Debtors slavery...for kids?

[Teflon_Mcgee]

We had a lengthy discussion about this at work today. Here's my take on this:

Once upon a time if a man and woman have sex and the baby is born, both parties are equally responsible since they share the responsibility of it's creation. This paradigm no longer exists with abortion and the day after pill being available. Women now make the decision to have a child with or without the man's consent. Yes, both are responsible for pregnancy, but that's as far as a man's responsibility goes as pregnancy not longer equates to having a child. A decision must be made. Yes abortion is an elective procedure, but so is pregnancy! That's the difference today and it's a topic nobody seems to have explored. Now women make the unilateral decision to have the child or abort. As the sole decision maker in this process I believe women should have sole responsibility for the outcome of that decision if they choose to have the baby, just as a woman does if she goes to a sperm bank. The only difference in this scenario is the method of insemination! If a woman chooses to have an abortion then the man should be responsible for 50% of the cost as that's as far as his obligation goes.

As a firm believer in equality, I do not hold with the status quo that if a woman becomes pregnant she has the option to become a mother, but men do not have a choice whether to become a father. Instead of forcing men into indebted slavery for 216 months, my suggestion is to treat men who would be forced into fatherhood against their will as inadvertent sperm donors. Give them all protections and legal shelters that a sperm donor would be afforded. This is essentially what they've become once the woman decides to have a child against a man's will. If a man wants to be the child's father then he should pay his fair share of the child's care & upbringing. Make social programs that would encourage men to want to stick around and all that, as well as provide ample opportunity and availability of abortions and birth control as well as solid sex ed courses in schools.

If women did not have mandatory child support I suspect there would be far less children born out of wedlock. Furthermore, women would no longer be able to get knocked up to lock a guy into a relationship as many do today.

This argument is flawed though.

Just as you have no control over a broad having your baby, I have no control over you IMPREGNATING the broad.

What does this mean?

It means when you stick it in some broke ho* from the club and she has a baby then I have to pay for it. Through medicaid, WIC, wellfare, etc....

The kid is payed for by society.

I agree that if a women doesn't want to get pregnant she won't. And that means that if a chick gets pregnant it is HER fault.

BUT

Your sperm makes that kid so you better be paying for it before I (society) does. An unplanned pregnancy with a ONS might suck for you but YOU could have prevented it.


P.S. In my 13 years since puberty I've managed not to have kids. It's really not hard.

 

[Nutz]

You missed the point. Pregnancy is equally shared responsibility. Having a child is not. Now the only person who makes the decision, one way or another, is the woman. She makes the decision, she should shoulder the responsibility. When a woman has a child against a man's will, he's an unwilling sperm donor from that point forward. Treat the situation just as if she'd gone to a sperm bank. The only thing that is different is the method of insemination. End of story.

There might be a bunch of bastards born in the short term, but guess what people will start doing when they don't have a free ride (child support) to rely on? They'll start being more responsible for their actions. Whether that means they keep their legs closed, use birth control, or get abortions is up to them.

My idea to strip forced child support away will cause less unwanted kids being born, or at least put up for adoption. We don't need welfare queens and this would be a good step in the right direction towards eliminating them.

 

[jonwon]

Why blame the guy?

These woman spread their legs open and allowed that man to fill there hot wet snatches with love juice, knowing full well it could make them pregnent.

Always seems to be the mans fault and woman are just the 'victim'.

 

[Da Realist]

I'm far from believing women are just innocent victims, but men are just to blame. The problem is that the system is screwed up. Women can now do a lot of stuff on their end to prevent pregnancy, but the laws are set up for when it was only the guy who could easily prevent pregnancy by putting on a condom. It still doesn't the guy off the hook though because men know what can happen if they sleep with the wrong woman but still do stupid stuff. I almost think shotgun weddings need to come back just to punish both sides. Hell, if a woman hates your guts that much or think a guy is nothing more than a means to easy living, it would drive her up the wall to have to cook dinner for the guy till the kid is grown. If a guy knocks up a woman who he doesn't intend to stay with, he get his too. The sad thing though is that through all of this, the kid is a victim. They say the terrorists are in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., but I think we have enough here with divorce lawyers, pro-abortion folks, anti-abortion folks, and no good parents.

 

[SXS]

Conclusion : Use a condom and whatever else you have. Or you are the one ending up screwed...

 

[Da Realist]

^^^Pretty much.