Did she CHEAT on me?

[Spaz]

You did a good job verifying ur suspicion.

You did a good job getting a virgin.

Why, what, how..etc...those details of her cheating doesn't matter. Don't ponder on the details as it is ever changing and doesn't remain constant.

1st off work towards reinforcing ur frame/principles/core values. This is the constant that will guide how you conduct yourself and ultimately lead to where you desire to be.

Most people r so preoccupied with the details; screening, red flags, virginity, orbiters, etc etc. A women can have non of these and yet still cheat when she is not living in your frame. A women can have all the red flags in the world and yet not cheat when she is in your frame.

So work on your frame.

 

[ohrein]

A women can have all the red flags in the world and yet not cheat when she is in your frame.

I disagree completely. If a woman has low impulse control, no amount of fear of losing you will matter. That's why when women get caught they are sometimes legitimately upset at losing you yet did something that risked losing you. A woman who has cheat once is 350% more likely to cheat than a woman who has never cheat before.

Can't turn a ho into a housewife. If you're not screening for character, you should not be aiming for anything other than sex.

 

[Spaz]

I disagree completely. If a woman has low impulse control, no amount of fear of losing you will matter. That's why when women get caught they are sometimes legitimately upset at losing you yet did something that risked losing you. A woman who has cheat once is 350% more likely to cheat than a woman who has never cheat before.

Can't turn a ho into a housewife. If you're not screening for character, you should not be aiming for anything other than sex.

I not saying these base on hypothesis.

I'm saying this based on real life experiences.

All the red flags in the world means so little to me. Either they change/follow me or they get kicked.

You r the leader in any relationship.

Any leader worth his salt and manages people knows that frame is everything. The rest is just details.

Details changes from time to time to suit the changing environment.

If it doesn't profit me, I will dismiss that person.

 

[ohrein]

I not saying these base on hypothesis.

I'm saying this based on real life experiences.

All the red flags in the world means so little to me. Either they change/follow me or they get kicked.

You r the leader in any relationship.

Any leader worth his salt and manages people knows that frame is everything. The rest is just details.

Details changes from time to time to suit the changing environment.

If it doesn't profit me, I will dismiss that person.

Right, but if you're looking for someone to keep around then wouldn't you rather eliminate poor candidates early on? Ultimately do what you want to do, that's the point of all this information. But it seems strange to me that you wouldn't screen as well. You wouldn't hire a dropkick for a job without evaluating them, only to have to fire them shortly after. You'd make sure they had the right skills and experience for the position. The best leader in the world can't create competence from thin air. In fact, there's a subset of the population whose intelligence is above what is considered disabled but yet lower than the threshold for being able to follow basic instructions. Even the army won't take these guys on because they simply can't do tasks well. You need someone who is capable of following your frame to begin with or it makes zero difference.

 

[Spaz]

Right, but if you're looking for someone to keep around then wouldn't you rather eliminate poor candidates early on? Ultimately do what you want to do, that's the point of all this information. But it seems strange to me that you wouldn't screen as well. You wouldn't hire a dropkick for a job without evaluating them, only to have to fire them shortly after. You'd make sure they had the right skills and experience for the position. The best leader in the world can't create competence from thin air. In fact, there's a subset of the population whose intelligence is above what is considered disabled but yet lower than the threshold for being able to follow basic instructions. Even the army won't take these guys on because they simply can't do tasks well. You need someone who is capable of following your frame to begin with or it makes zero difference.

I was upper management of a large MNC.

I've had dozens of managers reporting to me.

I've hired drop kicks who turned into exceptional senior managers. Of course they all started off at the lowest rung of the ladder and worked their way up.

When I hire, I don't even look at their resumes. It's a complete waste of time and utterly stupid.

What I see is their passion. To me that's the single most valuable commodity a person can carry.

Frame is everything. People will follow a strong frame. People will adopt your frame as theirs.

 

[ohrein]

What I see is their passion. To me that's the single most valuable commodity a person can carry.

Frame is everything. People will follow a strong frame. People will adopt your frame as theirs.

So if they don't have passion they won't follow your frame?

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with what you're saying. A strong frame sucks people into it. But it won't for everyone. Try getting a radical left wing ideologue into your frame. Try to lead a person who can't follow basic instructions. You said yourself, if they don't adopt your frame, you kick them to the curb. You admit that people potentially won't follow your frame. So which is it? That some people won't adopt your frame or that strong frame is everything (everything meaning all you need)? If some people won't adopt it then it can't be everything so you've contradicted yourself.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Either they change/follow me or they get kicked..

Kicked?

brb guys, kicking my gf for not making me a sandwich quick enough!

Wait wut?

 

[marmel75]

UPDATE: Today she admitted that she has been f*ucking him since january. Dumped her right away.
Feeling really heartbroken and sh*itty right now.

The worst part is that I have been acting red pill and have been following every DJ rule ever. The other guy though, was chasing her and calling her every single day. He ended up ****ing her.

I asked her why did she cheat , she said that I wasn't giving her enough attention and wasn't beta enough. WTF? Maybe red pill is not the best way after all?

Feeling very very very depressed right now. Feeling like utter s*hit.

No DJ rule says to demand she gets rid of all the males and exes. Unless its BS. Part of this you did to yourself.

You'll figure out after a period of time that the "DJ rules" hurt you more than they help you once you have the training wheels off for a while.

 

[Spaz]

So if they don't have passion they won't follow your frame?

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with what you're saying. A strong frame sucks people into it. But it won't for everyone. Try getting a radical left wing ideologue into your frame. Try to lead a person who can't follow basic instructions. You said yourself, if they don't adopt your frame, you kick them to the curb. You admit that people potentially won't follow your frame. So which is it? That some people won't adopt your frame or that strong frame is everything (everything meaning all you need)? If some people won't adopt it then it can't be everything so you've contradicted yourself.

People will adopt your frame when yours is superior and yields results.

This is common.

I too adopted and adjusted my frame from other superior successful men.

It didn't pop out from thin air or from reading books. It came about from experiencing it, witnessing it and mentored into it.

It's what made me rise over my peers. It was my ability to harness the collective abilities of people under me.

I'll try to make it simple;

Frame/core values/how you think - > details/how you manage/do things = Your desired result

If desired result is not achieved then relook into the details, adjust accordingly.

If yet desired results is not achieved then relook into your frame and adjust accordingly.

Repeat and rinse.

How you think (frame) affects how you do things in real life (the details) which in turn produces the result.

Most people are too preoccupied with the details and fail to adjust/improve their frame. They fail to see that their frame has a direct influence to how they do things.

Does this make sense?

 

[ohrein]

People will adopt your frame when yours is superior and yields results.

This is common.

I too adopted and adjusted my frame from other superior successful men.

It didn't pop out from thin air or from reading books. It came about from experiencing it, witnessing it and mentored into it.

It's what made me rise over my peers. It was my ability to harness the collective abilities of people under me.

I'll try to make it simple;

Frame/core values/how you think - > details/how you manage/do things = Your desired result

If desired result is not achieved then relook into the details, adjust accordingly.

If yet desired results is not achieved then relook into your frame and adjust accordingly.

Repeat and rinse.

How you think (frame) affects how you do things in real life (the details) which in turn produces the result.

Most people are too preoccupied with the details and fail to adjust/improve their frame. They fail to see that their frame has a direct influence to how they do things.

Does this make sense?

Yes and I agree to an extent. But absolutism does not apply to people. People are chaotic to varying degrees, but always to some degree. To bring it back to my original point that this statement ("A women can have all the red flags in the world and yet not cheat when she is in your frame.") is incorrect. A low quality woman will not suddenly become an angel with a strong enough frame. Over years, I suppose it's possible but why would you bother? You seem to posit that frame can somehow defeat the chaotic nature of human psychology which is just too extreme a claim for my liking. Not saying it doesn't effect it, because it does, but it takes years to radically alter a persons psychology.

 

[Spaz]

Yes and I agree to an extent. But absolutism does not apply to people. People are chaotic to varying degrees, but always to some degree. To bring it back to my original point that this statement ("A women can have all the red flags in the world and yet not cheat when she is in your frame.") is incorrect. A low quality woman will not suddenly become an angel with a strong enough frame. Over years, I suppose it's possible but why would you bother? You seem to posit that frame can somehow defeat the chaotic nature of human psychology which is just too extreme a claim for my liking. Not saying it doesn't effect it, because it does, but it takes years to radically alter a persons psychology.

It takes months and it must come from their desire to change.

Edit: When she is within your frame then she has accepted changes. Their previous frame changes to one more superior, it happens all the time. Refer to my above post re: the equation

 

[soulforge]

Yes, I am feeling better now. Not thinking about suicide anymore.

I am just completely baffled, I have been red pill since 2014. I didn't expect this to happen to me.
She seemed like a good girl, didn't have many guy friends, she was very shy. AND SHE WAS VIRGIN. You can't be a slut if you are a virgin right?

So she lost her virginity to me, then a couple of weeks after she started ****ing this other dude. Completely baffled.

Red pill since 2014? That is nearly 4 years..

And your talking about suicide over a chick You knew for 3 months. You didn't learn much.

 

[way2smart]

And your talking about suicide over a chick You knew for 3 months. You didn't learn much.

No no longer thinking about suicide. That was the thought of the moment. I am feeling better. Just trying to pick up the pieces

 

[Spaz]

Red pill since 2014? That is nearly 4 years..

And your talking about suicide over a chick You knew for 3 months. You didn't learn much.

A person can be red pill compliant for many years but it is not sustainable as displayed by OP hence the suicidal thoughts.

He focuses on the details - red pill details.

Work and improve your frame 1st...The details comes later.

Do that and observe the result.

 

[way2smart]

A person can be red pill compliant for many years but it is not sustainable as displayed by OP hence the suicidal thoughts.

He focuses on the details - red pill details.

Work and improve your frame 1st...The details comes later.

Do that and observe the result.

Do you think if I did something differently this particular girl wouldn't have cheated on me?

I am starting to blame my self, my actions. Maybe I really wasn't giving her enough attention. To be fair I used to see and contact her once a week.
Do you think maybe if I saw her more often she wouldn't have cheated?

Or is this situation just messing with my head?

 

[devilkingx2]

Do you think if I did something differently this particular girl wouldn't have cheated on me?

I am starting to blame my self, my actions. Maybe I really wasn't giving her enough attention. To be fair I used to see and contact her once a week.
Do you think maybe if I saw her more often she wouldn't have cheated?

Or is this situation just messing with my head?

first ask yourself if you didn't see her much, in an objective sense, how much attention did you give her empirically?

then and only then can you determine if you pushed her away

but in all honesty if it took her less than a month to start fvcking another guy and she had no intention of breaking up with you or the other guy she's just a wh0re that essentially wanted 2 boyfriends and no amount of attention from you is equal to 2 boyfriends

 

[Asasione]

Do you think if I did something differently this particular girl wouldn't have cheated on me?

I am starting to blame my self, my actions. Maybe I really wasn't giving her enough attention. To be fair I used to see and contact her once a week.
Do you think maybe if I saw her more often she wouldn't have cheated?

Or is this situation just messing with my head?

Out of curiosity did you see her once a week because you were genuinely busy or were you trying to be red pill? Also how often did you contact her in a week and what prompted you to contact her? Did you only contact her to arrange meetings or general banter mixed in etc? Why did you decide she was worth being exclusive with? What behaviors or way of doing things makes you believe you are red pill (did you have multiple plates before you settled on this one)? Not trying to grill you just asking to get a clear picture about you


Also forget about her and move on and figure out what you need to do differently and don't look back in anger. It's a learning experience just like any other

 

[TheProspect]

Why are some people looking past the fact that he ignored red flags before giving her exclusivity after only knowing her for a little over a month? That is the problem: a bad choice as a result of poor screening and low standards. That is the only problem; all other issues stem from that one choice.

Strong frame this and strong frame that don’t mean much when you knowingly give exclusivity to trash. You can’t miraculously turn garbage into gold because your frame is strong. And why would you want to even try? Why are we rationalizing ignoring red flags and justifying bad screening?

Anybody discussing what he should have or could have done to prevent her from doing what she did in his long-lived 30 day relationship is missing the point…


If you have low standards for the apples you choose to eat and you pick a rotten one knowing ahead of time it’s rotten (because in your mind a rotten apple is better than no apple) and it ends up giving you a stomach ache, you don’t blame the apple. You don’t ask what you could have done differently which would have prevented the rotten apple from doing what it did. Yes, the rotten apple is materially responsible for your stomach ache. But you made the decision to eat it.

 

[The Duke]

Every now and then a woman captures my full attention. And when they do I have to remember its best to keep women as accessory's to your life, not a foundation. Your happiness and livelihood depends depends on it.

 

[soulforge]

Advising OP, he should have had more or better frame, is just fukin DUMB

Seriously a trashy hoe, will cheat no matter how much frame you have.

But OP went exclusive with this chick only after one month?

You know pretty much ZERO about a person in just one month.

OP feels hurt because he let himself get emotionally attached to a woman he BARLEY even knew!

If op had screened her better, or not let himself get emotionally into her this soon, then he would not be feeling as CRAP as he feels now.