? I finally resigned myself to nexting her but built enough capital to add her as a fb friend. That was pretty enlightening as it seemed that she had a slew of beta orbiters, and if I continued doing what I was doing could have been considered one myself.

Checking a chicks fb history also can be pretty heartening. It actually turned me off to see what she has done and is still currently doing.

Gentlemen, at the end of the day you gotta know when to hold them and when to fold them. Do you really want to chase someone who really couldn't care less about you? I was probably a fourth or fifth option behind her myriad of activities, girlfriends, etc.

A woman who has a high IL will MAKE TIME to see you. She won't make excuses. She won't blow you off for her girlfriends. She will text you without you having to constantly initiate.

IMO

I agree, but I think even chicks who want validation/beta orbiters will contact you from time to time to hang out.