Did I get put in F.Z b/c 1. She just got out LTR or 2. She doesnt find me attractive ??

[Ryan]

The best way to get out of the friend zone is to show this girl that she is a dime a dozen girl. Stop chasing her. Make your actions show that you could not care any less. Fo your thing. Get busy with other girls. Do not br available for her all the time. Be too busy when she calls.

When she realizes she is not the center of your world her hamster wheel will start spinning. She will rhen start to think of you in a different light.

The more yoh pedestalize her the more frustrated you will be.

I'm trying to meet other girls, but I am not in school, and basically run my business from home, so I definitely find it a challenge to meet new women.

She never calls me, and only texts if I text her, I am the one that asks her to come with me to do something, and one time she even said "we dont have to be friends if you dont want to".

I did have a No contact for 4 days as recommended by @ImTheDoubleGreatest! but I succumbed to my temptations on the fourth night.

But thank you for the advice...

 

[Ryan]

Oh and she let me hold her hand just a little last date (I know it means nothing to you guys) lol so maybe we are making 10% progress?


She's real coldblooded, I tried to rub her back on the blanket, and she told me keep your hand on the other side lol .......what would you guys say if a girl told you this on a date?

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! @Igetit! @3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke@marmel75 @logicallefty @VladPatton

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Oh and she let me hold her hand just a little last date (I know it means nothing to you guys) lol so maybe we are making 10% progress?

She's real coldblooded, I tried to rub her back on the blanket, and she told me keep your hand on the other side lol .......what would you guys say if a girl told you this on a date?

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! @Igetit! @3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke@marmel75 @logicallefty @VladPatton

Well, I'd prolly move it somewhere else just to tease her, and if I would have gotten a negative response then, then I would have stopped.

I think you should make the dates more fun and playful and sexual rather than romantic and sensual. I think the later 2 points are the girl's job, not the man's. You should be responsible for the fun, playful, and sexual part, not the other 2. Be aware of her just tryong to get a free meal out of you by the way. I never really thought this happened, but according to some of the guys here, a lot of girls will go out with you just to eat because they're hungry rather than because of sexual interest.

 

[Ryan]

Well, I'd prolly move it somewhere else just to tease her, and if I would have gotten a negative response then, then I would have stopped.

I think you should make the dates more fun and playful and sexual rather than romantic and sensual. I think the later 2 points are the girl's job, not the man's. You should be responsible for the fun, playful, and sexual part, not the other 2. Be aware of her just tryong to get a free meal out of you by the way. I never really thought this happened, but according to some of the guys here, a lot of girls will go out with you just to eat because they're hungry rather than because of sexual interest.

Dude I got the free meal, she brought me tuna sandwhiches, croissant sandwich,watermelon, sushi, water.

Suggest some good dates for this? rollerblading? dancing?

@ImTheDoubleGreatest!

 

[dude99]

Oh and she let me hold her hand just a little last date (I know it means nothing to you guys) lol so maybe we are making 10% progress?


She's real coldblooded, I tried to rub her back on the blanket, and she told me keep your hand on the other side lol .......what would you guys say if a girl told you this on a date?

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! @Igetit! @3agle 3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke@marmel75 @logicallefty @VladPatton

Next.

 

[dude99]

I'm trying to meet other girls, but I am not in school, and basically run my business from home, so I definitely find it a challenge to meet new women.

She never calls me, and only texts if I text her, I am the one that asks her to come with me to do something, and one time she even said "we dont have to be friends if you dont want to".

I did have a No contact for 4 days as recommended by @ImTheDoubleGreatest! but I succumbed to my temptations on the fourth night.

But thank you for the advice...

Telling you to not hold her hand, telling you we are only friends saying we don't have to be friends....dude, she isn't into you. If a chick said that to me id reply with "perfect i won't waste my time anymore."

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Dude I got the free meal, she brought me tuna sandwhiches, croissant sandwich,watermelon, sushi, water.

Suggest some good dates for this? rollerblading? dancing?

@ImTheDoubleGreatest!

Yeah dancing and rollerblading are good. Ice skating, paintballing, laser tagging, rock climbing, amusement parks (if the lines arent long), swimming, water parks, etc are other ideas I can think of.

 

[Ryan]

Ok so me and her text like everyday, I sometimes text on whatsapp to see if she gets the messages...

How often should I text her? every other day?

yeah I am always the one to text first...

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! @Igetit! @3agle3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75
@logicallefty @VladPatton

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Ok so me and her text like everyday, I sometimes text on whatsapp to see if she gets the messages...

How often should I text her? every other day?

yeah I am always the one to text first...

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! @Igetit! @3agle3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75
@logicallefty @VladPatton

There aren't any rules for when you should do what, it is supposed to be natural. It doesn't seem like it is for you though, so the best I can say is to text her when you want to, but not often enough to to the point that she expects it and not often enough to the point where she knows when you're gonna text her either. Every few days or so I'd say.

 

[Ryan]

There aren't any rules for when you should do what, it is supposed to be natural. It doesn't seem like it is for you though, so the best I can say is to text her when you want to, but not often enough to to the point that she expects it and not often enough to the point where she knows when you're gonna text her either. Every few days or so I'd say.

So not everyday? I usually text my close friends like ten times a day lol....but yeah i do text her less (around 3-4 a day)

Yes I know, I am obsessing...

@ImTheDoubleGreatest!

 

[RangerMIke]

Ok so me and her text like everyday, I sometimes text on whatsapp to see if she gets the messages...

How often should I text her? every other day?

yeah I am always the one to text first...

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! @Igetit! @3agle3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75
@logicallefty @VladPatton

Most important than the fact that you text her every other day is the reason why you are doing this. Why do you text her every other day?

 

[logicallefty]

OP, I like how you went 4 days without contacting her. Thats 4 more days than a lot of men can do. Did you try as I suggested previously in this thread; going along with her and making her think that you only saw her as a friend, just like she sees you as a friend? It's a bold move but it's gotton my d|ck wet it's fair share of times.. But not every time. You really need to let this girl go. Do it for the sake of your pride. She is playing you big time and you are just an orbiter to her, as others have said. Is she still a virgin? COULD be. I have known a couple women in their early 30s who I genuinely believed were virgins (one because I ended that for her and saw the evidence). But I also know women will block out sexual experiences they do not like. One not too long ago first told me she hadn't had sex in seven years.. Then I later find out, NO, she just hadn't had sex SHE LIKED in seven years, and used her womanly brain to justify telling me she "hadn't had sex" but left the "that I liked" part out at first.. You gotta watch women man. Those brains in their do not always operate like ours as men do. Learn that and you will go far with that info alone.

 

[Ryan]

Most important than the fact that you text her every other day is the reason why you are doing this. Why do you text her every other day?

Good question....I really want to increase the connection between us, I feel this is the "one" (maybe I am high)...

Did that answer your question?

@RangerMIke

 

[Ryan]

Thank you for the good advice, you definitely deserve to be a moderator.

OP, I like how you went 4 days without contacting her. Thats 4 more days than a lot of men can do.

I got the idea from @ImTheDoubleGreatest! he actually wanted me to go no contact for a week, but I dont have that type of discipline, and I wonder what type of mindset he has to be able to go NC for a week.....so I didnt text her for today and wont tommorrow......tuesday perhaps I will setup another date?

Did you try as I suggested previously in this thread; going along with her and making her think that you only saw her as a friend, just like she sees you as a friend? It's a bold move but it's gotton my d|ck wet it's fair share of times.. But not every time.

No, I guess you could say I am weak, when I see her I melt. Do you still want me to do that? I could still do that next date....

But she actually let me hold her hand last date (yeah back to grade 7 dont laugh), so I am thinking of rollerblading date and try to escalate....

She keeps saying no kissing, and one time I tried to sneak a kiss in when we hugged (bad move?)

You really need to let this girl go. Do it for the sake of your pride. She is playing you big time and you are just an orbiter to her, as others have said. Is she still a virgin? COULD be. I have known a couple women in their early 30s who I genuinely believed were virgins (one because I ended that for her and saw the evidence). But I also know women will block out sexual experiences they do not like.

I think I will just keep her as a REAL friend if things dont work out the way I intended, since I do not have any female friends...

One not too long ago first told me she hadn't had sex in seven years.. Then I later find out, NO, she just hadn't had sex SHE LIKED in seven years, and used her womanly brain to justify telling me she "hadn't had sex" but left the "that I liked" part out at first.. You gotta watch women man. Those brains in their do not always operate like ours as men do. Learn that and you will go far with that info alone.

Yep, women like to make themselves believe their own bulsh!t...

Yes and I am trying to meet other girls...

@logicallefty

 

[Ryan]

Maybe I should try out this maneuver by zinc4

Any hope with this chick? How should I proceed?


Do some no contact and then tell her I am meeting up with my ex...lol

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! @Igetit! @3agle3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75
@logicallefty @VladPatton

 

[Julian]

Strong join date OP. 2000! cool

i know how it goes...but anyway this girl doesnt seem to have interest in you or shes playing very stupid...throw her on the backburner and get some new prospects

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I got the idea from @ImTheDoubleGreatest! he actually wanted me to go no contact for a week, but I dont have that type of discipline, and I wonder what type of mindset he has to be able to go NC for a week.....so I didnt text her for today and wont tommorrow......tuesday perhaps I will setup another date?

The reason why I am able to just completely stop talking to someone is because I am willing to work in spite of my emotions. Also it's because of how I used to be. I cringe looking back at the days where I used to think I was not worthy. I would look down, hunch over, I was ashamed of myself. If I wasn't then I sure made it look like so. It is because of that person that I used to be that I now will never ever place anyone ahead of me, ever (with exclusion to my brother. But I wouldn't even place my parents ahead of me, only on my level). So yeah, disgust and shame towards my former life launched me into a phase of refining my sense of self and redefining my masculinity, even if it means clashing with my father or cutting off a few friends.

I will never again fall for the tricks and tests women deal towards others, I don't even get into drama of any kind. In fact, I don't know how or why, but whenever drama is about to start, I always say or do something to end it. The same with being forced into drama. I just end it, I don't even consciously think about it either. I think it's because I am very direct and outspoken and most people are afraid of confrontation so they straighten their sh!t out. And if I clash with another person who is like me, I stand my ground and don't switch sides easily. If I know I am wrong though, I will admit so gracefully. I also am very aware of my body language and always try to keep my back straight or lay back when I'm sitting instead of hunched over, head held up high (unless it is super sunny outside and I don't have any sunglasses), and keep a stance slightly wider than shoulder width while standing. I always try to keep a masculine body language until it becomes natural for me to do so. Then when i do hunch over, I notice because it becomes unnatural and feels weird.

So that's a tiny summary as to what my mindset is and why I guess.

 

[RangerMIke]

Maybe I should try out this maneuver by zinc4

Any hope with this chick? How should I proceed?

Do some no contact and then tell her I am meeting up with my ex...lol

I would never lie to a woman. It means that you care too much about her opinion that you would surrender your integrity for what's between her legs. No woman is worth your self respect. Besides, they always know when you are not being honest with them.

No contact is not a technique, it is what you do to keep your wits and it helps you to move on to other women. Locking onto one chick is the stupidest BS a man can do. If a woman will not go out with you she is either playing games, or she doesn't like you. If she doesn't like you you are WASTING your time with her, walk away and DON'T EVER look back. If she is playing games, or she is taken at the moment, just go find other women. She'll either get the message and reach out to you, or if and when she becomes available, she look you up.

"No contact" does not create something from nothing, it helps you move on and fleshes out reality.

 

[RangerMIke]

Good question....I really want to increase the connection between us, I feel this is the "one" (maybe I am high)...

Did that answer your question?

@RangerMIke

Okay you are trying to build rapport... you can not do this over text. The only way to build an effective connection with a women, since they are emotional creatures is by being in direct contact. You MUST make dates. If she will not go out with you, take the hint and move on. Go find other women, it is HIGHLY unlikely you will change her mind. Trust me... this is 30 plus years of dating experience. If she does not like you enough to go out with you, you do not have a shot.

 

[dude99]

Maybe I should try out this maneuver by zinc4

Any hope with this chick? How should I proceed?


Do some no contact and then tell her I am meeting up with my ex...lol

@ImTheDoubleGreatest! @Igetit! @3agle3yes @MrWood @ImTheDoubleGreatest! @dude99 @RangerMIke @marmel75
@logicallefty @VladPatton

I would have already nexted and forgotten this girl long ago so sorry, i dont have anything else ro offer.

Once a girl has been rude to me the way she had to you....next. no second chance. As you put it you melt around her so she could treat you like crap and you would still cross your fingers and hope the tide will turn in your favor.

How was she rude you ask " we don't have to be friends you know."

That right there is code for "you mean nothing to me."

So here is my advise with this chick..........next!