Defeatist Attitude?

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How many of you have heard this phrase:

"You only find someone when you aren't looking"

I am so sick of this phrase. I need some good comebacks to it. The other day I was trying to talk a friend into coming out with me to pickup. He responded with: "you don't find someone when you are looking, only when you stop looking"

I was floored, my jaw dropped, I couldn't believe he would cop out like that. I told him that I get girls phone numbers because I actually ASK for them. I have never, ever gotten a girl by NOT trying to get her. Ok there was ONE drunk chick but that doesn't count, plus she was pretty wasted. I told my friend this and says I am going about everything wrong (I know that I'm not). He is single and chooses to get girls by "not looking" I really can't understand this as it makes no sense whatsoever.

What does a dj say to someone who says you only get girls when you aren't looking?

I understand his philosophy in a sense. If the girls SEE that you are trying to get in their pants or are desperate then NO they won't be interested. But I have yet to get a girl who I didn't make some effort towards picking up.
 

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I'd say, "It's amazing how the real men seem to not be looking more often." Just a general statement where the underlying meaning is to not be needy.

To equate this with sports, many people say to win a championship in something you have to get lucky sometimes. And I'd say, it's really funny how the teams with good players seem to get lucky a lot.
 

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DonS said:
I'm sensing a common theme here along with your prior thread.

Are you ever getting signals from girls that they want you to approach? Or do you just go out and randomly ask girls for their number? My guess is the latter from you post history.

Maybe what your friend is getting at is that going out to have fun and be social is when you are able to start noticing which girls want your attention; then when you approach them, your success rate goes way up.
I see what you mean. I pretty much approach randomly based on who I'm physically attracted to. I don't ever see signals that they want me to approach. In fact, I wish I did see signals like that, but as I've said in previous posts, I think I repel women on some level, I never get signals to come and approach.

Usually girls tend to look at me and look away, I rarely see signs of them wanting my attention. I get more looks overall than I used to get, but I still don't often get "that" look, the one that says "come hither".
 

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I got into it with a an intern at work about that. She was telling tall tale to this sad sack loser guy at work. Told him to quit looking. I usually don't give advice on women and pickup at work but I had to call shenanigans on that one. Here is what I told the kid.

"You only find someone when you are not looking is BS and is for females. Men are hunters, you go out and you live your life, but you are aware of prey. When you spot game you go after it. Deer don't run up to you and ask to be shot, you have to find them and shoot them. Keep waiting for a deer and see how long it takes for you to eat. Get a hair cut, dress well, and speak to people every where, men, women, old ladies, if you see a girl giving you a smile or the eye, go talk to her."

The three female interns all nodded in agreement. It's just a common phrase that people say and it means nothing.

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The other day I was trying to talk a friend into coming out with me to pickup. He responded with: "you don't find someone when you are looking, only when you stop looking"
Stop talking about women and pickup. I get the feeling that it's the focus of a lot of your conversations, working out this game out loud to people around you. You can always tell what a person is thinking by what they talk about all the time. Weak minded people will definitely do this. Blab on about what is consuming their thoughts when given a chance. You might be coming off as desperate.

Next time just ask your boy to come hang out, or come grab a drink, or ride with you to pick up something at the mall. Then if its game on while your out, go for it. Talk about him, or sports or whatever. He probably has other interest besides trying to help you get laid, especially if he has girl, or girls in his life. But you guys can just hang out where women are and when you see something you like go for it.
 
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If you want to argue the semantics of the phrase, then yes, you are correct.

It's not so much "looking" that you need to put a stop to...it's the compulsive need to FIND.
 

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"You only find someone when you aren't looking" = "A hungry dog doesn't get fed."

So stop "looking". Despite all the ways we try to "control" our destiny with women, it is one area where we seem to get further by letting go of the reigns. I dont mean this to say "Give up on approaching", but I just keep women and dating where they belong in the hierarchy of my life.

Or maybe that's just easy for me to say cause I'm really hot and they fall in my lap.
 

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SoylentGreen said:
"You only find someone when you aren't looking"

I am so sick of this phrase.
I despise this phrase as well. Well, if you only find someone when you are not looking then the best way to "not look" is to leave the house as little as humanly possible. Let's see how far that gets people.
 

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Well when most people aren't actively looking 95% of the time, of course it seems like they only find someone when they're not looking. Add to that when they do look they don't do so smoothly. I think most guys who meet a lot of women put a lot of effort into it.
 

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This kind of is true. When you are just out to have fun sprinkled with some sexuality, you will do a lot better sometimes. Sometimes you just feel like a sexual maniac who can get all the pvssy on the planet, but sometimes you just have to take your foot off the pedal and put it in cruise control. Be cool, relaxed, and have fun.
 

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Originally Posted by DonS
I'm sensing a common theme here along with your prior thread.

Are you ever getting signals from girls that they want you to approach? Or do you just go out and randomly ask girls for their number? My guess is the latter from you post history.

Maybe what your friend is getting at is that going out to have fun and be social is when you are able to start noticing which girls want your attention; then when you approach them, your success rate goes way up.



I see what you mean. I pretty much approach randomly based on who I'm physically attracted to. I don't ever see signals that they want me to approach. In fact, I wish I did see signals like that, but as I've said in previous posts, I think I repel women on some level, I never get signals to come and approach.

Usually girls tend to look at me and look away, I rarely see signs of them wanting my attention. I get more looks overall than I used to get, but I still don't often get "that" look, the one that says "come hither".
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking, DonS. I'm thinking that you, Soylent G, are not building enough comfort with the women you come across. You need to relax and have fun and not give a sh!t what they think about you. Just be at peace within yourself when you approach and conversate with a chick and make sure it doesn't matter, because it really doesnt. Just don't be tense and be nice to some extent. That's what building comfort is imo. You are being a strong and confident male who really doesn't care what she thinks, which means you don't accept her bad behavior, but at the same time you are not bothered by it.

You have to be friendly with strange women at first, so they don't feel threatened by you. They are humans first, then women. What I mean by that is you wouldn't want to be approached by some weird chick who you know will either be an embarrassment to you or will try to steal your wallet or cell phone when you are not paying attention. Just be you to when you approach. You will of course make mistakes that you will try not to make in the future and The You will change, but don't be paralyzed by the idea that you will make mistakes. They will come and so will understanding the more you make.

If at this point you are not a hard@ss, then don't act like one. Really. A lot of men try to act to alpha all the time, but you really don't have to do that when you are building comfort.

And another thing. You might want to lose the signature. You need to always be redefining yourself in life anyway, but besides that, don't put a timeframe on this. Forget about how long it's been really. The only one who is keeping track is you, and you know deep down this really doesn't matter that much. Grow as a person and a man and set goals, but don't beat yourself up when you fail. It's all part of journey. I'm almost to the point where I cherish failures, because I know that is what is making me better.

And yet another thing. Sexuality is such a crazy and immeasurable thing. Some women I am not wildly sexually attracted to at first, but when I get to know them better they start to turn me on. Far from what a lot of men want to believe, sexuality has a deeply personal and spiritual side to it. When you open up yourself to someone, you will find they become more sexually attractive to you. So you may not have that loud @ss alpha chick with her loud @ss party friends as your trophy, but who can still have meaningful, satisfying sexual encounters with beautiful women. I'm not saying sex with ugly chicks is gratifying, I'm just saying the flashy women are not always really that pretty and fulfilling when you get to know them. Sometimes the 6 and 7s can seem to be at times 8s and 9s. This is just a perspective I share at this time. You may not agree with this, but it's an interesting point to think about.

Be at peace within yourself. Enjoy your life.
 

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DonS said:
I'm sensing a common theme here along with your prior thread.

Are you ever getting signals from girls that they want you to approach? Or do you just go out and randomly ask girls for their number? My guess is the latter from you post history.

Maybe what your friend is getting at is that going out to have fun and be social is when you are able to start noticing which girls want your attention; then when you approach them, your success rate goes way up.

Going out and "having fun" build propinquity and mere exposure up, that's why when you're "in the zone" and having loads of fun sets seem to fly open. It boils down to having fun, working the room, and social proof/preselection. The nice thing is that I've learned recently that you can replicate the kind of success you'd have if you "stop looking and just have fun" by following AFC Adam's advice for social proof.

Here are some tips for building social proof via something known as the Mere- Exposure Effect.

This is the idea that merely sharing one or two warm interactions with someone will make them perceive you in a favourable light. More importantly, imagine walking around a room where you have shared these favourable experience with a number of people in the venue. As you walk around heads will be turning, people will be smiling at you, others will be noticing it. Your propinquity will be increasing tenfold with every person you speak to as the Mere-Exposure Effect travels around the room.

Suddenly you will find yourself in a situation where absolutely everyone in the room is favourable towards you. There will be no one you can't speak to and, if done correctly, a whole bunch of people will be wondering exactly who you are. This can happen in absolutely any location- from a train or bus to a top celebrity nightclub in the best part of town.

There are a number of different techniques that will help you with this.

You can see how with this it would be easy to move around staff in a venue and vibe with them in a nice way. But what about people who aren't predisposed to be nice to you? In these situation it's important to learn the different ways to get new people to be friendly towards you.

First off, don't worry if you get a negative reaction. You're playing a bigger game. People around you are unlikely to notice you receiving a bad reaction, mostly due to the fact that many people are polite in the rebuttals. So just make sure that you leave any interaction in the positive way possible.

A simple phrase such as;

"I'm so sorry to have upset you, I was only looking to have a conversation with someone new, I hope I havn't offended you and that you have a great night."

Naturally you would prefer to have a whole bunch of perfect interactions, but there's just no way of knowing whether a given interaction will always go well. Obviously, the more your mere exposure and propinquity you build up the better responses you will get. So the trick is trying to make sure the earlier ones go as well as possible until you have the required level of social proof to be able to vibe with the entire room.

There are a number of different ways to begin speaking to people. Whatever you decide to use ultimately, there are two things to bare in mind. 1) Try not to be threatening initially, and 2) try to add value to everyone you meet.

The first point is pretty self explanatory. After all, you're trying to have a number of positive interactions with those around you. The second may not be so self explanatory. When you go out for a party, or to do your shopping or whatever you want to do, you have a number of things planned in your head that you want to acheive, you do not want someone hassling you or preventing you from acheiving those things. Essentially you are not looking for someone to interfere or lower the value of what you are doing.

So bare this in mind when speaking to new people, value can be added in many ways, from adding fun and interesting conversation, to giving compliments, to just being the social hub of the party bringing that vibe to the people. Either way remember you're approaching them so try to be courteous, yet there's no harm in being fun and a bit flirtatious.

Remember you don't initially want to spend too much time talking to the people, esspecially if you are likely to be around for a while, i.e. in a restaurant, coffee shop, long journey or a nightclub. Allow the first interaction to end quickly, ideally on a positive high note, then you can move on talk to a few other people, and then go back to them later for an even better reaction.

With that in mind here are a number of quick ways to get some conversations started;

"Does this train lead to (insert destination here)...Thank you so much for that, I got on in such a rush I didn't bother checking"
"You know that food looks great, It's definately what I'd have normally. Though today I'm being brave, what should I try?"
"Is this the only dancefloor here?"
"Does it ever get busier here?"
"Wow I love that jacket, it really works with the handbag you have and everything. I had to stop you and tell you, it's rare to see someone accessorise so well"
"Why do crowds have to be so full of people? Wouldn't it be easier if this was just a private road? You could have that part, and I could have this bit"

These are all really simple ways of getting a small vibe going with the people around you. Then simply move around the area, having occasional conversations with people until eventually you have built up enough positive reactions that everyone in the room/area has been spoken to.

Then it is time to move back round and re-speak to the ones you want to actually have a conversation with and begin building some form of connection with them.

Building social proof can significantly improve your results in a single night! Which is why here is so much attention given to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propinquity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere_exposure_effect
 

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"You only find someone when you aren't looking"

"Yeah, I think I got that in a fortune cookie once"


This phrase is used for exactly the same reason people tell you "Just be yourself", they don't know what else to say, but it sounds like the right thing TO say.
 

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SoylentGreen said:
"You only find someone when you aren't looking"

I am so sick of this phrase. I need some good comebacks to it. The other day I was trying to talk a friend into coming out with me to pickup. He responded with: "you don't find someone when you are looking, only when you stop looking"
I think I first saw some variation of this on SS (by Rollo). Try...

"The harder I work, the luckier I seem to get"

...anytime I hear someone sitting on their arse or trying to justify not doing anything to be happy or who truly believe zero or near zero effort will result in big payoffs - I just give them some version of the line above. They look at you funny because there is not one worthwhile thing they can say to counter it.

Ironically, here's what they probably know and think at a subconscience level

"It always seems as if I meet someone [desireable / interesting / mysterious / fun] when I'm not expecting to"

...but socio/media programming is so strong they instead parrot the line you despise because it's grown into a excuse, a rationalization/justification for their current state. Plus that statement wreaks of unhealthy expectations.
 

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DonS said:
You are either missing the subtle signals, or you aren't displaying very much value. You say you get more looks now than you used to; why is that? What about you improved that made you more attractive to females? Continuing to improve yourself will yield even more girls choosing you.

I used to never have girls choosing me. But as I lost weight, built my muscles in the gym, wore better clothes and made more money, I would notice more and more girls choosing me. And after a girl has chosen you, getter her number is a given.

I don't get the strong come hither look very often. I actually got it last night but screwed it up because I was drunk. Idiot.

Thanks guys for all the insight.

What I have done to get me more looks from women is improve my physical appearance:
-I used to walk with my shoulders inward and my head facing down now my shoulders are back and my head is held high.
-I used to wear only black now I have an array of colourful clothes to choose from.
-I used to be (and am kind of still) thin and I have gained about 9 lbs. and am still working on gaining another 20 or so. Plus, I quit smoking.
-I used to have a bald spot and now I just shave my whole head.
-I keep my hands out of my pockets and let the hang comfortably.
-The biggest thing I have done is work on my eye contact and my gaze, trying to keep it friendly, non-threatening and confident

Basically, I have worked on my confidence, body language and posture and my attire. I am more conscious of what I wear and I am eating healthier and working out so I am more physically fit. I actually look waaaay better than I used to and I am aware of more girls looking, which is nice.

I guess like DonS says I should just continue on improving and soon even more girls will be looking. But, in the meantime while I am improving myself, my life will actually be getting better in ALL areas so its a win-win situation.

I think the common theme to my threads can be interpreted as a lack of patience...this is what I should add to my "to-do" list. And yes, maybe I am missing a lot of subtle signals...this is definitely something worth considering because I am surely displaying high value...
Cheers!
 

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Men are always looking. Its when you truly and utterly do not give a fvck if you pick up or not that you will exude that unmistakable confidence that women find so attractive.
I akin bad pua's to bad poker players, always looking to be in every pot, thinking this is when I am going to draw the flush or full boat on the river. Funny thing, when they finally get a pair of bullets in the hole, they then try and play conservative and end up getting beat. When you get your aces - go all in and get rid of the others trying to limp in.
 
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